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Kaimi

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FFRK Events: Silver milestone reached Edit

Twenty-five challenges down, a crap-ton more to go. Whew!

Anyway, I was wondering if you could help review those pages and make sure the summary stories line up with the real games on which they're based. As time permits, of course. These were written mostly from my own memory of playing each game. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 20:26, September 10, 2016 (UTC)

TabbersEdit

Thank you Kaimi, that suggestion looks very good. By the way, do you want that I add anchors too to every FFAB edit?
TTFan from JP (talk) 02:14, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

FFRK character list redesign: Suggestions? Edit

Techno's absolutely swamped, and I'm not a coder. So, maybe you can help.

What needs to happen on the character pages is this: KILL THE TABBERS!!! Characters from the more recognized games in the series are getting jammed up to the point where these tabber things are almost unworkable, and they cause rendering issues on mobile. Please, save the integrity of the lists!

Anyway, I think the List of Final Fantasy Record Keeper characters/Final Fantasy XI page would be a fairly good place to try something. I'm positively stumped! Thanks! Swordzmanp236 (talk) 00:51, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

What about this one? Original and edited (again).
Character Equipment Abilities Acquisition Memory Crystal
FFRK Shantotto
Shantotto
Lady of Legend
Weapon Types: Dagger, Rod, Staff
Armor Types: Hat, Robe, Bracer
Black Magic 5★
Monk 4★

Main Game:
Waughroon Shrine Classic
First Time Reward

Event:
Discord and Harmony (Chaos):
Garland
First Time Reward

Event:
Discord and Harmony (Chaos):
Golbez
First Time Reward

Event:
Discord and Harmony (Chaos):
Kuja
First Time Reward


Character Equipment Abilities Acquisition Memory Crystal
FFRK Shantotto
Shantotto
Lady of Legend
Weapon Types: Dagger, Rod, Staff
Armor Types: Hat, Robe, Bracer
Black Magic 5★
Monk 4★
TTFan from JP (talk) 03:11, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Not bad. I'd like to show the numbers and letters so that we have a sense of time, somewhat. Copies of the Memory Crystal 1 are almost a dime a dozen. The 2's are usually one of a kind. See what you can do, kid. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 03:19, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Edited again a bit, placed tabbers numbers in front of titles. Letters can fit there them too of course. Let's see if we get green light on this one, otherwise to use divs or semicolons (the result should be pretty much the same on small screens) will just stretch the table a lots downward.
TTFan from JP (talk) 04:58, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Gettin' warmer. Let me tweak the right side a bit to give you an idea. The Acquisition column could follow that. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 05:23, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
What about to short "Memory Crystal" into "M.C. I" or "MC I"? Another option is to change width percentage but the result may be different on different screens. If you wanna experiment there is the same section into my SandBox, I don't mind.
TTFan from JP (talk) 05:57, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
OK. I've just cut it to the Roman numerals. What then could be done with the left column is as follows: Split by Main Game, Event, Wardrobe Record, Bonus Quest, and Special, the last two being somewhat deprecated. We then have to alter the legend on the main page to offer a solid overview of the new design. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 06:09, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
So, if I understood correctly, Acquisition will have up to 5 collapsed section while Memory Crystal 2 or more as new crystal levels will be released, right? If it is this the case then no need to reduce titles I think. Sorry but I'm not playing the game so I can do not much other than just replacing code.
TTFan from JP (talk) 09:05, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

Gosh... You've been awfully productive on my talk page. But tossing that aside... In my opinion it should look something like this:

Character Abilities Acquisition Memory Crystal
FFRK Shantotto
Shantotto
(Lady of Legend)
5★ Black Magic
4★ Monk
Weapon Types: Dagger, Rod, Staff
Armor Types: Hat, Robe, Bracer

Do not forget quotation marks in coding. Game announcement uses the format "#★ <Ability Type Name>" so we should follow it. Since we are talking sprites, their width should be one of the following three values: 32px, 64px, or the default one, otherwise they look foggy. Story roles should be put in round brackets; I believe we already do it with the Brave Exvius character lists. Also less columns is generally better, especially for mobile since the screens are usually small (despite them growing like crazy!).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:07, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

You come out with a very well all-round solution, I definitely like it. The only problem is that I don't know how many hundreds records already exist, but our man maybe won't survive this edit, ehm... Well, I'm going back to my routine.
TTFan from JP (talk) 11:40, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Impressive! The middle games are probably the messiest, so your proposal will be most impactful on those pages. See what you can do. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 15:43, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

FFRK: Feedback on proposed layout change Edit

The FF XI page worked out great. New look doesn't collapse on mobile, but it does resolve a huge pet peeve of mine: not displaying proper sequence numbers while stacking the data. The proposal does display those. I've got the Final Fantasy page ready to insert the data. You may fire when ready. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 20:03, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

The mobile skin is very faulty IMO so don't except anything to look good on it. Also, please be more faithful to the app display: "(Lady of Legend / Offensive Magic)" looks way better than "Lady of Legend<line break>(Off. Mag.)" and is the display used in one of the windows in the game. Also, I haven't agreed to updating the character list articles, have I?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:36, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
OK. I tend to take shortcuts so as to avoid word wrap in certain columns/rows of tables. To me, that just looks bleugh! when you're trying to fit lots of data into a really cramped space. The sponsor ads don't help matters much, but nobody can ever get rid of those, lest Wikia sits behind a paywall or some such. Ideally, I want also to minimize flick-scrolling on mobile AND make things look nice on a 13-inch screen, but a middle ground between the two? Almost none. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 21:15, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
(18 September): I'd like you to take a look at tweaking the character column and widening it a percent point or two. I'm concerned that once we get to job roles as "Master of Magic" and "Physical/Magic Hybrid", the punctuation takes enough room to make the overall appearance just that little bit funky. This is going to get scary, again, if we go to the middle games (IV-IX). Lots of hybrids in that bunch. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:12, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

As the person who designed the FFRK character tables in the first place, i hope you don't mind if I give some suggestions. The current issues you face with tabber are also my fault, since I was the one who put them there. For the sake of mobile users, tabber has to go, but I don't think the replacement should "compromise" on the desktop experience either. Especially with tables, form is as important as substance.. so theres a few things I'd like to draw attention to.

  1. getting rid of redundancies or fluff. if certain things are understood by the reader, then they shouldn't be stated much less repeated, so theres absolutely no need to put "Innate" before abilities (and its also not an official term afaicr).
  2. deliver information that the user needs first, then whatever you think the user wants. Given the rolling nature of events in RK, anything that is no longer offered to the player is no longer useful to them - not something they need to know - so it almost doesn't matter how pretty the info for past events is, because people won't concern themselves with it.

So my suggestion really is to prioritize information that users can utilize. Also, I'd recommend using Foot instead of collapsibles, if at all. If im not wrong they have the same effect in mobile, which is to display everything. Alternatively, lose the details - do people REALLY need to know what stage of a 1 year old event that they can no longer do that something came from? that would just be documenting for the sake of it (read: not worth it) . I would probably make it look something like this

Character Abilities Acquisition Memory Crystal
FFRK Tidus
Tidus
Guardian
Physical Speed
(Wardrobe Record
FFRK Tidus A Fleeting Dream
A Fleeting Dream
)
4★ Combat
3★ Support
5★ Celerity
Record Sphere
(if any)


Waughroon Shrine Classic
First Time Reward
(as an example)
OR
Hall of Rites
(Past Events
Pre-registration Reward
Bonus Quest
Operation Mi'ihen
Defying Fate
Destiny's Path
)

MC I
Hall of Rites
(Past Events
Operation Mi'ihen
Defying Fate
Destiny's Path
)


MC II
Hall of Rites

Weapon Types: Dagger, Sword, Thrown, Blitzball
Armor Types: Shield, Hat, Helm, Light Armor, Heavy Armor, Bracer

cleaner without the "show" buttons, important information is clearer and immediately available, no clutter from useless info. my 2 gil--Arciele Spira (talk) 05:23, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Except there is a problem with the footnote template as well. In Mercury (the default mobile skin), the footnote tends to run together with the thing noted; there isn't proper space between the two. It doesn't collapse. Everything just mashes together in very odd ways. We may not be able to do much of anything until Wikia does something to fix its faults. I'm not even an admin or staff, but I have experience in bug reporting.
That being said, the info you're planning to omit is the same as on the official wiki. I do think we can continue to present it—all of it—in a much cleaner fashion. That's really what I want to push for. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 06:37, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
Looks I lost a piece, nice to meet you Arciele. If there is a proper list of "Past Events" and "Wardrobe Record" then would be possible to turn foot into link, do it sounds bad?
TTFan from JP (talk) 11:33, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
@Swordzmanp236> if you want to present all of it, all the more I'd recommend Footer over collapsibles. for a new user going into the page, they'd be like.. uh which collapsible do i open? or there are simply so many. its just not intuitive design. Somehow both work as intended on my phone, but if Footer doesn't collapse i'd have assumed that adding < br > would fix it (which is why i used it in case it doesnt). displaying everything is your choice really, tho it seems like more effort for less utility. maybe someone out there will appreciate it as a resource.
@TTFan> well met. Sorry I'm not sure I understand what you said. If the character pages are updated then you could just use that? otherwise the official RK wiki would be a good place to start.--Arciele Spira (talk) 18:28, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not playing FFRK and I don't know how much this wikia covers about it. I was just thinking that info you placed in foot code maybe are redundant info already available somewhere else. If is that so and if we are lucky enough, maybe we can replace the foot code with just a link (with anchors) to the right place. But then I minded that most likely, even if those pages exist, the only place where info are grouped by character is here in this list. So forget of that. By the way, should we move to a better place? I suggest that Man creates a new sandbox under his account so we can drop everything there.
TTFan from JP (talk) 06:57, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Hello Kaimi, me and Man went a bit forward into "List of FFRK characters" talk page. If you please to take a look at there and into my SandBox too, we are in need of technical/style feedbacks.
TTFan from JP (talk) 09:40, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

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