Template talk:Weapons

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Just want to make two points:

• Since I made this template, I get to decide what the colors are, unless it conflicts substanially with another template.
• I am unsure about where to place several weapons, such as the Mako Gun and the Souba, in the "Weapon Classes" or the "Specific Weapons" section, so someone who has played VII and watched Advent children can sort that out.

8bit BlackMage 22:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Henryacores - You don't need a reason to help people TALK - {{{time}}} Basically, I think you should only refer recurring weapons and weapon classes, the rest stays in weapon lists. Every game should have it's weapon list too: I can add them to the template. RoF weapon list should be merged with CC weapon list: Spin-offs, same weapons? - Whatever, they share the title.

Henryacores - You don't need a reason to help people TALK - {{{time}}} Awnser me man! The Weapon template should refer recurring weapons too and I don't see any recurring staff, claw, rod, bow, axe or harp! The Mako Gun and The Souba only show up on a movie on the series and I don't think they're important enough to be featured on the template. The should be either on a list of Guns\Katanas and on their game's list of weapons - in this case, Final Fantasy VII.

Contents 1 Crowded 2 Another specific weapon 3 Cleaning up this template 4 Re-organizing 5 Amount of Appearances

[edit] Crowded

Drake Clawfang - You've got guts. I like that in a victim. TALK - 06:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC) Admittedly thanks to me in part, the Weapons template is becoming crowded. Hey, FF recycles a lot of names, you know this. So I was thinking we split "Specific Weapons" into "Specific Weapons" for unique and iconic weapons like the Buster Sword and Gunblade, etc, and "Recurring Weapons", for, well, recurring weapons.

Hëxed (Flonne Fanboy) - <Otherarrow> She helps them die and join Odin's hordes, of course! - Talk - Contribs Love is an act of blood / and I'm bleeding | 0 times = Smeyer + Paolini {{{time}}} Do such.

[edit] Another specific weapon

Coeur du Lion Bleu - "Be careful, dear friend, lest you fall into the endless ocean of stars..." - 水風死 TALK - Has cold feet. Do you think we should put the Cerberus on this, since we have everyone else's specific weapon? Or is it here and I just don't see it?

[edit] Cleaning up this template

Though this is a very informative and much-needed template, I feel that it could be cleaned up a little bit.

• Several of the "Specific Weapons" are not really notable, or could easily be merged into other articles. I know this isn't Wikipedia or anything, but putting Femme Fatale, a two-sentence article with a little infobox, into this template only serves to clutter it up. As well, some of the FFXII weapons (Zodiac Spear, Yagyu Darkblade, Tournesol and a few others) aren't really all that important besides being "ultimate" weapons that are hard to get.
• There's far too many Recurring Weapons. It might not be a bad idea to remove some of the articles in the template, or merge them into more general articles: for example, the Katana article could hold all of the recurring Katanas, or perhaps make a "Recurring Katana" article with infoboxes for each weapon.
• The "Weapon Classes" section contains both classes of the same weapon (Swords, Bows, Axes, etc.) and types of different weapons with the same prefix (Mythril Equipment, Flame Equipment, etc). I can see why these were put together, but it may not be a bad idea to add in a "Types of weapons", similar to the Armor template.
• I have placed the Sealed Weapons, Celestial Weapons and Mythic Weapons articles under the Specific Weapons header. I felt that this represented them better.

If nobody has any objections, I will make these changes myself, but I'll wait for a few days to see if anyone else has any other ideas. WarxePB 23:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't like any of your ideas in general, specially the second, which in my opinion is ridiculous. I do think that the last point is clever though, and I don't really see a need in the third, since the section, as it was originally called "Weapon Types" pretty much covered everything, but a change could be done. I've said my point. - Henryacores^ 00:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

8bit BlackMage - Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum TALK - Desiderium peccatorum peribit- 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC) EDIT CONFLICT: Yeah, articles like Femme Fatale probably shouldn't even exist. Tournesol I would keep, it appears in TA2 as well. Are you suggesting that articles like Murasame and Asura (Weapon) should be scrapped and fused into one article called "Recurring Katanas" I think that's a bit too much, the Katana page itself lists a few of the recurring weapons. Also, it's good to link to recurring weapons such as those. How could you not have an article devoted to the Masamune? ._. The thing is, how would you find a word to discern between types of weapons as in "form and shape", i.e Spear/Bow/Axe, and "Element/Materia;", such as Bronze/Gold/Flame? It's kind of a good idea, but I'm not sure how to split it up with wording. That part of the template isn't too crowded anyway. Lulz, last year I forgot to answer Henry on the issue at the top of the page. o.o

Xenomic TALK - 00:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Ok, my input: 1) I can agree with this. I've noticed this with some other templates, such as the Accessory template, that has Bastok Ring that is pretty worthless to even keep around to begin with. I was actually thinking of purging the template myself of unworthy things like those. 2) I don't know about this one. Granted, there MAY be too many, but take a look at some other temnplates, and you'll see they're just as crowded (Magic Template anyone?). 3) Hmm....8Bit already has this one. 4) That's fine by me too ^^

So I edited the template. Other categories for the "Specific and Recurring Sets" could include Crystal and Gold, as there were a few mentions of Crystal Swords and Golden Axes (respectively) in the weapon lists, though I'll let you guys sort that out. Also, I took out the Femme Fatale (and am going to nominate that page for deletion), but left pretty much everything else intact. I realize that my suggestion of merging non-notable recurring weapons into one page sort of defeats the purpose of having a Recurring Weapons section, so again I'll let you guys deal with that. Otherwise, hopefully it looks better. 24.78.39.15 00:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Imp Halberd and Onion Swords are the only appearances of Imp and Onion Equipment as weapons so they get a link on specific and recurring weapons. Also, Femme Fatale was added, since this is not wikipedia and we don't promote deletionism. - Henryacores^ 01:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re-organizing

I suggest we re-organize some of the pages here.

Yagyu Darkblade, Wyrmhero Blade, Impartisan, Sagittarius, - single weapon in a single game, not notable. Delete these.

"Zantetsuken" - the page says its a weapon, an ability, a summon attack, so why is it on this template? Retool as an Ability page and add to the Summon template like Hellfire and Mega Flare, and to the Enemy Ability template.

Souba, Dual Hound, Velvet Nightmare, Femme Fatal - Not sure about these, they're signature weapons but they all have only one appearance in one game/movie. Not sure if they warrant their own pages, especially since they all only have like, one or two paragraphs each.

Sword of Kings, Treaty Blade, Mythgraven Blade - only come from one game each, but are important to the plot and are somewhat signature weapons. I'm thinking keep these as is, but am not sure.

Fixed Dice - their damage calculation formula is important, but the weapon isn't notable enough for its own page. Still, we shouldn't just vape the content. Suggestions?

Materia Blade - recurring, move to the Recurring section.

Well, there's my thoughts. Drake Clawfang 05:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Many pages nominated for deletion, many others moved around on the template. Drake Clawfang 02:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Etymology saves pages, methinks. The acquiring section for XII weapons seems to be useful as a general page filler as well. Well... I suppose you could do that for nearly every Loot-intensive XII item... hmm. 8bit 03:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. There's a lot of Bazaar items that require rare loot, but we don't have pages for them. We do have the Bazaar page itself, which lists the Loot items needed to unlock a purchase, and the Loot page which tells you where to acquire them. Drake Clawfang 03:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The Yagyu Darkblade, however, did have a rather long list of methods to obtain required Loot. The Etymology is also a clincher. I'll go over some of these VFDd pages and see. Also, when you VFD a page, leave the existing info there if the page isn't vandalism/spam, please. 8bit 03:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Must fulfill one of these two requirements:

• Three appearances.
• Plot-important.

In the case of films, I'd give it a page if it's a rather unique weapon. So, Souba.  ILHI ^(W/B) 12:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Amount of Appearances

Xenomic TALK - 22:03, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Alright, so I think it's safe to say that the bare minimum amount of appearances (not including sequels) for a weapon to have its own article would be either 4 or 5 right now. Of course, I'll leave that up to you guys, but I think that's a reasonable amount, since Armor has 4 as its minimum amount of appearances