Template talk:Summons

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Contents 1 Horizontal? 2 Colours 3 Revenant Wings 4 TA 5 Yummy. 6 Ivalice Summons 7 Summon Abilities

[edit] Horizontal?

Is there any way we can give these templates a more horizontal feel? Crazyswordsman 23:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but in this case, it is a bad idea, since another template, which includes a picture, is depending on this one to remain the way it is. And to put it simply, trying to stretch out a template to 100%, when it includes a picture, is just plain stupid. The entire purpose of having "side bars" is allow the user to see, and have access to, related articles, without having to scroll down to the bottom of the page. In some instances, it is an advantage to have a 100% width template at the buttom, but that is usually for relatively short articles, where the template is just a list of names (meaning no images) relating to only one thing, that isn't divided by game. In another sence, this template, nor Template:Summon fall under the category of templates that should be stretched to 100% and put at the buttom. They should remain Side bars. --Hecko X 10:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colours

I think some colors on this would be nice. Since it is so gargantuan on a page on which it has been used. Yes. --Auron Kaizer 22:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm open to suggestions --Lycentia

Also, edit the lnik for Chocobo, or something. In some games, it's not just a Chocobo, like in FFVII, it's Choco/mog.--Puck Udroc 00:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revenant Wings

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 17:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC) Check here for all the summons in Revenant Wings. As I thought, a lot of summons are now bumped up to recurring because of it, although some I've still to move until I get more news (like Tonberry and Bomb). It's interesting to note that Zeromus and Adramellech aren't in Revenant Wings, technically making them the only non-recurring summons from FFXII (but since RW is part of FFXII, I'm not bumping them to Recurring).

Ser Blue says at 17:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC) Questions: 1. Who are Sagittarius and Aquarius? 2. So Cu Sith is a Summon? 3.Isn't Shemhazai represented by Sagittarius? 4. Isn't Famfrit represented by Aquarius? 5. 51 summons is a lot of summons (not a question i know)

[edit] TA

Lycentia - Veni, Vidi, Visa I Came, I Saw, I Shopped - 18:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC) Shouldn't we add the Totema to this?

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 18:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC) There's debate whether they're summons in the tradtional sense. The Totema already have their own exclusive template too.

[edit] Yummy.

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC) It feels soooooo good...

Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 02:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Hooray for collapsible templates! Why does this feel like the dawning of a new era to me? Weird... O_o The templates are still awesome, though! ^_^

Lycentia - Veni, Vidi, Visa I Came, I Saw, I Shopped - 02:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Now if only we could get some of the tables of contents to do that too. ^_^

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 12:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Should I go ahead and apply it to other templates, like the FFVI and XII ones, both giants compared to this one.

[edit] Ivalice Summons

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 10:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC) To make life easier, mostly due to FFXII, RW and FFTA2, I've put all the Ivalice exclusive summons under the one banner. So while Belias is recurring, he's only recurring in the world of Ivalice. Thoughts?

[edit] Summon Abilities

With pages like Mega Flare, Zantetsuken and Big Bang floating around, should we create a section for summon abilities?  ILHI ^(W/B) 22:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

 ILHI ^(W/B) 15:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds resonable. Diablocon 15:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. - Henryacores^ 16:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Xenomic TALK - 03:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC) I'm also curious if we shouldn't have a "List of Summons" articles for each game as well, seeing as we have one for spells, items, enemy abilities, and so forth?

16:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC) —W/B List of Summons suffices. There aren't as many summons in a game as there is spell/items/enemy abilities.

Just a note for this, future pages for Summon Abilities should be limited to abilities that are used in some capacity beyond the summon's attack. Like, Zantetsuken and Mega Flare are examples where the ability has a profile beyond the summon that uses it, but an ability like say, Rebirth Flame, does not have such a profile. And if we create pages for abilities with no role beyond a summon's attack, the pages will just end up reiterating the same information as the summon pages. Drake Clawfang 04:15, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Xenomic TALK - 04:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Agreed. I like the idea of that, since it is useful.

09:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC) —W/B Disagrees. Although the pages are always monotonous, THEY HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AS SPELL PAGES. Fire is always a weak fire-elemental spell. Yeah. Judgment Bolt is always a powerful lightning-elemental spell. The things that change are MP costs. And we can add those, I didn't. Although, summon abilities can talk about which summon uses it. There are two summons which have Judgment Bolt. So, yeah, disagrees.

You miss my point, ILHI. An ability like Zantetsuken is both a summon attack, an enemy attack and on occasions a weapon and an ability for the party. But something like Rebirth Flame (Phoenix), or Earth Wall (Golem), has no such role, it's a summon's attack and that's all it is. They have no significance outside the summon, and if we were to create a Rebirth Flame page, it would likely end up being a list of "in this game, Phoenix Rebirth Flame revives all party members" - ie, just reiterating what Phoenix's page already says, simply with a narrative focus on the attack instead of the summon. Drake Clawfang 19:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 11,520   -   "A man who's lost his pride can never be free.": Yeah, but they are recurring, such as Mega Flare because is the signature attack of that summon and adding a description is a good idea but not in the template.

20:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC) —W/B Talkboxes are annoying because you can't use the colon format to show who you're replying to. @Drake: YES! I try to create articles that are enemy abilities and summon abilities. Therefore a true parent. So I created Chef's Knife and Big Bang. Not because they were summon abilities, but because they were AS WELL. And then I created Hellfire because it was a summon attack and appeared elsewhere. And then I created Diamond Dust because it was a counterpart, and Judgment Bolt because it's the third one. Judgment Bolt is the summon attack of Ramuh AND and Ivalice summon. That's good, isn't it? Really, I hoped for more, but Ramuh doesn't appear in Crisis Core, or FFX/X-2. Which means he misses out on the enemy abilities. Still. I want to create a "Rebirth Flame" article. Probably a little redundant with the Phoenix article, but Phoenix appears in Crisis Core, so I assume his attack is Rebirth Flame there. I'll look into it and make a decision based off the variety. I still think it should be made though. We have a page for Big Bang and Chef's Knife, but not for the more popular ones.

20:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC) —W/B Also, note, one benefit of these articles is PEOPLE ACTUALLY RECOGNISE WHAT THE SUMMON ABILITIES ARE CALLED IN EACH GAME. I expect to know all of their attack names by looking at the summon articles, BUT I DON'T.