Template talk:FFVIIcompl

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BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Okay, I just opened up a huge can of worms by adding in "Important Recurring Characters". So let's lay down a few rules about what that means: The Character must appear in at least four of the five FFVII games. Preferably they would appear in all of them. The Character must be the central or most important hero, love interest (that means both Tifa and Aerith, so don't start up that debate again), and/or villain in at least one of the games. Can we all agree on that?

19:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Important character is someone who effects the Story. So someone like the head of Shin-Ra, either father or son sounds fitting to me. Someone having a great affect on the Story sounds good. Four out of five is too much... and AC isn't a game. But I won't complain. Just Genesis wasn't present in AC because he had no relevance to the events of AC -- he appeared in CC and DoC because he had relevance... and he didn't appear in BC because of no relevance. He would have appeared in Nibelheim Incident flashbacks in FFVII if Square planned the entire compilation beforehand. Relevance eh. Annoying. But I won't complain -- I don't care about this template. On another note; don't you think its weird, that the two most hated protagonists of FFVII, Cait Sith and Yuffie, appear in all five? Yet they are just joke characters and play no important role?

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Coinsidently all the names I figured to be most important are actually the same people whom Wikipedia have given their own articles. That's weird.

16:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC) Is that because they are teh importantests!!1! Or you wikip'd it, I don't know. Anyway, the people who should be considered (and added if and when you decide to): Genesis Rhapsodos Professor Hojo Rufus Shinra

20:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Why is FFVII it self only related to the compilation? It is in the compilation. It's the most important game of the compilation because everything was built around it.

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: I wouldn't actually consider FFVII a part of that rather ugly series of bad sequels that have been built around it. There's the game, and the needless ad-ons. ...Yeah, that logic sucks. Move it.

[edit] Tifa

Why is she on their when she plays no relevance in any of the games? She seems like a pretty important character in VII; but if she died in the Nibelheim incident and never lived in the current time, would it matter? AC- she does nothing. In CC she does the same as she does in VII, doesn't really matter here. Brief cameo in DoC.

Tifa may as well be just a part of Cloud's head. She encourages Cloud a lot in the plot: but that's it. If Tifa wasn't there, would the plot have changed? When does Cloud go after Tifa? Once, at the Don Corneo place. Tifa follows Cloud just as much as the rest of the cast. Canon says she doesn't have a date with Cloud at Gold Saucer. In fact, Barret could just replace Tifa at any point in the game.

Don't care about Aerith; she just has more plot relevance. As does Genesis, Rufus and Hojo. I see your point where it seems Aerith is more important, a reason to put Tifa there... but actually I couldn't give a fuck about any triangle.  I Lion Heart I 21:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The games have made it clear that they are at least equal in plot importance. There has never been any preference for either outside of a player's own head. --BlueHighwind ツ 22:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

This isn't about who likes Cloud the best; this is about plot relevance. As I have said above, Tifa isn't all that important, whereas "last of the Cetra"; definitely more important sounding to me.  I Lion Heart I 22:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Really, they both pail in importance to Cloud. Zack is nothing but a set-up character for Mr. Stife, and Sephiroth is just an antagonist to give him something to do. Saying that Tifa isn't one of the most important characters in the series is ridiculous. ILHI, I thought you already showed me all your surprises, but it turns out your story is not played-out yet. --BlueHighwind ツ 22:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

And yet you're not seeing it. Cloud is the compilation protagonist; and Zack his predecessor who plays the same role in some games. Zack and Cloud are lead protagonists, and Sephiroth a recurring protagonist and enemy of the Planet. Seph and Cloud's plot relevance; very relevant because one seeks to destroy the world, and one to destroy the other.

Tifa is a support character. Support character's have no role in the plot, and the main storyline could work without them. Aerith is very much a part of the main storyline where Tifa is there to support Cloud, but not effect the plot in anyway, except the Nibelheim incident in which she could be replaced by any guide. She has little importance to the plot.  I Lion Heart I 22:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Genesis

He first appears in DoC. I don't know all of what he does; but usually your first appearance is to be important unless they're setting the character up for a sequel. Main villain of Crisis Core is important. More importantly, he is canonly (and therefore it's retcon to the original VII plot) involved within the Nibeliheim incident; where he is a supporting character to Sephiroth to push him into evil. So he is a supporting character; he's also the main villain of Crisis Core, being the opposing force throughout the majority of the second-half. He has some role in DoC, which appears mildly important (or random addition but still importance to the compilation in some way) to the game.

More importantly, if they were to remake VII, Genesis would be involved in the Nibelheim incident once more at least. Unless Square don't put him in there which would then make Genesis being there, and the entirety of Crisis Core not canon.

Actually, I realise now I couldn't care less. Bye.  I Lion Heart I 14:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)