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i'm actual quite impressed with this artical, its the best one ive read although i havent really read that many but its not bad ... but isnt good either somewhere inbetween. there is a lot of information on offer here, wish it were more readible. in some cases there is hardy any information on subject matter, on may occassion the subject is suddenly changed as aparent as a butterfly dancing from flower to flower. psp
[edit] Squall's Alive?
Theres no proof at the end that Squall is actually alive, the only person who sees him in the end is Rinoa, when the video camera looks over to the balcony only one door is open. And when Rinoa finds Squall, we do not see him awaken. --Kaluriel 22:38, 03 January 2008 (UTC)
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| Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping...
TALK - 22:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I suppose that is a possibility, but I think the intention is to show that Squall did, indeed, live.
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - 14:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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| The proof is in the mood of the characters. Particularly they way Selphie points the camera over to Rinoa as if it would be fun to watch what might happen over there. The mood would be entirely different if they were about to film some poor girl's delusion.
If we think about angles Selphie would be able to see Squall from where she was. Also Angelo might be able to see but the arguement against Angelo is that it might just have easily just been there for Rinoa.
Thirdly, if you think back on the theory of how they were planning to survive the time-compression then there is no reason Squall would not have survived as soon as Rinoa entered the scene. The power of love and belief blah blah...
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| BlueHighwind Q?
TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ:
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| I like to think that he actually died on Disc 1, and that the rest of the game was a horrible illusion created for eternal punishment down in Hell (thus the Edea is good part). Really we have no proof that Squall actually survived Edea's "Ice" Spell.
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| Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names.
TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}}
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| Actually, i quit after Disc 2..... I like BH idea better.
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| AuronKaizer - Forever better than the rest.
TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}
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| Well actually, the plot is a bit strange because they had to release it early due to having to start making a game about magical stones and homosexuals on a journey throughout an uninspired country.
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| BlueHighwind Q?
TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ:
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| What? That doesn't make any sense. If you through a "not" in there you may have gotten in a good rip on all the games from FFI - FFVII, however now its totally meaningless, Kaizer. Better luck next time.
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[edit] Griever on the blade And the GF Griever
I don't think those two should be connected.
I don't believe it is ever established in the
game that the two are the same. Although they
probably ARE, thats just speculation. 142.161.92.196 03:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Since when is Griever a GF? To my knowledge, you can't summon it. That's like saying Alexander is a legit Eidolon and that Yura is a legit Esper. You can't summon them, right? Crazyswordsman 05:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Griever is summoned by Ultimecia in the final battle, and she actually calls it "the Ultimate Guardian Force"... Also, I seem to recall Squall saying something about Griever, just about the time you get to name it for his blade (just can't remember the exact words). But no matter how you twist and turn it, Griever is a GF (some speculate that it was the one Squall found as a kid and gave Ellone before she left), though you only get to fight it as an enemy and the ring, necklace and chain on the blade (by the same name) are all "references" to that GF. P.S. wether or not you can summon them is totally beside the point, FFIX Alexander still belong to the race of Eidolons and Yura to that of Espers. Just because they can't be (command) summoned in battle doesn't exactly mean they are not summons at all. If that was the case, FFVIII Odin and Gilgamesh also wouldn't be "legit" summons, since the just "randomly" pop up --Hecko X 06:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- It sure is established. Whatever you name Squall's ring and necklace, ends up as Ultimecia's GF's name, though you may consider it out-of-dialogue proof. But Scanning enemy Griever gives you the description "In Squall's mind, the strongest GF". Why would a totally unrelated to anything else GF suddenly pop out in Squall's mind? There is a hypothesis based on that that it isn't even a 'real' GF, but more like Ultimecia giving a physical form to Squall's thoughts. She was able to steal magic, wasn't she? IIRC, Squall doesn't say anything about Griever as a GF when naming it, though, he only describes it as a lion. 216.224.121.141 19:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Same goes for everyone. All playable characters can steal magic using the Draw command, and what Ultimecia did is pretty much the same like when the player draws GFs from enemies e.g. Pandemona from Fujin.--Goldberry2000 22:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I believe that griever is a GF,not only bcoz Ulti. says that but also bcoz the whole storyline...if this is it then squall had junctioned this gf as a kid (which explains the 255% accuracy from the beggining)anyway whatever--Aqmaster 07:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I'm probably wrong, but
Isn't his last name Lionheart?
- Nope. That's just his ultimate weapon. --Crazyswordsman 07:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- His last name's Leonheart.--Aqmaster 07:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
ITs actually Leonhart.
[edit] Height
Is he really 5ft 8? does it say that in the manual? I know the Japanese make the heros shorter than the western average, but on Seifer's page it says that he is 6 ft 2! thats a huge difference, but you dont notice it while playing do you? Its not really that important, but it bothered me. Thom32 22:14, 8 march 2007, (GMT)
- I noticed a difference. --Crazyswordsman 22:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Seifer definately strikes me as significantly taller in the FMV fight scene at the beginning.--Goldberry2000 22:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- ...And in the fights with him. --Crazyswordsman 22:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Bloody emo midget. --Auron Kaizer 23:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, nevermind then. Squall is too short though. Thom32 09:54, 9 march 2007, (GMT)
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - 09:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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| ... You do know he's taller than Cloud right? Cloud doesn't seem the short that your refering to in Advent Children.
Then again, if we compare this to american heroes Seifer is the same size as Batman (6' 2"). Superman is 6' 3"
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- Let's also recall that Sephiroth is shorter than Seifer by one inch, and Laguna is taller than Squall by one inch. Anyway, I have heard that Nomura is 5'7 - Cloud's height - so it doesn't seem all that odd that he makes his heroes the same approximate height as himself. As for Seifer and Sephiroth - well they're enemy characters, enemies have to be striking and the first thing that'd make a character striking is to make them tall. Though Seifer being taller than Seph amuses me. --Mimi Sardinia 14:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Well theres an age difference of 1 year with Squall and Seifer, that might cause a little of the height difference... --Zinos
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| Xepscern - Aerith isn't coming back, people
TALK - {{{time}}}
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| Wait! How is it that Squall is only 5' 8", yet Ward(who is a HUMAN) is 7'. VIII just got weirder.
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[edit] Perhaps...
I believe that the above image could be replaced with a youtube video, or at least cut down. It makes the page lock up pretty badly during page loadings.--Goldberry2000 13:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sure. I just made it because it was the only way to show it back then. But if you don't mind recording and editing the video, then go right ahead. --Hecko X 14:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Will do. I have an old ripping proggie that I can get the AVI from my disk with. I need to pick the disk up from my buddy's house though; I'll do it about this time tomorrow if nobody does it earlier.--Goldberry2000 14:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hero Source
Hero reference: Squall's profile from the North American FFVIII Manual
- As Hecko said on another talk page, Manuals are not viable sources.--Goldberry2000 21:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Makeover
Which do most ppl think is cooler? Squall original outfit or the one from KH/KH2(the only difference between KH and KH2 is KH2 has the fur collar) THIS ALSO INCLUDES WHICH HAIRSTYLE!
- Personally I like Leon in KH2 and tend to think of him as a model for an older FFVII!Squall. :) --Mimi Sardinia 15:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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| Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 15:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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| I hate both versions on account that the character we're talking about is Squall.
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| FëasindeTalk "In this spheric universe, love is inverse."
05:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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| I was watching the fight with Griever on YouTube a few days ago, because I don't recall having heard Maybe I'm a Lion during the fight as the battle theme; I was correct: the battle theme is a remix of Liberi Fatali. Where does Maybe I'm a Lion play then?
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - Netherith 08:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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| The theme plays during the third phase. When Ultimecia junctions herself to Greiver.
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Pro CSM. - Lost Hero
[edit] Fan favorite?
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| Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 19:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I haven't met a single person who actually liked Squall. I know of people who like gunblades, but they told me Balthier with a gunblade would be the best thing they ever saw.
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| Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks
TALK - 19:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I removed that line now, you just can't back up things like that. Plus I'm sure more people would recognize Cloud than Squall.
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| Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 19:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I'd recognize Cecil, Terra, Cloud, Zidane, Balthier, and even Vaan all over this idiot.
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - 20:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I like Squall. And to back it up all you have to do is count the number of times he has appeared in other media, which is up there with Cloud and Sephiroth. He is a fan favorite wether you want him to be or not.
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| Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 23:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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| Something can be in a lot of things for the purposes of unpopularity. Squall is just well known. Well known and well liked are completely different. You, sir, are lucky enough to be one of his few fans. From what I understand they had a huge debate at Wikipedia over this.
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| DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity."
TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother?
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| Example to support CSM's "side" of the "debate": Hitler is well known. He has had fictional versions of him appear in many mediums of entertainment. He has also had many books written about him and movies made about him. His life story is taught to almost every school student in the world. Look at all his "appearences." Would you say he is well liked because he is so well known and recognized, like Squall. And before you say this is diffrent, think about it.
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| FëasindeTalk "In this spheric universe, love is inverse."
02:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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| Goodwin's law.
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| Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping...
TALK - 03:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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| Aww... Faethin beat me to it. :(
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - 06:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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| Geh, whatever. Can I have a link to this Goodwin's law?
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| Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping...
TALK - 06:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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| You ask, I give. ^_^
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| FëasindeTalk "In this spheric universe, love is inverse."
15:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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| And just for fun.
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| Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names.
TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}}
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| What about Stalin or Saddam Hussien? Both very similar to Hitler. My personal loophole to Goodwin's law is instead of calling them a Nazi, instead call them a commie. Less potent but more weight of an insult
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[edit] Birthday
[edit] Squall
Alot of people hate him because hes emo and whatever.But he wanted to appear emo because he thought it would be better.I think he would have been a great charcter if he was his normal self.Moogle king 21:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- I think people use the word Emo too loosely with Squall. Cloud was a more of a defined Emo than Squall was. If you look back to Squall, he just never voiced any of his emotions. He wanted to be a cold, static, Soldier. He felt the pain from loosing the person closest to him as a kid, and the fact that he was an orphan. He knew that people die, and he didn't want that pain, so he cold-shouldered everyone around him so they wouldn't want to be near him, this way they wouldn't connect. If something happened to that person, and they were no longer in his life, then he wouldn't feel hurt. Now, after years of his life doing this, he gets put in charge of groups, and paired with people who don't want to take his cold tone and continue to strive inward, so he finally starts to want to change, and thus, has conflict with himself. This isn't really Emo, just a personal growth. Squall was caring for his team-mates, and even people he didn't know as he grew in the game, revealing more of his real personality, like Moogle King said, would be more likeable. ~ Matty
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| Squallinoa_08 - ""Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our perspectives that separate us."
TALK - IDK? sometime around 9 pm.
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| OMG! So like Squall is more Emo than Cloud? F*** DAT! Cloud to me is the definition of FF Emoism. I mean did you see him in Advent Children? He look like an Emo crybaby with a bad life. Cloud basically hates himself and doesn't seem to care bout things anymore, until the end of Advent Children. I don't blame him, but god, he look like a total Emo mess. Thats why I like Zack & Squall better than him cuz Zack never cries and he's always there for others. Squall sometimes like Cloud, but at least he did hero stuff, like saving Rinoa twice in the game. Cloud never saved Aerith from dying and that pissed me off. Sorry Cloud fans, I like Cloud, but there are somethings I hate bout him.
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Correction: Zack did cry, when he defeated his mentor Angeal. of course Angeal was one of his best friends- a comrade to be sure. "Men do not cry for themselves but for their comrades"
[edit] The Oath as Squall's theme
It is mentioned in the article that the Oath is a recurring theme in "Squall moments".
One could add a side note that "The Oath" is also very suitable for Squall's theme since Squall made a promise (or a vow, an oath) to himself not to create emotional bonds with people.
However, "The Oath" is played when Fujin talks sense to Seifer aboard the Lunatic Pandora, but I think it refers to Fujin & Raijin's words ("We were a posse") in a way that they made a promise (again, an oath) to be a posse, to be together.
These are not too much of new info, but I just thought it would be worth mentioning the relation between the musical piece and Squall's own oath - it may even be the source for the name of the song ^^ --User:Dramirth
[edit] Earring
He has at least one earring, on his left ear - a silver stud, you can see it in the profile picture. Perhaps we should state this fact in appearance?
[edit] Expansion
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| Ser Blue says at 07:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| On a friendly note, be a fan, not a fanboy. On a more technical note, some information here could be expanded on its respective article, such as the detailed technical description of his limit breaks :D Also, should stick with in-game info most of the time.
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - 10:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Aren't Featured Articles somewhat protected against anon editing? AbsoluteHart7296 and 67.181.60.248 please explain what you two think you are doing?
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Nope. FAs can still be edited by anons. —BLUER一番。 10:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- is it necessary to put the "Skill and abilities" section in there? I've checked other characters page, and they didn't have such section in their page... - SilverSummoner 11:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- I do recommend following the Manual of Style for Characters. Keeps our articles in line and standard. —BLUER一番。 12:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- I know that... uh.. what I mean is that Squall's ability is already described in "in battle" section, no? - SilverSummoner 12:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- Yes. I believe it's not necessary to have a long-winding Skills and abilities section when we already have Abilities/Battle summary sections. —BLUER一番。 12:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Netherith - UBOAR!!:
TALK - 22:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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| Tell that to the rookie. I can reconstruct the page again but the rookie'll just turn it back unless I have some way to protect the page.
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[edit] Fan Favorite, again.
Ehem, I humbly request that his mention as a fan favorite be replaced on the article. I would do it myself but I wish to discuss it with someone who's not sharing my views.
I regard Squall as a fan favorite because, let's face it, all you have to do is type Squall in any search engine and you'll come up with TONS of Fanlistings, Shrines, deviants full of his fanart, fanfiction with him as the central character, pictures of people cosplaying as him, photomanipulations with the official art and many many more things. ERGO, he has a LOT of fans. The fact that he's appeared in so many other games is not due to the fact that he is "well known", it's because he's a fan favorite, and the creators and developers over at Square-enix (or whatever it goes by these days) clearly perceive him as a fan favorite. Otherwise, he would not have been given such a prominent role in KH, Dissidia (as far as we've seen) and other games.
So I humbly ask of other FFwikians with superior ranks or experience to be objective and not fanboys when considering this request. After all, these sites are supposed to be all about reliable information right? And clearly Squall is one of the most well-liked FF characters out there.
Winged Lion 02:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Dozens of FF characters are fan-favorites. Tifa, Cloud, Sephiroth, Balthier, Vincent, Terra, Auron... There's no reason to note something so universal. Drake Clawfang 02:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. Nowhere on Cloud's page does it say that he is a hugely popular character. If we play favorites with one character, people will ask that we do the same with others, and then fanboys, the people you want to avoid, begin to squabble over who should be lauded or not. 8bit 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly what I was checking. Sorry, I was under the impression that fan favorite was a mentioned status in other character's pages, but I've just checked them and proved myself wrong, I suppose I had the urge to put that on here after reading what other users had stated about this status. Thanks for the feedback!Winged Lion 02:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Editing the page...
Someone told me to leave a comment here so I am. We'll probably end up changing it back and forth for the rest of eternity but whatever. You guys like it one way and I want a change. This will never get resolved so I guess we're at an infinite impasse. -AbsoluteHart7296
- Watch the ego. There are those here that can end this 'impasse' quite abruptly. Read your talk page. Netherith 23:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] How come?
I don't get this. How come you can post a really nice article when some comments about Squall I read in this Discussion page was so horrible?69.89.31.124 21:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Freelancer
- The articles themselves have to be neutral and can't reflect the opinions of the actual contributors. That's how a wiki works. Diablocon 21:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I didn't consider that part earlier. So sad to think that people can talk scary things to a really nicely made fictional character, you know, made by someone with all his efforts and all.69.89.31.124 21:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Freelancer
[edit] Eye color
I thought his eye color was blue not gray?
- Look. ScatheMote 23:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
No offense but in some pictures it is a light blue not gray. :P
and in cutscenes from various games Squall has appeared in his eye color is blue.
Looking at the cutscenes, and the drawn icons and such for him, I'd say his eyes are definitely blue, I just think they're more of a dim blue. I would like that to be reconsidered. In response to the first link: Look. Very blue.
