Other appearences?Edit

I was just wondering why this page doesn't have an "other appearence" section, from when she was in Kingdom Hearts 2, there is one for almost all the other people that were in it. Please add below if you have any thoughts on this.--Paradox

Fixed. --Auron Kaizer 22:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if it's not there, you're more than encouraged to put it there. I would if I played KH2. But I have no plans to. Crazyswordsman 23:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Story Edit

Isn't the story part a bit too long, and includes too much that doesn't have Tifa in it? How about shaving it down a little bit? --Auron Kaizer 22:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

That seems to be the way with all of the main character pages in just about every game, there seems to be a page when a paragraph would suffice.--Goldberry2000 22:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, currently, it's more of a game summary (very... very long summary) about the parts that include Tifa, than an actual biography. --Hecko X 23:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Our defense for these long pages is this: We're not Wikipedia. --Crazyswordsman 00:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It's more about content (or at least, I think it is). It also needs a lot of rephrasing, as it is, no offence to whomever was kind enough to take the time to write it, linguistically redundant (drastical overuse of the same terms and phrases). It's like a step by step summary of the story's plot, rather than an actual biography about Tifa. --Hecko X 00:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
When i get a few spare hours I'll go through and "fix" all of the main character articles to the best of my ability. We're probably talking saturday or sunday.--Goldberry2000 00:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that she is also in Advent Children? The whole "Story" section mentions her story from Final Fantasy VII, but it hardly even mentions her from Advent Children! --DragonTU84 19:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
That's how it's worked out with all of the character pages. I know I said I'd fix it before, but I'll revise my comment and once again claim it will be done... eventually.--Goldberry2000 22:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Quote? Edit



Youtube video Edit

Not sure if this is the place, but the youtube video is a dead link. Jay59 15:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

And the youtube file has been deleted.  ILHI 17:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Limit Breaks in Advent Children? Not as many as everyone likes to think... Edit

Tifa doesn't actually use any of her Limit Breaks besides Meteor Strike in Advent Children, which she clearly uses to toss Loz into a pew before dropping back next to Marlene, where Loz' phone then rings and he answers. She is actually using most of her combo attacks from Ehrgeiz, including the sliding kick and the backflip. Tifa's Somersault, Waterkick and all her other Limit Breaks can indeed be performed in Ehrgeiz as special grapple attacks, but look completely different again.

Beat Rush: Could be any series of punches, right?

Somersault: In the game she grapples the enemy, climbs up them and then kicks off. In Advent Children she actually does her backflip from Ehrgeiz, not her grappling Somersault. (to whoever wrote this, she used her other foot and then kicked whoever, and in FFVII:AV she put her foor on his knee and kicked him in the face)

Waterkick: That's a sweeping kick. The "Waterkick" in Advent Children resembles a baseball slide, another attack she can use in Ehrgeiz.

Meteodrive: A suplex. No sign of this in AC (not that I ever noticed anyway).

Dolphin Blow: Basically a Shoryuken (you all know what a Shoryuken is). She doesn't do one of these either.

Meteor Strike: Yup, she clearly chucks Loz into a pew with this.

Final Heaven: No sign of it.

Thought I'd clear that up, as a lot of people do like to desperately assert that certain elements of the game appeared in there that actually didn't. Who the hell said Ehrgeiz was bad for Tifa's career? ^__^

ReloadPsi 20:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

BlueHighwind TA

But which is more correct? A duplicate of Ehrgeiz's or similar to FF7's? If her moves are clearly like Ehrgeiz's then that is the correct. 'Course, I can't comment on what he said as I have only watched the movie once (which I though was lame, BTW) and didn't take into consideration what is FF7 and what is not.  ILHI 14:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC) First, there is only one strike that occures in the movie, Cloud's finisher. Even Meteor strike doesn't count 'cause it is just a throw and is not a Rage based attack. That is the definition of Limit(calculus,lol). As such, the fight is simply "corriograghy" because it is a movie not a game. AJ Werefang 00:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Age in Crisis Core. Edit

I know it seems impossible but she's 13 in Crisis Core. In VII she is 20 and the accident happened 7 years ago which makes her 13. She does say something about the accident happening 7 years ago to Cloud.... I was just trying to figure this out when I saw the edit on her Cris Core age.



Actually, she is 16. 4 years pass while Zack and Cloud are prisoners. Yet only just after escaping(maybe a few weeks) they get to Midgar. Zack dies and Cloud finds Tifa, wherein FFVII begins. (to be honest, I think this is BS but I just wanted to point out some time inconsistancies) AJ Werefang 23:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

If this were true, Cloud would have been 17 in Crisis Core, which he isn't. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Crisis Core begins in November 2001. Tifa was born in 1987. Math it, and you get that (2001 - 1987 = 14). By the time of Nibelheim Incident (October 2002), she is 15. FFVII takes place in late 2007, 2008. Five years after the Incident, making her 20. It all fits. --BlueHighwind 12:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Glad to have the Ultimania on your side, Blue? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

wedding!!!???????? Edit

In advent children when she's giving Cloud the whole Self-Help Speech If you pause the shot of her hand on the bed you can see a ring on the ring finger of her right hand, Now I'm not a shipping fanatic but...

It's not a wedding ring. Wedding rings are worn on the left hand, Tifa wears her on the right. The ring is modeled after Cloud's emblem, the Cloudy Wolf. Denzel has a ring like it as well, I believe he wears his around his neck. Drake Clawfang 04:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Goddamm you, I could already feel the damm shipping taint while reading therough this article, I tried to push it out of my mind, and then something like that has to be in the discussion section

This is a Talk Page, so we don't really have control over who says what here. For example, I may not want surely complainers here, but what can I do? The fact that this proposal has been ignored and refuted should show how little we care for "shipping" in our articles. --BlueHighwind 17:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you look closer it has fenrir in it even barret has one but its only an easter egg


Tifa's Height???? Edit

Uh huh: all of their metric heights are now fine (but then I don't check every edit; so they may have already been messed with :D) -- And I wondered why their heights commonly in imperial measurements: so I assumed they were imperial in the US manual.  ILHI 19:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Ultimania actually lists her height as 167, not 160 (which would be 5'6"). You can see it on page 22 of the thing. I wouldn't use the manuals over that.-- 05:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


Hmm, I suppose we should... I mean even this is FF7 PSN by Square Enix. But then there's Ultimania. I guess I should watch Advent Children again... because remember guys if Tifa is really 5'6''... then she'd be really close to Cloud's height.Jijjin 18:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

There's no equivalent in Japanese. The US site uses 5'5", which is what you get if you round down rather than to the nearest inch after convertering 167cm to inches. Is there anything corroborating 5'4" anywhere else, preferably in Japanese?-- 06:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
FFT-Zack sprite

Tifa is definitely 5'4". On all of the official sites her height is stated as 5'4". Only in the Dirge of Cerberus guide is her height stated any taller than that.

My handy-dandy centimeters-to-feet converter says that 167cm = 5.47 feet or 5'5.64". So, counting on the the metric height being correct and with rounding, she's 5'6". Shenron118 03:26, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yuffie, please sign your comments. Her exact height, in the most accurate, Japanese source, is 167 cm. Red Silvers 03:29, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Noticed there was a debate. Here's my 2 pennies. 1997 PS1 user manual (I still have it, I know. lol) says 5'4". Granted, it is the US English release, but it's not the Greatest Hits verison. The 2012 version does not have a user manual, at least not one I can find. Yoboom21 17:38, Feb 18, 2013

It's because Square Enix doesn't know how to convert from metric to customary, so there's a lot of discrepancies in height, especially in the PSX era. C A T U S E 23:44, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Development Sections Edit

BlueHighwind TA
BlueHighwind TA

Where does all this -Development- information come from anyway, what source? None of this stuff on Tifa has been stuff I've heard of. 21:57, November 15, 2009 (UTC)SomeDude

Probably the FFVII Ultimania - Ash Crimson 21:58, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

AC Outfit Edit

BlueHighwind TA

While i was making a cosplay outfit of her AC outfit, i called them "pannels." But, I guess the back-lower one would be "pleated-pannel?" (heh, sounds like a tough-twister...) Really, I don't know, but hey; I'm just giving my crazy thought. ~Leo

Personality Edit

TenzaZangetsu 17,957 October 31 2009 (UTC)  -   "Let’s see, what rhymes with "Shut up, you moron"?.":
The Personality says that Tifa is very shy but I never saw her that way, yes, she doesn't tell his feelings to Cloud but beyond that, she's not shy.
Kyrel - 23:40, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
I will have to disagree, a shy person may not be the stereotypical quiet one. "Shy" may also imply someone who is afraid or reluctant to speak their mind and show their true feelings and/or emotions.

Hair Edit

Kyrel - 23:44, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
DDS and I think her hair is dark brown, although Tifa's large fanbase (noobs who only watched AC) keeps saying her hair is black! Can we, the FF Wikians, come to an official agreement on this?

Kyrel - 23:53, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, and thanks for replying. I also agree on the breast thing, it's ridiculous

How many times does someone need to keep bouncing the hair color back and forth, back and forth, back and forth? Red Silvers 01:04, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


Just a thought here. Since her hair is already pointed out as different in Advent Children, and that seems to be the only place where it is black, why not have the Appearance part read "Tifa's hair is dark brown." and then in the section that says her hair is shorter in Advent Children, note that it also appears black? Red Silvers 01:33, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


Her hair is black half of the time and brown the other half. Your saying it's brown is mere opinion, just as me saying it's black is...we need to find a way to word it to say that it isn't official rather it's black or brown. just my thought.....but who cares about me..

Look at the images, from various different sources, on the page. In-game model? Brown. Images from various games? Brown. The only time it appears black is in Advent Children, and even then, it can be a very dark brown. (The unsigned comment above is not me). Red Silvers 01:54, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


I DIDN'T mean GAMES! But I meant half of the opinions.....because in Advent Children, it IS black. And same with Dirge of Cerberus...but her hair is highlighted, which is where the brown comes it.....


Drake is right, few people think she has black hair, but sometimes her hair looks black or very dark brown Redeemer and Destroyer 00:07, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

So only the users here are fans of the game then? I know plenty of people who aren't users here that are fans of the game that say her hair is black, too. It's all just everyone's opinion, only Nomura really knows one way or another. I was just changing it out of my opinion, but I guess that was a huge sin around here or something. Sorry for being as annoying as Yuffie.


Advice: If you can't beat them, join them. Redeemer and Destroyer 2:10, December 14, 2009

Can we leave it to where it states that in some concept art her hair is brown, but in advent children her hair is depicted as black with brown highlights so everyone can be happy?


The *ahem* "phrase" everyone does not mean just me. It means the ones who believe her hair is brown and the ones who believe it is black. Is that so hard to understand?

I think it's fair, Trivia maybe.Redeemer and Destroyer 2:17, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Hell, even trivia long as it says that for the ones who believes it to be black, like myself and other people I know who thinks so. Seriously...


This phrase looks acceptable, don't you think yuffie.Redeemer and Destroyer 02:22, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, first isn't just nameless friends of mine, it's other people on the web, too.... but I suppose it's fine.

And now, you'll be able to show those people various official pictures where her hair is in fact brown. - Red Silvers 04:01, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Image of Advent Children incorrect Edit

"Tifa in battle against Loz, as seen in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children" Wrong, this image is composed of the Tifa's fight scene against Loz and a stain glass from the church, is not actually in the movie, is part of the advertisement campaign.

Time Continuity Edit

What year is it when FF7AC takes place because in some articles it says 0009 and in others it says 2009.What is up  im confused."I thought i would pretend i was one of those deaf-mutes (:p" 20:52, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Do you want to die? :no Then get outta my way Edit

hey how do you get your chat boxes to have pictures like yours? please reply soon --Trisee ann cleaton 16:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Screenshot of Tifa taken from webcam during the event. Edit

Are we sure that's a webcam? a WEBCAM? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 11:01, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


If the 10thAniv Ultimania says her full name is "Tiffany", why isn't this page at "Tiffany Lockhart"? Furthermore, why shouldn't it be mentioned in the opening paragraph? I can't think of a reason why we should keep it here. EdGe, Balthier, and Nanaki are exceptions because they're more commonly known by alternate names to their real name, but "Tifa" is a shortening of her first name. Ashe is short for Ashelia, but her page is still at Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca. The only difference is Ashelia is actually used in game, but does it even matter when Ultimania is still canon? 17:21, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

"If the 10thAniv Ultimania says her full name is "Tiffany"," - it doesn't, it says Tifa is derived from Tiffany, it never says that's her full name. I've emailed a friend to verify but that's how I remember it. Doreiku Kuroofangu 17:29, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Artwork Edit

Apparently this is a fanart? Any proof to this claim as it looks pretty legit. Netherith 05:26, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry. Found it's deviantart page. Netherith 05:42, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Red eyes? Edit

All I have to ask is really? Because looking at all the art on the page, it never gets past red-brown, and red-brown is still brown. Is there really honest-to-God actual confirmation they were ever meant to be red? Vincent's eyes are red. Tifa's, as far as I can tell from examining every pic on the page, are, and have always been, brown. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 07:22, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Red, red, red and red. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 07:27, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
We're working with a very loose definition of red then, aren't we? The only one I'd give a pass is the last of those, and then only towards the center. I mean if there's an official thing for it, fine, someone at Square is colorblind (wouldn't surprise me with many of the costume designs :P), but this somehow reminds me of the blue/green argument we just had over Lightning's eyes. I'd go in with the eyedropper again, but it's 5AM right now and I have a test in the morning. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 10:59, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: I'd like to be clear that I really hope I DON'T turn this into another edit war, and won't fight over it, but I am still dubious on the whole thing. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 22:18, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Was she "too sexy" to appear in the first Kingdom Hearts? Edit

I get the feeling that the reason why she didn't appear in the first Kingdom Hearts was because she was considered to be "too sexy" for the game, possibly because of what she wore for her classic Final Fantasy VII attire (belly-baring tank top and short leather mini-skirt) and her features (big boobs). At that time, Kingdom Hearts appealed more to younger game players who were true Disney fans, and Advent Children didn't go into production yet. They later made the second game more appealing to Square Enix fans than Disney fans, and put her in that game, dressed in her Advent Children attire. And now, she's in Dissidia 012, and is dressed in her classic Final Fantasy VII attire, but I still have to wonder: is it possible that the reason why she wasn't included in the first game was because she was "too sexy?"

Well as both Aerith and Cloud had redesigned attire in the first Kingdom Hearts, in fact, didn't all FF characters have different clothes?, they could have given Tifa a less revealing outfit, so I doubt that's the reason.Keltainentoukokuu 22:37, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
They why did they use her Advent Children attire in the second game?
Well why not use it? To match Cloud's new attire surely.Keltainentoukokuu 01:27, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
Or maybe, and this is just speculation, maybe they just didn't want to use her for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with how she looks. Netherith 02:33, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
Well personally, I think they should have kept Cloud's new attire instead of using his Advent Children attire, but anyway, back to Tifa; is it possible that the Disney executives thought that she was too sexy for the first game?

Possible? I guess. But unlikely, and her outfit has nothing to do with it. They changed Cloud's clothes to tie in with his popular new movie. They added Tifa in that outfit to match Cloud. There's no more hidden meaning behind it than that. And come on, just look at Tink for instance. Disney doesn't always shy away from "sexy" characters. Hell, Yuffie was dressed more revealingly than Tifa originally, and she made it in. Dazuro 22:17, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Tinker Bell? But she was a fairy, not a human. Anyway, if they put Tifa in Kingdom Hearts III, is it possible that she will show up wearing either her classic Final Fantasy VII attire or a variation of it?
Also, i noticed that in Dissidia 012, when wearing her classic attire, her boobs jiggle in battle. Perhaps Disney may have objected to putting her in the first game for that reason? Her Advent Children outfit prevents her boobs from jiggling, so they allowed her in Kingdom Hearts II, but even then, she was given very little screen time compared to her fellow Final Fantasy VII characters.

I think the reason why Tifa wasn't in Kingdom Hearts is probably because Aerith was considered to be Cloud's main love interest. You know, he was searching for someone, his light. I know most people say he was searching for Sephiroth but Sephiroth is his darkness, not light. Plus, considering the fact that Sephiroth had killed Aerith in the original game, Cloud wanted to fight Sephiroth because he wanted to get rid of his darkness and save his light (Aerith) since Sephiroth's existence is endangering his 'light'. In the conversation Cloud had with Sora, Sora said he is looking for his light too, hinting at Kairi. So it seems that both of them were searching for their love interests. But when Advent Children was released it would seem that Tifa and Cloud got together. If you had played the original FFVII , you will notice that Aerith and Cloud had a deeper connection. I think Kingdom Hearts wanted to portray Cloud's struggle with his darkness somehow. So they put Aerith as it would be perfect considering the original plot of FFVII. They probably forgot to put Tifa possibly because at that time, Aerith and Cloud were thought to be 'soul-mates'. Of course, fans of Tifa were probably not pleased. The developers probably didn't think much about Tifa or Cloud and Tifa pairing. As I said, before people used to think Cloud and Aerith were the perfect match. So I think Tifa wasn't in Kingdom Hearts because the developers didn't thought much of her relationship with Cloud. --Terra-0321 (talk) 10:54, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Everything is about pairings eh? Nope, here are facts:
"Q. On what kind of basis did you choose the FF characters?
A. In a way, we selected characters that are on demand. We considered from both fans and the staff's opinions and it all ends with just characters that are highly on demand.
Q. And Tifa from FFVII showed up.
A. In fact, back when we were working on KH:FM, some of the staff members wanted to have Tifa show up. They said "Battling with Tifa would be fun, in a melee sense" and originally wanted to add both Sephiroth and Tifa (into KH:FM) but due to tight schedules, we could only go with one character so we inserted Sephiroth into KH:FM. Because of that, we decided to let Tifa show up in this game. When we were recording the voices for KHII, coincidentally they were also doing the recording for FFVII:AC so somehow we end up doing "Today we record FFVII:AC, tomorrow KHII"... (laugh) The voices were recorded in the same flow so I'm glad about that." Danseru-kun (talk) 12:15, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
There are nicer ways to disagree with people, you know. Uh, who actually said all of the above, by the way? Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 12:28, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
It's amazing how some people can take a three year old question and turn it into a goddamn shipping debate, huh? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:35, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
The source of the interview of Nomura: it's from the KH Ultimania I believe. Danseru-kun (talk) 13:42, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

The Big Question Edit

Do you guys think if Cloud and Tifa would ever get married? - --Cb13/ZeroX 13:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Cloud is way too emotionally stunted to be in a romantic relationship with anyone, never mind being able to marry Tifa. Who by the way deserves better. --Marael 23:15, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

TIFA deserves better?!? that's like saying Lois Lane is too good for Superman... Just because she's good looking doesn't automatically mean that she's to good for him. She's not interesting at all, she is pretty much useless and she's nothing but appeasing eye candy for lonely gamers. She's only there to make Cloud look good. Cloud's the one who deserves better... Jayking116 (talk) 07:50, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Year of Crisis Core? Edit

I noticed in the article that the year given for Before Crisis/Crisis Core was 0002. I was wondering is that deliberate and if not would anyone mind if I change that? It looks like someone was watching a mirrored video of the opening of Crisis Core and took the information from there. I figured it warranted a post. --Marael 23:37, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Nibelheim Incident occurs in 0002 as according to the Ultimania timeline - here. DoreikuKuroofangu 23:54, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
Seriously? I played the game and it showed that it's supposed to be 2000 on Crisis Core. Well, alright. As long as there's empirical proof then I'll leave it alone. Marael 23:00, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
It's only 2000 (well, 0000) in the first two parts or so. Crisis Core takes place over about 7 years. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:57, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Tifa "Most famous woman in videogame history" Edit

...says who? Probably some fanboy, I'd wager. I've removed it because it's an uncited opinion, without stating where that opinion has come from. If there was a poll out there asking who the most famous woman in videogame history, and thousands of people voted for Tifa, even then, it wouldn't belong in "Appearance and Personality". It would belong under Trivia. In fact one similar piece of Trivia is included there. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 16:11, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

She's up there, but Laura Croft is probably more famous. Chun Li too. AmbieSushi 16:38, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Abandoned class system?Edit

I apologize if I'm wrong but wasn't Tifa originally going to be a new job class called blaster? It made an appearance in 13 as Ravager in the English version. I didn't dream reading that somewhere did I? 10:11, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Injuries Edit

Many fan fiction writers have taken the liberty of using the 'injuries' Tifa sustained from her encounter with Sephiroth as her being slashed by him in the Nibel reactor(I'm guessing here, but wasn't she IN Nibelheim during the whole explosion thing Sephiroth did after leaving the mansion?). Was it ever confirmed in the Ultimania that she sustained a serious enough wound from Sephiroth to have her scar or was the game text merely implying that itwas a combination of all the nights events?

Fighting style? Edit

Hey guys, more out of sheer curiosity than anything but I was wondering do we know what fighting style Tifa is using? It looks a bit like a mix between Tae Kwon Do and Karate but I'm not too sure since I don't practice either styles. Has Square Enix ever said anything about this or is this one of those things they didn't think was important enough to put in the character profile? If that's the case please do say so, but if anyone has any idea about the answer do reply. Thanks! --Marael (talk) 21:56, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

It's definitely not either TKD or Karate. I would more inclined to say that her fighting style isn't based on anything, literally. The Monk class has always been defined by a lack of weapons, a proficiency in barehanded or gloved weapons, and in an RPG, that's really all they need to differentiate that character. FF Monks like Tifa, Yang, Sabin and Snow don't have fighting styles because simply, they don't to go that deep into detail. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:18, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
If you need a name for the fighting style monks use in the series, I'd suggest "Punching things until they stop moving". -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:26, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

The High Affection HW Scene confirmed Edit

The 25th Anniversary Ultimania had this in Tifa's memorial scene:

The Fateful Night the Two Share An event near the time of the final battle with Sephiroth, where Cloud and Tifa stay at the airship Highwind together. With this possibly being the end — an evening overcome with a flood of feelings becomes something special.

Japanese text: ふたりで過ごした運命の一夜 セフィロスとの決戦を間近にひかえ、クラウドとふたりきりで飛空艇ハイウインドにとどまったティファ。これで最後かもしれない——万感の想いがこまった一夜は特別なものに 。


And Tifa's Memorial Words:

"Words aren’t the only thing that tell people what you’re thinking…” Prairie: The last night before the final battle, to Cloud when he finds himself at a loss for words

Caption: For many years, Cloud and Tifa have been holding favor for one another. At last facing the impending final battle with Sephiroth, they confirm together their feelings of desire towards one another Japanese text: 長年、互いに好意を抱いていたティファとクラウド。セフィロスとの最終決戦を目前にようやく、相手を求める気持ちを確かめ合えた。


The Low Affection version was not mentioned at all in this Ultimania unlike all the four dates being mentioned. Danseru-kun (talk) 07:23, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Memorial Ultimanias simply mention memorable moments throughout the series. It does not make or break canon by what it chooses to include as memorable and what it does not choose to include as memorable. The date scenes are primarily memorable because of the choices offered the player as to who to go on a date with, whereas the Northern Crater scene is memorable in and of itself. It should be obvious that since the book mentions all four date scenes, which cannot possibly ALL be canon at the same time, that the Memorial Ultimania is not concerned with what is canon and what is not, only with what are memorable moments for the player. Espritduo (talk) 14:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Generally extended versions of scenes are canon. And HA Highwind scene basically is just an extended scene. There also other things that reference the scene but there's nothing we can objectively use to say "it is canon".
Unless SE straight-up say "it happened", or reference said scene an additional canon media, then we can't say anything.
It's not worth thinking about. Just remove all mention of "we don't know which is canon" because we'll never know which is canon, or there is no canon, and it doesn't matter if they don't mention it again. It's just an optional scene. 14:31, February 17, 2013 (UTC)


The fact is that the HAHW scene had been referenced exclusively without the mention of the LA scene in various media.
  • The HAHW scene's script is the only one included in the Memorial Album Script when all four dates are mentioned
  • The HAHW scene is in the FFVII story playback in 10th AU without mention of the LA scene, it also used the the HAHW scene screenshot along with the line "confirming feelings"
  • The HAHW scene is listed as four of the FFVII's Most Impressive Scenes, that even include Aerith's death
  • "Words aren't the only way" is Tifa's Dissidia line at her EX Burst as well as her unlockable secret line
  • The FTOIL page lists Cloud and Tifa in a romantic moment regardless of what version is canon unlike the date not being specified
  • The phrase in Cloud and Tifa's profiles indicating that they exchanged a a romantic moment is the same phrase used for Squall/Rinoa, Steiner/Beatrix, Celes/Locke and Tidus/Yuna. Reference:

Those are only a few of more evidences of the HAHW scene happening. If it's the same as the date scene, it should have been given the same treatment. Even though it's optional, there is every reason to believe that these evidences are explicitly saying what version happened.

Danseru-kun (talk) 03:28, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Just because the HAHW scene is mentioned more doesn't make it canon. Preferential treatment doesn't necessarily = canon.

SE has confirmed three times that Cloud and Tifa are only an optional romantic couple that depends on Tifa’s affection level with Cloud. This is determined by the Date Mechanism. Here are the three official SE quotes:

“After stopping Hojo from going amuck, the conversation with Tifa before they rush into the Northern Crater diverges into two conditions, according to Tifa’s affection rating with Cloud. When it gets low, the conversation in the scene that they spend the night will be apathetic and ends short. Next morning in the cockpit, Tifa says “Were you listening?” and stamps on tiptoe. On the other hand, when degree gets higher, the conversation of the scene that they spend the night will have strong emotions. Next morning in the cockpit, Tifa will say “Were you watching?” and feels terribly shy” ~page 198, Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega

“Deviation – Two versions of the conversation before the final battle Prior to the final battle, the contents of the conversation between Cloud and Tifa can change depending on the degree of Tifa’s affection. If the degree of affection is high, the contents of the two’s conversation will involve deep subject matter and strong feelings for each other. As well, the sight of the two seen by their companions the next morning will lead to an embarrassing scene for Tifa, and she blushes greatly.” ~page 232, Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Ultimania

“Another event is when the party was dismissed and after everyone left for their own places separately, Cloud and Tifa spent the night together. At that moment,according to Tifa’s affection rating with Cloud, the event of “dialogues exchanged between them from dusk to dawn” and “Tifa’s reaction and lines when she found out that everyone might see (or hear) that circumstance” will be different.” ~FFVII Dismantled, page 201—Preceding unsigned comment added by FourGoodLuckCharms (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

So Square Enix contradicted themselves. It wouldn't be the first time. C A T U S E 05:37, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Mention of deviation does not mean no canon outcome. It is indeed a fact that the LA scene has been mentioned along with the HA scene in three separate occasions but what a player gets in a game is not necessarily what happens in the story. It's also a fact that an official script and a story playback feature only the HAHW scene as well as the phrase used is in the characters' profiles, which are entirely non-optional use the same Japanese phrase as other canon couples. The fact that SE needed to mention deviations and show what version happened is not contradictory at all.
I will leave the judgement to whoever is in charge of this page, I believe in the neutrality of this wiki, and by neutrality it means looking at facts rather than not trying to make others upset. I believe I have given a sufficient evidence that the HAHW scene is canon,or , Cloud and Tifa had a romantic moment the same as Squall/Rinoa, Celes/Locke, Steiner/Beatrix and Tidus/Yuna.

Danseru-kun (talk) 10:20, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody's in charge of the page, or, the community together is in charge of the page. I just think it's better not to assert it as canon as there are two ways you can play the scene, and in future FFVII games it has not been touched on again. Reader is free to think it is canon or not, their call.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:35, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
If nobody's in charge then it is understandable not to make an edit confirming the HAHW scene, the omission of the line "it's ambiguous what version is canonical" is already a good step. It's a good decision to let the audience decide, but wikis are also supposed to show facts like when SE decided to summarize their game in a script and in a playback, only the HAHW scene is shown. But again, as nobody is in charge of this, it's better to let things be.

Danseru-kun (talk) 14:07, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

You could add a mention of these other sources where the longer scene also appears, without saying it means canon. Readers can draw their own conclusions.
Although...even if Cloud and Tifa TOTALLY DID IT then it still doesn't mean Cloud loves Tifa over Aeris. Aeris is dead after all, what's a guy supposed to do, be alone forever? ;)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:27, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Dunno man, I'm an admin of another wikia (Guilty Gear) but I feel I don't deserve to make an edit in another one, as if I'm tampering with their territory, that's why I kinda hoped there was someone in charge here. And why is Aeris brought in this? Nothing in the HAHW scene tells about Aeris, fans only makes interpretations that the version of the HW scene can gives the player option of Cloud preferring Aeris or Tifa over the other when SE never said anything like that. And I'm not saying Cloud and Tifa had sex, I'm saying SE is deliberate in stating they had a moment of revelation of romantic feelings towards one another the same way as Squall/Rinoa, Steiner/Beatrix, Tidus/Yuna and Locke/Celes if you checked the link I gave:

Danseru-kun (talk) 15:37, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well that's the "controversy" of making it canon isn't it. SE wants to keep the love triangle outcome ambiguous because both camps have their fanbases. Though some love triangle I say since one party dies. XPKeltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:08, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Well if they had wanted to keep it as ambiguous as before maybe they should have not listed Cloud and Tifa's names under a page where romantic love is displayed that shows all other romantic couples and fail to list Aerith's name. People just make conclusions that because it's an optional scene and Aerith's date is pictured there means it invalidates the fact that the page lists Cloud and Tifa and doesn't give a shit about the version just saying they confirmed their romantic feelings. I can't believe shippers use a small footnote mentioning a deviation at a redirect page hundreds of pages away to automatically falsify what the page about romance say. What's funny is that Celes/Locke's confession is also entirely optional but nobody questions it.
I'm against the wiki saying this pair is canon or what-not, it's not my goal. I simply want to state the fact that the HAHW happened. None of what I'm doing invalidates any feelings Cloud has for Aerith, the biggest misconception is that the love triangle only has "one winner" when in reality proofs for both ere mutually exclusive. Evidence for both women doesn't mean no answers, people continue to believe for convenience's sake that if this pair has an evidence, it means it cancels the validity of the other so "none is canon." Whataver Cloud feels for Aerith does not negate the amount of evidence of the canon HAHW scene and vice versa.

Danseru-kun (talk) 23:42, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Combine Itadaki Street sections Edit

I just looked up Itadaki Street to try and fill those sections in. It's only released in Japan, which makes it a lot harder to do so. Apparently it's now called Fortune Street or something. Anyway, the games are so similar I just feel like keeping them as separate sections is a bit of a waste. "Kingdom Hearts series" is used on Cloud's page. Could we merge the Itadaki Street sections into one? Or merge as "Fortune Street"? (btw why do their pages on the wiki not even link to one another)--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 18:58, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind merging them.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:09, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

ScrewAttack Edit

Anyone think this ScrewAttack death fight business is notable enough for the "Other media" section? (btw nice how they used the info stats from this page)--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 18:48, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I Agree it is, also does anyone here think they can ID Final Fantasy tracks? Freadliest warrior (talk) 19:14, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Also, other FF characters which appeared in ScrewAttack!'s either Death Battle or One Minute Melee include Lighting, Cloud, and Sephiroth, so they should also appear, although I have already more or less covered Light and Cloud's appearances.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:34, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Would it be sufficient to just move what's currently in the trivia section on Tifa's page to the other media one?--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 20:39, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

The "Mach 1" fallacy Edit

Okay, so we're all familiar with the recent Death Battle between Yang vs. Tifa by now I'm hoping. And although I myself could not be more thrilled with the outcome, I think it's worth pointing out that ScrewAttack made a mistake when calculating Tifa's strength using the "mach 1" fallacy from Advent Children.

Before I begin, for those of you who are probably rolling your eyes with disbelief and saying "ScrewAttack does HOURS and HOURS of research, buddy. They would NEVER make a mistake like that" let me just point out that ScrewAttack has in fact made some mistakes in the past. Like in the Guts vs. Nightmare Death Battle they said that Guts' sword was capable of damaging ghosts even though he was using a different sword that he got from the black horseman. And in the Thor vs. Raiden DB they said that Mjolnir was forged out of the core of a dying star and weighs over a million tons and requires someone super powerful in order to wield it. But Mjolnir was actually forged IN the core of a dying star and doesn't weigh that much. According to Marvel, Mjolnir only weighs around 20kgs which is still pretty heavy especially if you're meant to wield it with one hand. But the reason nobody can lift it is because it requires someone who is worthy. Not because it's too heavy. And lastly, in the Master Chief vs. Doomguy DB they made Master Chief take the victory by blocking Doomguy's blast with an energy shield and throwing a plasma grenade at him from the outside. But according to Halo logic, the plasma grenade should of bounced right back and blown him up. So there, ScrewAttack clearly has made some mistakes in the past and it's not uncommon for them to do so even with the masses amount of nerdy research they put into it. So now that we knocked that out of the park, let's get on with the mach 1 fallacy.

Cloud never broke the sound barrier. In order for something to break the sound barrier it must be travelling at least 770 miles per hour. Just look at the speed that Cloud is going while in midair and count how many seconds it takes for him to reach Bahamut (who was also flying towards him at full speed) and how much fall distance he has when he was finished. He obviously wasn't going anywhere NEAR that speed.


Watch that video and compare the speed of all those jets to the speed Cloud is moving while in midair. Not even close. Also, breaking the sound barrier does not emit a glowing effect too. It's supposed to look like a gush of wind followed by a loud, thundering cracking sound (which is referred to as a sonic boom) And it's supposed to emit from his entire body. Not just his front side.

I actually did my own calculations based on the cut scene where it shows Cloud in midair after he defeated Bahamut and you get a view of the city and where Tifa threw him. If you take Cloud's height and put a circle over it and paste it over and over until you reach the point where Cloud currently is, I ended up with 34 circles. So if we take Cloud's height (5' 7") and multiply that by 34 we get 193.8. And if we count how long Cloud was in the air for until he reached him without any interruptions or slow scenes for dramatic effect, it took him 25 seconds to reach Bahamut. So Cloud flew 193.8 feet in the course of 25 seconds. Now, how many miles per hour is that? 5.328 by my calculations... But I may have made a mistake somewhere so I'm going to say 53.28 miles per hour seeing as how the fastest man alive can run at least 28 miles per hour. But still, that's not even CLOSE to breaking the sound barrier. You'd think before ScrewAttack made an assumption like that they would bother to actually analyse the scene more closely but apparently not.

After doing some of my own investigating, I have come to the conclusion that the aura that was emitting from Cloud while he was traveling in midair was some of his own magic which was intended to shield him from the blast. Since he is infused with Mako, he is magic by nature. He is seen using a similar power up several times throughout the movie too. Mainly to increase his speed and strength. So it's not too much of a stretch to assume he can use this power to defend himself too. Think for a minute why there's a good reason Cloud was able to sustain most of Bahamut's blast while flying in midair. If he can't survive a single explosion, then how can he survive a blast that big from a monstrous foe like that? Simple, he was defending himself. And before you go out on a limb and say "well, it's never explained what it is exactly so we can't just assume that it was magic" Cloud's other use of magic in the movie is never explained as well but it is clearly magic. Your not going to sell me that him emitting a blue aura was just some bizarre occurrence that can be explained with science. Sky Terminal (talk) 03:17, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

My response. DrakeyC (talk) 03:42, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
... Real nice bro ._. Sky Terminal (talk) 03:56, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
After that wall of text, that's the best you have? :( DrakeyC (talk) 03:58, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, how someone so half-witted and nonchalant like you became such a high tier raking admin on this wiki is beyond my realm of understanding...Sky Terminal (talk) 04:54, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure a lot of things about the world are beyond your understanding. DrakeyC (talk) 04:56, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
Is this seriously the kind of behavior that is acceptable by admins on this wiki? Is this seriously the kind of example you want to be setting? If so, then this wiki is seriously whack as hell and is in serious need of a few re-adjustments. They need to select their admins more cautiously next time so they don't end up with any uneducated swines like you making a bad image of them. Sky Terminal (talk) 05:08, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
While you are absolutely correct that this wiki is whack as hell, I'm pretty sure that the choice of admins — made at Final Fantasy Wiki:Requests for Promotion — is not the problem. The process is overseen by ScatheMote and Yuanchosaan, both of whom have been around for long enough that we can rest assured that they know what they are doing, and would not ever support someone who abuses newcomers. Still, if you take exception to wiki admins, they are the ones to complain to.
Also, we already know that the laws of the universe mean nothing. Do not take anyone seriously if they assume the axioms of physics hold. Cat (meowhunt) 05:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I didn't mean for that to be taken literally. I'm not trying to start a revolution or anything, I'm just mad about my personal problem. I don't appreciate being picked on and harassed by an admin of this wiki. Admin or not, his/her actions are completely unjustified. Where in the wiki's rules does it say "if nobody cares, don't post it."? If he/she didn't have anything nice to say, then he/she shouldn't of said anything at all. Sky Terminal (talk) 05:35, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

You posted a 5,000 byte wall of text sparked by a Death Match video to complain about their methods and their errors in presuming Tifa threw Cloud hard enough to break the sound barrier. I posted a joke video that, likely more accurately than you'd care to admit, implies no one really cares. Death Match is for entertainment, for fun. That you take it so seriously as to post such a response criticizing them is silly. You then had a very lame response that genuinely disappointed me, and followed that up with direct insults. Since you're now calling the integrity of the Wiki and my fellow admins into question, though, allow me to respond seriously.

"Is this seriously the kind of behavior that is acceptable by admins on this wiki?" - Yes, because we have a sense of humor, as Catuse's links and many other examples of the Wiki will show. We don't take ourselves too seriously, a trait you seem bereft of, unfortunately.
"Is this seriously the kind of example you want to be setting?" - I question what kind of automatons visit our website with intent to copy our behaviors, unable to form their own personalities and desires. We are not parents, teachers, or babysitters. We have no impressionable young children with us. We set an example for no one.
"If so, then this wiki is seriously whack as hell and is in serious need of a few re-adjustments." - Considering you've been a member of the Wiki for several months and have done precisely nothing of value, I question what sort of "re-adjustments" you could suggest that would be worth consideration.
"They need to select their admins more cautiously next time so they don't end up with any uneducated swines like you making a bad image of them." - Our admins are selected very cautiously, in fact it was years before I became an admin here, and we often hesitate to promote users that have problematic attitudes or are not experienced enough around the Wiki.
"I don't appreciate being picked on and harassed by an admin of this wiki." - You are not being picked on or harassed. I'm not in the interest of personal attacks.
"Where in the wiki's rules does it say "if nobody cares, don't post it."?" - No where. In fact I never said you shouldn't post this. However, I am about to.
"If he/she didn't have anything nice to say, then he/she shouldn't of said anything at all." - Your entire original post was complaining about Death Match. By this logic, you never should have started this conversation at all, or replied to me in the manner you have so far.

In summary - learn to take a joke, kid, and climb off that high horse before you fall and hurt yourself. Yeesh. DrakeyC (talk) 05:41, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

"I posted a joke video that, likely more accurately than you'd care to admit, implies no one really cares." No matter how much you try to undermine the truth, no matter how you present it; telling somebody that nobody cares is about the most hostile thing you can possibly do. To add to your unprovoked aggression, you also immediately followed it up by asking me if that's the best I could do. Responding to my non-aggression in such a hostile matter.
"Death Match is for entertainment, for fun." The fact that you think it's called "Death Match" just proves you know absolutely nothing about that show. Don't defend something unless you're familiar with it.
"You then had a very lame response that genuinely disappointed me" What are you, fucking 8?
"Yes, because we have a sense of humor, as Catuse's links and many other examples of the Wiki will show. We don't take ourselves too seriously, a trait you seem bereft of, unfortunately." I would of laughed, if it was funny. Your "sense of humor" appears to be the equivalent of snake vomit.
"I question what kind of automatons visit our website with intent to copy our behaviors, unable to form their own personalities and desires." Words of an inexperienced rat granted a power far beyond him.
"Considering you've been a member of the Wiki for several months and have done precisely nothing of value, I question what sort of "re-adjustments" you could suggest that would be worth consideration." How ironic is it that the first time I do post something on this wiki you scold me and tell me that nobody cares? Yeah, you're REALLY encouraging me to take a more active part in contributing to this wiki xD
"Our admins are selected very cautiously, in fact it was years before I became an admin here, and we often hesitate to promote users that have problematic attitudes or are not experienced enough around the Wiki." They obviously made a serious error in judgement. As Catuse pointed out, that is not as uncommon as one would perceive.
"I'm not in the interest of personal attacks." -"I'm sure a lot of things about the world are beyond your understanding." Yeah, says you xD
"Your entire original post was complaining about Death Match. By this logic, you never should have started this conversation at all, or replied to me in the manner you have so far." My entire comment was complaining about Death BATTLE. This is a series that is completely unrelated to FF whatsoever. And I did it in a very civil, non-hostile way which was intended to spark actual interesting conversations about the character's actual feats and equations. You reacting the way you did is the equivalent of holding a gun to a persons head and then saying "jk" afterwards.
In summary - Grow up, start acting responsibly and get a better sense of humor. Yeesh. Sky Terminal (talk) 06:58, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Death battleEdit

I'm going to put the reasons why the yang vs tifa death battle was rigged.

other then the fact they made Tifa weaker and Yang stronger and added stuff that was not in ff7. Yang lost her arm and has lost to other characters that are weak. this is one of the blogs that shows why the battle was unfair

they also change the way the Minerva Band works. and here are some more links

and in final fantasy dissidia she can hold her ground against the other characters some of witch are gods and some have killd gods. Yang has never been at that level and she lost her arm and was defeated in one hit.

and at the time the death battle was made screwattack had just become partners with the show that Yang comes from and it was not far from a new season.

they also left out a lot of the magic spells and the summons have also been left out. and they left out the fact that all it takes for yang to lose her Semblance is one powerful hit.*********************

It's fair to think that it wasn't that fair a battle and I'd agree it was but I don't think that this is really relevant to the page much. All it's meant to say is that she was in a fan-made battle and lost in it. Adding that she was arguably portrayed as weaker in the battle and listing reasons why is fair.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 11:20, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

Stoping putting Rwby stuff in the tifa fanpage its about her not RWBY. I foyu want to edit stop like that do it to there wiki page. It doesnt follow the guidelines and its unessary. iS everytime any show anyhere even remotely says the word tifa is it suppose to be there Keep the page about Tifa spread the Rwby stuff on ther own page. Those fanboys treat everyone else work like shit its unselteing to see them here. That DB did nothing for here character and treated her more lie a promotional stepping stone then as a combanet. Also stoping editing the trivia page becuz again it has nothing to do with her

Anything related to Tifa belongs to this page, everything made by Square Enix, and fanmade things too if considered notable enough. Personally, I don't really understand what that trivia is even trying to say, and its inclusion appears dubious to me. The fandom bits about ScrewAttack's Death Battle and Monty Oum stuff is legit though.
If you just delete stuff from articles without leaving a note as to why, it is interpreted as a bad faith edit and reverted. We can't just have people removing things because they don't like them.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:29, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Ah then i must aplogize i didnt no how to leave a note or anything i ma a tad new at this and was acting out in contempt I am very sorry.

Although i ill dont see the purpose or the reason for including that RWBy stuff in her trvia part, like Why it has legit almost nothing to do withher and it does seem out of place

NOTE. I removed the RWBY thing from the trivia page because it seemed unneeded. The scene in specific just look similar and had nothing to do with FF or Tifa. I also added the part about TFS machinabridged project. However i couldn't add a link or a video due to a lack of knowledge. Would that belong more in the Fandom page or the Trivia one