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Lulu and Vivi name[]
Does anyone think that the name similarity between Lulu and Vivi is notable enough to be added to the Trivia section on both pages? I think it is. they're both black mages, so why not? its just another useless fact, so why not. no harm done, right? | |||
Okay, i don't think it's a huge deal so I'm just going to add it to both Lulu and Vivi's trivia sections, then ppl decide whether u want it there or not. alright? :) | |||
Ok, i will tell you this, not because you think is true, that doesn't make it true, second: doesn't sounds alike nor is written alike, not even means the same. so it doesn't have thing to do with Lulu except for the black mage skills. | |||
Cool[]
Vivi is a miraculous character. We constantly argue over who is the best and worst character. Yet, we all can agree on Vivi being awesome. It is sad that Vivi died before knowing that Zidane was still alive. Maybe through death, though, Vivi has jumped from awesome to legendary. Vivi is proof that everyone can agree on one charcter. | |||
Vivi's Children[]
"He later has childern with an unknown mother." Um, what? Since when did any Black Mages in FFIX have mothers? They're magical constructs created by Kujah. Where in the game does it even hint that his kids (who are all exact replicas of him) have a mother? I'd always assumed he created them the same way he was created. Fyrmer 19:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- I deleted that portion. There is definately no mention of a mother and no mention of Black Mages even being able to breed. AlcaeusTheWizard 02:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Vivi's last name[]
Vivi's last name is not Ornitier, but Orunitia. Anyone who disputes this claim can check out the Talk: Vivi Orunitia on Wikipedia for more details. Could everyone change the name on the articles and images related to FF9 or Vivi? -Eileen-
- It's been disputed for some time. I put Orunitia originally, but someone else changed it and I didn't care. Crazyswordsman 00:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well thank you so much for confusing me -_- --Auron Kaizer 13:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- SE's page says Orunitia. I'll see if I can find my booklet. --TacticAngel 21:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well thank you so much for confusing me -_- --Auron Kaizer 13:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I have the answer since this was debated on Wikipedia. In the Playstation version of FFIX it says Ornitier, but more recently they made a new Greatest Hits FFIX which is says Orunitia. (I have this version and I checked myself.) It is also Orunitia in the Bradygames Guide. (I also have this guide). Hope that answers some questions. -Eileen-
The difference between Orunitia and Ornitier isn't a mistranslation, just a preference on the part of the person doing the translating. The Japanese does transliterate as "orunitia," but if SE went with a straight transliteration of every name, we'd all be crying about how Sefirosu killed Earisu. The derivation of "Ornitier" from オルニティア used the same line of reasoning that gave us the more English-friendly Garland from "gaarando," and allows Black Mages to cast Fire instead of Faia. Internal inconsistencies may have the name being transliterated differently in different sources, but since Ornitier and Orunitia are written the same way in Japanese, there is no way to tell for sure which one is correct, but because it sounds more natural in English and because it showed up in the original game manual and several other related media, I'm sticking with Ornitier.
Just thought I'd mention that in Theatrhythm Final Fantasy, the reverse of his Character Card has his name as Vivi Ornitier. 92.238.178.243 12:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Vivi's Fake Ticket[]
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - DrakemasterDrake 16:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC) The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Was Vivi's fake ticket really for a show called I Want To Be Your Crow? I always thought that it was just a counterfit version of the I Want To Be Your Canary ticket. | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 16:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
It was indeed for I Want To Be Your Crow. That's what it tells you when you go to the Key Items menu before going up to the ticket counter. | |||
I've been replaying this game for my walkthrough and ticket counter guy tells it for I Want to Be Your Crow. I wonder where I can get tickets for it? | |||
Death?[]
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
Wow, I just read this article fully.... So it was Vivi speaking all the way through the end? I always was confused as to who was speaking when the screen blacked out and a few lines were spoken. I guess he really did die....... *sniffle* | |||
WHAT?!! VIVI-CHAN DIES!? | |||
- He doesn't die, he just.....stops, his time ran out like with all Mages. - Sencilia 08:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- aka He's dead "stopping" is dying for the black mages they do not understand death in the same way we do they think of themselves as more wind up toys RIP Vivi-Jio Freed 02:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- It never blatantly says who says what, so its more or less up to you to decide. Its these sorts of things the new games can't do due to voice acting. Me? I like to think of it as each character giving their final farewell to Zidane, but the first line (About Kuja giving them hope) I believe was the Black Mages and Genomes thanking Kuja.What more can I say? 23:26, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of a happier ending, I always assumed that Black Mages reproduced by splitting, others die (or "stop"). So by this, Vivi could be dead, alive, at the play, and a father. Dead as his body no longer exists. Alive and at the play because his consiousness (yet not his memories) are in his 6 offspring, and a father, obviously, he split into 6 black mages. But that's just my logic, I don't think there is any in-game reason for his reproducing. | |||
Robot?[]
I remember playing this game,did Vivi at any time turn into a Robot? | |||
this question boggles my mind. | |||
There was a part in the Game were Vivi gets bigger,but can use magic.Does he turn into a robot? | |||
I think I can hear my brain crying. Drake Clawfang 07:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Am I going to get an answer soon? | |||
Terra_Homing - "Will you stagger on, with no star to light your way?" TALK - 16:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
...No, Vivi never turns into a robot. >< | |||
I wanna know how the fuck hell you ever thought he did. Drake Clawfang 16:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it might have been another FF game.How many FF games were on the PS1? | |||
VII, VIII, IX (I, II, IV, V, VI - T). Also, type "time=~~~~~". That's what it's there for. ILHI 18:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Master Conjurer — (talk) 21:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
Let's be careful not to bite people, Drakey. | |||
Why? Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Drake Clawfang 21:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
You have to accept that there are stupid people. Sigh, roll your eyes, and ignore. If it's particularly stupid, feel free to express through words that you're sighing and rolling your eyes and to throw in a sarcastic joke.
Believe me, I have to work with stupid people all the time. Me eyes don't stop rolling. I hate everyone. ILHI 22:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
We love you too ILHI. | |||
Don't you think it a little harsh to call me stupid? | |||
Terra_Homing - "Will you stagger on, with no star to light your way?" TALK - 23:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
Maybe, but I think you should replay IX if you thought Vivi becomes a Robot. It's a great game anway so you might as well... | |||
There was a FF game where one of your party members was a dragon that turned human THAT's were I saw the Robot Vivi lool alike.What was it called? | |||
Holy shit. What does Final Fantasy Tactics have to do with Vivi? >_< - Henryacores^ 23:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Tactics! That's the one I was thinking of. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? 00:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ: | |||
I guess Construct 8 had a Black Mage Face. But I'm rather disappointed that you couldn't find the information on our wiki yourself without going through this baggy-pants farce. Vivi and Construct have nothing to do with each other. | |||
I don't think you needed to say all that,now.This was a few years ago,when I was still a kid,I remember these two games and I thought they where the same game. | |||
Proof that vivi wasn't there in the end[]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL5m0U57dXY at 4:31 it introduces vivi's son's however there's no mention of him and they show 6 sons INCLUDING THE ONE TALKING TO PUCK. and if Vivi was there why wouldn't he try to talk directly to puck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEWSmD0VYf8 at 8:57 there are six count them recount them there are only SIX.-Jio Freed 00:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL5m0U57dXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEWSmD0VYf8 The Monologue through the whole ending is another hint he died if you read at the end of it he says "farewell. my memories will be apart of the sky" black mages are made of what? and you notice he mentions Zidane so it can't be Zidane. Another hint is "I always talked about you, >>Zidane<<. How you were a special person to us, because you taught us all how important life is." and the narrator goes on about how Zidane and the others changed his life and taught them how to live a better one and at the end they say farewell. that could only be vivi the only one who wasn't among the group meeting Zidane again-Jio Freed 00:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Who's to say that only he says anything in the monologue? Who's to say that he says ANYTHING in the monologue?
Etymology[]
I have seen various texts wherein the verb vivo is conjugated in first person and perfect past as vivi. Your source, while appearing respectable, contradicts this. Faethinte audio 02:33, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Theme remixes[]
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 12:53, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Do prevent the edit war from getting full blown, let's have a look at Vivi's theme vs Limited Time. First and formost, to repeat what I have said; they share the same form (as a good deal of songs do), however the melodies (as you suggest), are in fact different. I am listening to it as I type, and it shares more in common with Stiener's theme; the central difference in the bass instruments are removed. This makes sense: the song is played while Stiener looks for Garnet at the beginning of the game, hence the name; he has limited time to find Garnet before the plan's over. Scenes aside, it shares very little with Vivi's theme, though as I said, the form is very similar, and I can see where you're mistake would have arisen. Please, if you can show me I'm wrong, please do so. | |||
Notice the similarities? Apart from tempo, key and harmonies, these two songs have EXACTLY THE SAME MELODY! Also, you'll find the song "Find the Princess" is played when Steiner is looking for Garnet. An example of when "Limited Time" is played is at Mount Gulug when Vivi finds the Black Mages who went along with Kuja and decides to stay with them for a while. | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 13:14, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I was look for the sheet music a second ago, then I saw this. And now I am convinced; they do not share the melodies. Limited time has many more ridges (I forget the terms, been a few years since I sat down to play seriously). Once again, they share a similar form (that is they rise and fall at a similar pace (tempo aside)), but forms are that flexible, due to overriding tempos, they are often found to be common in a large number to pieces. Also, have a look at the time signatures, while BMV is 4/4, LT is 2/4, completely different pieces, stand alone. Comparing two different time signatures is like adding matrices; they have to be the same, or no deal. Seriously, now that I have seen the sheet music side by side, I am convinced they are not the same. (=P My talk icon keeps coming up as FFIX characters, kind of appropriate, hey? | |||
I'll accept that there is riffing and a different time sig. Apart from that THEY ARE THE SAME. I'd also like to emphasise these points: 1. LT is played in scenes involving Vivi 2. Its melody is derived from Vivi's Theme (My original point) | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 13:28, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
What you basically said just then was this: I accept the points your making, but reject the conclusion that they point to. If you want this discussion to continue, try at least giving me a few points as to why you think the melodies are similar. Simply restating what you have said over and over isn't debating, it's just been stubborn. And when I listened to Finding the Princess, my memory quickly confirmed that is indeed the piece that plays there. My mistake. | |||
That's not what I said at all! My original point was the LT is derived from Vivi's Theme which you can clearly see from the sheet music. QED. | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 13:38, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Ok, I'm talk in the simplest English I can manage, as you don't seem to understand what I am saying: 1)The share a similar base. This is not a point toward them being similar, as many songs share the same base. 2)The time signatures (I'm can see you have a fair amount of musical knowledge yourself, so I take it you know what that means) are different. That alone throws any and all evidence you can come up with out the window. There you go, a summary in two points. And don't take me talking like this as me thinking you're stupid, it's just that I talk a bit funny (choice of words), and some people have trouble understanding me. When I think people are having trouble keeping up, I summarize. | |||
...No. Just no. 1. Even if two songs have different time signatures they can still have the same melody. 2. Even if two songs have different tempos they can still have the same melody. 3. Even if two songs have different harmonies they can still have the same melody. 4. Even if two songs have different riffing they can still have the same basic melody. 5. Even if two songs are in different key signatures they can still have the same melody. 5 musical reasons why I can say LT is derived from Vivi's Theme in the most basic way I could present them. | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 13:56, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
So, you're saying I can compare a waltz to a march? You can NOT compare two songs of differing time signatures. These songs have different harmonies, they have different rifts, they have different time signatures, they have different key signatures, they have different tempos. So other than that, they share a similar (Not identical, similar) melody, and yet you say they must be remixes of each other. That's like saying Green Day remixed Beethoven just because they share a similar melody. "Sure Green Day is agressive and mainstream, not to mention a rock band, using mainly string and percussion, but because the melodies are the same, they must have remixed Beethoven's 9th in there lasted song!" Ignoring that fact that this did not happen, and I just plucked two artists from midair, this is a perfect example of a self defeating argument, as you have almost completed. In fact, I would go as far as to say you just did. By the by, I've got an exam early in the morning, so I'll have to leave soon for bed. If I stop responding, I'll have a look in the morning, and see what I see. | |||
This is anything but self-defeating. All I said when I first edited is that it used part of Vivi's Theme in the melody, which you appear to agree with (please correct this if it is wrong). You could say, to use your example, that Green Day used (or borrowed) part of Beethoven's 9th in their latest song. On a side note check through your edit before you submit it. (lasted =/= latest) | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 14:13, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Oops =P typo. And you should do the same; you keep leaving the time out of your posts. But to the point: No I'm not saying Vivi's theme was used in the melody of LT, I'm saying they are similar, like a crow and a magpie's feathers are similar (both long, smooth and heavy, and many are black). And your example made no sense what so ever; you just said the same point I was making, and tried to turn it to your own side (If that makes sense... I really need to go to bed). And yes it is self defeating: All I needed to do to turn your arguments against you is point out what you said in one part counters what you say later on. | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 14:26, April 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Because this is just going in one endless loop, I'll let you have what you already put on there, and if someone else reads this and decides one way or the other, I'll leave it at that. | |||
Sorceror Nobody – The supreme nonentity Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 13:59, June 28, 2010 (UTC) "I can detect matter down to one atom in a vacuum the size of the moon, and apparently, this guy doesn't exist" -- Foaly | |||
Non-musical expert here, but I come bearing definitions:
Key phrase: "sequence of notes", ergo the tempo and so on are not relevant. YamiNoBahamut is right. Only the actual pitch and order of the notes define the melody, so VT and LT have the same core melody. Of course, this rather depends on whether you trust Wiktionary :P | |||
Thank you, SN. Finally, someone understands! | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 01:36, June 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I still retain my position that I believe the similarities are too minor to be noted, and I must say I'm not too happy with that definition. I see it like this: A journey is a sequence of steps that make up a distance traveled. You can't argue with that right? Well If I take a ten thousand step march through the mountains, and a ten thousand step march across the beach, they are both VERY different things, though by the definition of "journey", they are identical. But, I am a man of my word, I said if someone agreed with either of us, and that person wished to change it on the main page, I would not revert it back. | |||
Vivi did die![]
And here's the evidence:
"I always talked about you, Zidane. How you were a very special person to us, because you taught us all how important life is. You taught me that life doesn't last forever. That's why we have to help each other and live life to the fullest. Even if you say goodbye, you'll always be in our hearts. So, I know we're not alone anymore. Why I was born... How I wanted to live... Thanks for giving me time to think. To keep doing what you set your heart on... It's a very hard thing to do. We were all so courageous... What to do when I felt lonely... That was the only thing you couldn't teach me. But we need to figure out the answer for ourselves... I'm so happy I met everyone... I wish we could've gone on more adventures. But I guess we all have to say goodbye someday. Everyone... Thank you. Farewell. My memories will be part of the sky..."
Vivi must have said this because the dialogue fits his character 100%. The dialogue mentions "I wish we could've gone on more adventures", indicating that the person speaking must be a member of the main party. The only member of the party not to appear in the ending is Vivi and his death can be the only logical explanation for his absence. The last line is obviously the line of someone who is about to die. His conversation with Blackmage 288 also clearly shows that his death was expected. The writing style is very Vivi-ish too. Overall, the evidence that Vivi died is overwhelming.
"Vivi must have said this because the dialogue fits his character 100%." - Faulty logic, just because it fits Vivi saying it doesn't mean it was. The interpretation I've seen in places is that it is Mikoto speaking, which also fits. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, but "more adventures" makes a billion times more sense for Vivi than Mikoto -- 13:51, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
ORNITIER[]
His last name is ORNITIER. Orunitia is a mistranslation from the US Greatest Hits version. Rozan Shōryūha 17:30, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Are people really still on that subject, there already is a discussion about this [[Talk:Vivi Orunitia#Vivi's last name|above]]. Bjarnster 19:34, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Vivi's Ultimania page Rozan Shōryūha 17:37, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't know the Ultimania actually spelled out his name in English. There's still the FFIX website, which gives his name as Orunitia, but that website also gives his name as 9 years, while we use 6 months from the Ultimania. So we should be consistent and use everything from the Ultimania that we have. Just curious, when was the FFIX Ultimania published? If it was after the Greatest Hits version was released, that would seal the deal. 8bit 17:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- EDIT: Hmm, does that number "9" in the top right corner of the scan stand for Vivi's age as 9 years? Because then we would have another conflict -_-" 8bit 17:47, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Mind you that this is the Japanese publication. If that's the case that Amarant should be called Salamander Coral as that's his name in the Japanese version. And also, I do believe it's 9 years. BLUER一番 18:16, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, opting to use the Japanese names over the English names opens up a large can of worms we don't need. As in the past, the most recent translation of Vivi's name should be used, depending on what said recent translation is and what it uses yeah, we may need to move the page. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:26, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Vivi's case is a little more complicated than Amarant's - we never see his surname used in-game, and we have two conflicting English guide books, one with Ornitier and one with Orunitia. Does Amarant's page say "Salamander Coral"? I'm not sure if those names are romanization or meant to actually be used in English. Also, Bluer, I remember you telling me that we need Japanese Ultimanias for certain surnames like Cecil's and Rosa's.
- We seem to have conflicting policies with "Ultimania is the best source" and "use the most recent source". When was the FFIX Ultimania published?8bit 18:42, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- 2000, but you remember, this is why we didn't call that Sky Pirate Balflear. BLUER一番 18:45, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- But "Balthier" is explicitly used in-game. Orunitia isn't. It's mentioned in the Greatest Hits guide book and on the FFIX website itself (http://na.square-enix.com/games/FFIX-gamesite/). Which, I think, should be the determining factor. lthough didn't we have height problems where we took the Ultimania's heights over Square's VII website? Gah. 8bit 18:58, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- 2000, but you remember, this is why we didn't call that Sky Pirate Balflear. BLUER一番 18:45, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Vivi's Ultimania page Rozan Shōryūha 17:37, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
- JAP website: Ornitier
- JAP manual: Ornitier
- US website: Ornitier
- US manual: Ornitier
- US manual (Greatest Hits): Orunitia
- UK website: Ornitier
- UK manual: Ornitier
- FFIX Settei Gasshuu (JAP): Ornitier
- FFIX Ultimania (JAP): Ornitier
- FFIX Visual Arts Collection (US): Ornitier
Gilgamesh56 12:57, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- We base our names on the latest American release, thus this page is called Vivi Orunitia. ScatheMote 13:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- It is a blatant mispelling. Orunitia is the romanization of Ornitier, they simply forgot to fully translate it. If the latest port of, say, FFIV has a manual that says Kain Highwnid instead of Kain Highwind, would we rename the Kain article Kain Highwnid? No, we wouldn't. Gilgamesh56 21:01, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Is the Greatest Hits manual a completely new manual? If it is, user is right, it should be moved. 88.108.100.243 21:10, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- The manual's the same except for Vivi's last name. ScatheMote 21:41, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Well then that implies it's an update or a correction. If it was a completely different manual, then it could be considered a mistranslation, but they changed the old name, meaning it's a correction. So I think it should stay here for being most recent North America released English translation. 88.108.100.243 22:50, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Is the Greatest Hits manual a completely new manual? If it is, user is right, it should be moved. 88.108.100.243 21:10, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
- It is a blatant mispelling. Orunitia is the romanization of Ornitier, they simply forgot to fully translate it. If the latest port of, say, FFIV has a manual that says Kain Highwnid instead of Kain Highwind, would we rename the Kain article Kain Highwnid? No, we wouldn't. Gilgamesh56 21:01, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Vivi Orinitier is used as a character name in the XIV 2.0 screenshot along with many other character names for the series. This is obviously not connected to the game but just for display purposes. But it adds a LITTLE weight to the original spelling still being the officially accepted. Is Vivi in Theatrhythm? Maybe we will see spelling there. 80.42.224.34 09:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC) jackstin
As I have mentioned in the above part about his name, He has indeed appeared in Theatrhythm Final Fantasy, and the reverse of his Character Card spells it as Ornitier. 92.238.178.243 12:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, our policy is to use the most recent translation, so seems like it's Ornitier. Also seeing the source for such on the article is the 20th Anniversary Ultimania, seems this is overdue anyway. Doreiku Kuroofangu 13:18, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree 100% Ornitier. 79.69.207.16 14:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Yayyy who wants to move it? ;)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:04, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree 100% Ornitier. 79.69.207.16 14:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Etimology Part II[]
"Vivi" is not past tense, it is impersonal passive infinitive, and the verb is not "Viver", but "Vivere" or better "Vivo", because in Latin the first person of the present is used to indicate a verb. --Pmbarbieri 00:30, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- I swear, Imma ban the next person that messes up Vivi's etymolgy section. Fëasindë te audio 01:28, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Deceased or not[]
Vivi's fate after the destruction of the Iifa Tree is really unknown.One possibility is that he may have been in Black Mage Village telling the Black Mages tales of his journey.Though the dialouge at the end may suggest he died but it is unknown if he was the one speaking at the end.He was speaking at first but he may stopped speaking and someone else may have started to express their thoughts.--Lord of the Dark Depths 16:55, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
- If Vivi was alive, I think he would have gone to Garnet's birthday at the end, since everyone else was going, and his sons were going as well. Black Mage's lifespan was said to be around 1 year, and Vivi was 6 months old in the game. Of course, the Black Mage at the cemetery tries to comfort Vivi and says that prototypes may live longer, so Vivi's lifespan is essentially unknown. The fact that you don't see him in the end is a pretty big hint toward him not being around anymore tough, and the nameless speech says "My memories will be part of the sky" which basically refers to the whole "circle of life" concept in the game, where the souls' memories return to the crystal when a being dies, which would further make sense if this speech as Vivi's farewell on his deathbed.Keltainentoukokuu 22:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Vivi probably would not have attended Garnet's celebration because he had duties in Black Mage village so he might have sent his sons in his place.There were also many people who would be expected to attend the celebration but didn't like Doctor Tot,Mikoto,Marcus,Erin, and Eiko's Moogle Friends.As I sayed before this is a possibilty of Vivi's fate.--Lord of the Dark Depths 14:40, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
- As always, Keltainentoukokuu provides a very logical and convinving argument. Ultimately, this is down to personal interpretation. It is never explicitly stated whether or not Vivi survived to see Garnet's birthday celebrations, although it is implied that he did not. As such, this is somewhat of a thorny issue, which many fans have strong opinions about. Put simply, there is no canonical answer to your original question. I personally believe that it is canonically implied that he died, but it is not definitively stated one way or the other. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.png 19:00, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
As I said before it is a possibilty that Vivi may have stayed in Black Mage Villiage.It is not based of personal opinion it is just a thought of one of his possible fate.--Lord of the Dark Depths 19:06, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But if it was intended by the game designers that he is alive and stays in the Black Mage Village during the celebration, then why isn't he shown at all? They show Freya hanging around Burmecia with Fratley, they show Eiko in Lindblum with Cid and Hilda, they show Amarant meeting up with Lani, they show what Steiner and Quina are up to before the celebrations as well, why not show Vivi in the Black Mage Village? It really only reinforces the idea that it is intentional that he isn't shown at all. Vivi really was the other main character with Zidane, and then he would just be completely overlooked in the end? Doesn't make sense in any other way than that he is intended to have deceased by the time the ending takes place.
- Of course what the "game designers intend" isn't the true story as I am a big fan of the Death of the Author concept myself, but from the wiki point of view, whatever appears to be what the game people intended, should be the version listed here.Keltainentoukokuu 19:39, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Well Kuja is not shown in the end and he was a major character in the story.Vivi's fate is unknown as of now but we can't truly assume he is dead as it never truly stated.That is just one of the mysteries the developers left unanswered.--Lord of the Dark Depths 19:45, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Kuja died before the end though, we even see him die.Keltainentoukokuu 19:59, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Well then someone should rewrite the last part of his artical becuase it says his fate is unknown.--Lord of the Dark Depths 20:43, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Vivi's ending narrative[]
After a tiresome edit war, this article was changed to remove the suggestion that Vivi was the character narrating the ending sequence, and that he had 'stopped' in between the final battle and the events of the ending sequence.
I recently came across a translation of the Japanese script of Final Fantasy IX, which clearly identifies Vivi as the narrator of the epilogue. In the translation of the epilogue, the translator specifically states:
- "Many people have had questions about how I could tell who is speaking in this final monologue. The way you can tell in Japanese is that the speaker uses a speech pattern and pronouns that ONLY Vivi used throughout the game."
I believe that this confirms the fact that Vivi is the narrator, and that, as such it is an 'official' fact and not an implication.
On a related note, the translations of the timeline from the FFIX Ultimania also include a large amount of useful information that could be incorporated into our articles, such as the fact that Vivi returned to Black Mage Village one week after Zidane went to see Kuja at the foot of the Iifa Tree.
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.png 21:00, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I guess that's it then. Cut and dried, right? We can add it back into the article, and finally definitively kill Vivi.
- ...wait, that came out wrong -- Sorceror Nobody 21:23, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
Nice finds. Good job.Keltainentoukokuu 23:33, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
Etymology[]
Is there a source for the "various Latin/Romance words for live/life" origin? The Japanese version of FF9 pretty explicitly connects his name (Bibi in Hepburn romanization) to the Japanese verb bibi-ru, as it is used to describe at the time he is named. It wouldn't surprise me if the English spelling of his name was decided in order to pun on bibi-ru and vivre etc. (sorry, my Romance language is French), but to present only the one not directly supported by the game's text without a source seems inappropriate. 111.105.29.46 05:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- You can always add more possible etymologies to articles if you think you have one. Sometimes localized names can have new symbolisms that weren't in the Japanese version, too.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)