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I don't think this template is practical. There are games with more than 3 levels of elemental magic, and I'm almost certain that dispel is black magic in some games. --TacticAngel 04:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that it should be redone. Many of the spells are now in different categories; ie the status spells (sleep, blind, silence) are now known as Arcane Magic, while protect and shell are Green Magic. Do we go with what is traditional or the classes in FFXII? --SmegHead 06:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I say just list the same spell twice, under two different titles. It's the easiest way of doing it wihtout causing headaches. Diablocon 15:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well Green Magic and Arcane Magic only exist in FFXII. We'll have to wait and see what happens next. --Crazyswordsman 15:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I added them for the hell of it, but the real trouble is Blue Magic. Should it only list the more famous ones, like 1000 Needles and Level 5 Death? Diablocon 15:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think we start running into "which is better" especially with templates like this. I mean I think Final Fantasy XII, for all its glory, has some wild categories for magic. I just don't really go for it, but who is to say it is any less worth-while than all of the stuff that came before it. I verified that Dispel is indeed Black Magic in Final Fantasy XI, which if I was more with it, I would have been able to remember being a 75RDM considering I know its Darkness aligned and at the end of the list, and Black Magic always displays beneath White Magic... not fascinating... I know... --TacticAngel 17:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Really Annoying
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| TacticAngel
TALK - 05:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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| Thoughts:
- What is level 2 strategic magic?
- This template is completely bias. It should be fixed of deleted.
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| Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 06:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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| Answers:
- Stuff like Protectga and Haste 2
- Biased how? And don't say towards the early games because it isn't. Do the early games have Water? Didn't think so. Did the early games call it Esuna? Didn't think so.
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| TacticAngel
TALK - 10:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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| Rebuttle:
- Protectga isn't a level 2 magic. Its effects are not greater than Protect. Its a multi-target level 1 magic as far as I know. Protect II would be a level 2 magic, and yes, it does exist in some games (along with III, IV, and V).
- The idea of arcane or green magic is exclusively limited to Final Fantasy XI.
- I don't care if its called Esuna. I don't care if Erase is there or not.
And what is Regen doing in time magic? Regen is almost always, if not always, a white magic spell. Its not even time magic in the majority of games where there are Time Mages. Its only listed as time magic in V and... well V... thats the end all be all.
For the record, I approve more of the shotgun approach to multicategorizing things... Its not like this template is going to look a lot more unmanagable.
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| StijnX - Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde
TALK - There are no flowers no not this time
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| Arcane and Green Magic reppears in XII, well it's Magick but still.... IMO the template is fine. Just my $0.02
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| Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants
11:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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| We could split it up into individual templates, such as Template:Black Magic, Template:White Magic, etc. And if a spell has changed type during it's time in FF, it gets representation in both places. Then, we only add the template of whatever type the spell in the article is, like for cure, we only add the Template:White Magic, but for stuff like Regen, we'd add Template:White Magic AND Template:Time Magic. Get what I mean?
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| Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks
TALK - 14:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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| I agree with Hecko, it would let us make huge templates dedicated to one type of magic, since there are tons of White Magic spells through the series. Also, would Red Magic get one, since it does have some exclusive spells in FFXI?
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| TacticAngel
TALK - 03:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
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| There is no such thing as Red Magic in FFXI. All magic is either White, Black, or Blue Magic (plus Summons, Ninjitsu, Songs, and Rolls). Red Mage spells are divided (relatively) equally between White and Black magic. Red Mage exclusive spells are one or the other too (IE: Dispel and Bio III are Black magic while Phalanx and Dia III are White).
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[edit] Cure V et Cetera
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| TacticAngel
TALK - 00:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
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| I'm not sure what to do about Cure II, Cure III, Cure IV, and Cure V. All exist in FFXI. Clearly they all deserve to exist in this template. I have a feeling its going to go under the dumby 2,3,4, and V, but thats going to be retarded. At the same time, if do '/ma "Cure 5" <t>' you'll get an error message.
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[edit] Fixing Template
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| Xenomic
TALK - 05:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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| Alright, I'm going to remove the FFVII and FFVIII part of the template. Why? Because they're covered on the other templates, and I don't really see any reason to have them here when they're in their respective places. ^^;;
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[edit] Pain, Apocalypse, Comet, Comet2, Shield, Demi2....
Shouldn't we move these to their appropriate templates, such as Time Magic for Comet, Comet2, and Demi2, so on and so forth? Or is there really no other place to put them? Reason I ask is I don't see Resist here at all, even though it would more than likely be here.... Xenomic 07:47, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
