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Japanese TitleEdit

While Squall was given the title "Commander" in the English version, he was given the title "iinchō" (委員長, lit. "Chairman") in the Japanese version. Could I put it down? However, I'm not exactly sure where to put it. The only way I could place it in the article, is if I capitalize the first Commander, put it in Bold text, then use the Nihongo template. --Dethklok91 (talk) 09:12, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

CommentEdit

i'm actual quite impressed with this artical, its the best one ive read although i havent really read that many but its not bad ... but isnt good either somewhere inbetween. there is a lot of information on offer here, wish it were more readible. in some cases there is hardy any information on subject matter, on may occassion the subject is suddenly changed as aparent as a butterfly dancing from flower to flower. psp

Squall's Alive?Edit

Theres no proof at the end that Squall is actually alive, the only person who sees him in the end is Rinoa, when the video camera looks over to the balcony only one door is open. And when Rinoa finds Squall, we do not see him awaken. --Kaluriel 22:38, 03 January 2008 (UTC)

THEN WHERE'S THE PROOF THAT HE'S DEAD?

Proof HAS now come to surface, recently I purchased the PS3 version of final fantasy based on the PS1 format from the PS Store, and guess what? I recently finished the game and SQUALL IS ALIVE!

Now there is, I recently purchased off the PS3 Store final fantasy viii (8) and guess what? At the end it actually shows Squall alive! he hugs Rinoa right at the end, this is not a joke or a prank! HE IS ALIVE! I can guarantee it! they added new footage and it shows him with Rina as they gaze up at the stars on the Balamb Ship then they both smile at each other and fall into an embrace, please spread the word!

Jax

Comment: Wow i cant believe you guys (people below me). If you watch until the end of the credits it shows squall and Rinoa hug after a shooting star goes by in the night sky. I know it dosn't show him when irvine is recording but it does show him after the credits if you watch until the very end. I am amazed that you guys are even having this conversation about him being dead, you should know to always watch until the very end of credits their is usually something afterwards. If you don't believe me and think this is some dumb joke then watch the ending on you tube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDt-EbFslo. It skips the credits after the recording though so normally there would be a few minutes of credits then this extra part at the end. Also I didn't know how to comment so i just threw this in here by editing the page.

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Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping...
TALK - 22:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I suppose that is a possibility, but I think the intention is to show that Squall did, indeed, live.
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- 14:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The proof is in the mood of the characters. Particularly they way Selphie points the camera over to Rinoa as if it would be fun to watch what might happen over there. The mood would be entirely different if they were about to film some poor girl's delusion.
If we think about angles Selphie would be able to see Squall from where she was. Also Angelo might be able to see but the arguement against Angelo is that it might just have easily just been there for Rinoa.

Thirdly, if you think back on the theory of how they were planning to survive the time-compression then there is no reason Squall would not have survived as soon as Rinoa entered the scene. The power of love and belief blah blah...
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TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.:
I like to think that he actually died on Disc 1, and that the rest of the game was a horrible illusion created for eternal punishment down in Hell (thus the Edea is good part). Really we have no proof that Squall actually survived Edea's "Ice" Spell.
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Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names.
TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}}
Actually, i quit after Disc 2..... I like BH idea better.
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AuronKaizer - Monkey chit.
TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}
Well actually, the plot is a bit strange because they had to release it early due to having to start making a game about magical stones and homosexuals on a journey throughout an uninspired country.
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BlueHighwind Q?
TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.:
What? That doesn't make any sense. If you through a "not" in there you may have gotten in a good rip on all the games from FFI - FFVII, however now its totally meaningless, Kaizer. Better luck next time.

Griever on the blade And the GF Griever Edit

I don't think those two should be connected. I don't believe it is ever established in the game that the two are the same. Although they probably ARE, thats just speculation. 142.161.92.196 03:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Since when is Griever a GF? To my knowledge, you can't summon it. That's like saying Alexander is a legit Eidolon and that Yura is a legit Esper. You can't summon them, right? Crazyswordsman 05:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Griever is summoned by Ultimecia in the final battle, and she actually calls it "the Ultimate Guardian Force"... Also, I seem to recall Squall saying something about Griever, just about the time you get to name it for his blade (just can't remember the exact words). But no matter how you twist and turn it, Griever is a GF (some speculate that it was the one Squall found as a kid and gave Ellone before she left), though you only get to fight it as an enemy and the ring, necklace and chain on the blade (by the same name) are all "references" to that GF. P.S. wether or not you can summon them is totally beside the point, FFIX Alexander still belong to the race of Eidolons and Yura to that of Espers. Just because they can't be (command) summoned in battle doesn't exactly mean they are not summons at all. If that was the case, FFVIII Odin and Gilgamesh also wouldn't be "legit" summons, since the just "randomly" pop up --Hecko X 06:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It sure is established. Whatever you name Squall's ring and necklace, ends up as Ultimecia's GF's name, though you may consider it out-of-dialogue proof. But Scanning enemy Griever gives you the description "In Squall's mind, the strongest GF". Why would a totally unrelated to anything else GF suddenly pop out in Squall's mind? There is a hypothesis based on that that it isn't even a 'real' GF, but more like Ultimecia giving a physical form to Squall's thoughts. She was able to steal magic, wasn't she? IIRC, Squall doesn't say anything about Griever as a GF when naming it, though, he only describes it as a lion. 216.224.121.141 19:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Same goes for everyone. All playable characters can steal magic using the Draw command, and what Ultimecia did is pretty much the same like when the player draws GFs from enemies e.g. Pandemona from Fujin.--Goldberry2000 22:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe that griever is a GF,not only bcoz Ulti. says that but also bcoz the whole storyline...if this is it then squall had junctioned this gf as a kid (which explains the 255% accuracy from the beggining)anyway whatever--Aqmaster 07:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm probably wrong, butEdit

Isn't his last name Lionheart?

Nope. That's just his ultimate weapon. --Crazyswordsman 07:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
His last name's Leonheart.--Aqmaster 07:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

ITs actually Leonhart.

HeightEdit

Is he really 5ft 8? does it say that in the manual? I know the Japanese make the heros shorter than the western average, but on Seifer's page it says that he is 6 ft 2! thats a huge difference, but you dont notice it while playing do you? Its not really that important, but it bothered me. Thom32 22:14, 8 march 2007, (GMT)

I noticed a difference. --Crazyswordsman 22:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Seifer definately strikes me as significantly taller in the FMV fight scene at the beginning.--Goldberry2000 22:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
...And in the fights with him. --Crazyswordsman 22:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Bloody emo midget. --Auron Kaizer 23:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, nevermind then. Squall is too short though. Thom32 09:54, 9 march 2007, (GMT)
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- 09:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

... You do know he's taller than Cloud right? Cloud doesn't seem the short that your refering to in Advent Children.

Then again, if we compare this to american heroes Seifer is the same size as Batman (6' 2"). Superman is 6' 3"
Let's also recall that Sephiroth is shorter than Seifer by one inch, and Laguna is taller than Squall by one inch. Anyway, I have heard that Nomura is 5'7 - Cloud's height - so it doesn't seem all that odd that he makes his heroes the same approximate height as himself. As for Seifer and Sephiroth - well they're enemy characters, enemies have to be striking and the first thing that'd make a character striking is to make them tall. Though Seifer being taller than Seph amuses me. --Mimi Sardinia 14:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Well theres an age difference of 1 year with Squall and Seifer, that might cause a little of the height difference... --Zinos

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Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!!
TALK - {{{time}}}
Wait! How is it that Squall is only 5' 8", yet Ward(who is a HUMAN) is 7'. VIII just got weirder.

Perhaps... Edit

Squall Scar

I believe that the above image could be replaced with a youtube video, or at least cut down. It makes the page lock up pretty badly during page loadings.--Goldberry2000 13:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I just made it because it was the only way to show it back then. But if you don't mind recording and editing the video, then go right ahead. --Hecko X 14:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Will do. I have an old ripping proggie that I can get the AVI from my disk with. I need to pick the disk up from my buddy's house though; I'll do it about this time tomorrow if nobody does it earlier.--Goldberry2000 14:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hero SourceEdit

Hero reference: Squall's profile from the North American FFVIII Manual

As Hecko said on another talk page, Manuals are not viable sources.--Goldberry2000 21:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


Makeover Edit

Which do most ppl think is cooler? Squall original outfit or the one from KH/KH2(the only difference between KH and KH2 is KH2 has the fur collar) THIS ALSO INCLUDES WHICH HAIRSTYLE!

Personally I like Leon in KH2 and tend to think of him as a model for an older FFVII!Squall. :) --Mimi Sardinia 15:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
CSM
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 15:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I hate both versions on account that the character we're talking about is Squall.
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FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me."
05:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I was watching the fight with Griever on YouTube a few days ago, because I don't recall having heard Maybe I'm a Lion during the fight as the battle theme; I was correct: the battle theme is a remix of Liberi Fatali. Where does Maybe I'm a Lion play then?
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- Netherith 08:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The theme plays during the third phase. When Ultimecia junctions herself to Greiver.

Pro CSM. - Lost Hero

Fan favorite? Edit

CSM
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 19:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I haven't met a single person who actually liked Squall. I know of people who like gunblades, but they told me Balthier with a gunblade would be the best thing they ever saw.
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Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks
TALK - 19:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed that line now, you just can't back up things like that. Plus I'm sure more people would recognize Cloud than Squall.
CSM
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 19:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd recognize Cecil, Terra, Cloud, Zidane, Balthier, and even Vaan all over this idiot.
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- 20:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I like Squall. And to back it up all you have to do is count the number of times he has appeared in other media, which is up there with Cloud and Sephiroth. He is a fan favorite wether you want him to be or not.
CSM
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6.
TALK - 23:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Something can be in a lot of things for the purposes of unpopularity. Squall is just well known. Well known and well liked are completely different. You, sir, are lucky enough to be one of his few fans. From what I understand they had a huge debate at Wikipedia over this.
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DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity."
TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother?
Example to support CSM's "side" of the "debate": Hitler is well known. He has had fictional versions of him appear in many mediums of entertainment. He has also had many books written about him and movies made about him. His life story is taught to almost every school student in the world. Look at all his "appearences." Would you say he is well liked because he is so well known and recognized, like Squall. And before you say this is diffrent, think about it.
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FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me."
02:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Goodwin's law.
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Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping...
TALK - 03:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Aww... Faethin beat me to it. :(
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- 06:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Geh, whatever. Can I have a link to this Goodwin's law?
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Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping...
TALK - 06:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
You ask, I give. ^_^
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FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me."
15:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
And just for fun.
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DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity."
TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother?
Well, I could of course have used someone else, but Hitler is just so well know and so disliked, he fit this topic perfectly.
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Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names.
TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}}
What about Stalin or Saddam Hussien? Both very similar to Hitler. My personal loophole to Goodwin's law is instead of calling them a Nazi, instead call them a commie. Less potent but more weight of an insult

Wow, did you guys actually have a discussion over whether he is considered a fan favorite or not a few years ago? If he wasn't, he wouldn't have been in KH, I know that much...I never met anyone who DIDN'T like Squall before, actually. Not that I know a ton of FF players but no one ever said they hated him at least. Xelestial (talk) 20:11, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

BirthdayEdit

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DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity."
TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother?
Squall shares his birthday with my maternal grandmother.

Squall Edit

I just wanted to leave a comment regarding the frequent description of Squall as being "emo". To me, the term emo is not synonomous with someone who has a cynical or unhappy outlook on life. A lot of people get depressed who don't deserve to be called emo. Did Squall start the game as a bit of an insensitive jerk? Yes. Does that mean the same as emo? No. If he had spent the whole game crying about his hurt or otherwise drawing attention to his inner turmoil, THAT would have been more emo. However, the only reason we even know about his feelings is because of his internal monologues in the game. The fact is, he doesn't believe in pinning his problems on others. The very concept of the stereotypical whiney emo goes against Squall's belief that everyone has to handle their own problems on the inside, without drawing others into the mix. -Nevada Smith, January 27th, 2010

Alot of people hate him because hes emo and whatever.But he wanted to appear emo because he thought it would be better.I think he would have been a great charcter if he was his normal self.Moogle king 21:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I think people use the word Emo too loosely with Squall. Cloud was a more of a defined Emo than Squall was. If you look back to Squall, he just never voiced any of his emotions. He wanted to be a cold, static, Soldier. He felt the pain from loosing the person closest to him as a kid, and the fact that he was an orphan. He knew that people die, and he didn't want that pain, so he cold-shouldered everyone around him so they wouldn't want to be near him, this way they wouldn't connect. If something happened to that person, and they were no longer in his life, then he wouldn't feel hurt. Now, after years of his life doing this, he gets put in charge of groups, and paired with people who don't want to take his cold tone and continue to strive inward, so he finally starts to want to change, and thus, has conflict with himself. This isn't really Emo, just a personal growth. Squall was caring for his team-mates, and even people he didn't know as he grew in the game, revealing more of his real personality, like Moogle King said, would be more likeable. ~ Matty
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Squallinoa_08 - ""Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our perspectives that separate us."
TALK - IDK? sometime around 9 pm.
OMG! So like Squall is more Emo than Cloud? F*** DAT! Cloud to me is the definition of FF Emoism. I mean did you see him in Advent Children? He look like an Emo crybaby with a bad life. Cloud basically hates himself and doesn't seem to care bout things anymore, until the end of Advent Children. I don't blame him, but god, he look like a total Emo mess. Thats why I like Zack & Squall better than him cuz Zack never cries and he's always there for others. Squall sometimes like Cloud, but at least he did hero stuff, like saving Rinoa twice in the game. Cloud never saved Aerith from dying and that pissed me off. Sorry Cloud fans, I like Cloud, but there are somethings I hate bout him.

Correction: Zack did cry, when he defeated his mentor Angeal. of course Angeal was one of his best friends- a comrade to be sure. "Men do not cry for themselves but for their comrades"


Back then when I played this I liked Squall because of his "I don't give a damn" issues... kinda cool back than but today everyone interpretates this as "emo"... while I'm really not sure what to think about "emos" I'd rather stay away from such a way of living. But I can't see where Squall would be part of such a behaveiour pattern. But oh well, when everyone says it, it must be true ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.221.17.68 (talk) 22:20, February 24, 2010. Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

Not everything you read on the internet is true, and the unintelligent masses like to put everything into small, clear-cut categories. Based on the textbook definition of "emo", Squall is on the opposite end of the scale; he shows no emotions. - File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori (T / C) - 20:08, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm like 4 years late but wanted to add that the beginning of the game Squall was quite far from emo, as emo means emotional and usually whiny. He was most cold, silent, loner-esque and occasionally angsty. Xelestial (talk) 20:14, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

The Oath as Squall's themeEdit

It is mentioned in the article that the Oath is a recurring theme in "Squall moments". One could add a side note that "The Oath" is also very suitable for Squall's theme since Squall made a promise (or a vow, an oath) to himself not to create emotional bonds with people. However, "The Oath" is played when Fujin talks sense to Seifer aboard the Lunatic Pandora, but I think it refers to Fujin & Raijin's words ("We were a posse") in a way that they made a promise (again, an oath) to be a posse, to be together.

These are not too much of new info, but I just thought it would be worth mentioning the relation between the musical piece and Squall's own oath - it may even be the source for the name of the song ^^ --User:Dramirth

Earring Edit

He has at least one earring, on his left ear - a silver stud, you can see it in the profile picture. Perhaps we should state this fact in appearance?

Expansion Edit

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Ser Blue says at 07:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
On a friendly note, be a fan, not a fanboy. On a more technical note, some information here could be expanded on its respective article, such as the detailed technical description of his limit breaks :D Also, should stick with in-game info most of the time.
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- 10:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Aren't Featured Articles somewhat protected against anon editing? AbsoluteHart7296 and 67.181.60.248 please explain what you two think you are doing?

Nope. FAs can still be edited by anons. —BLUER一番 10:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

is it necessary to put the "Skill and abilities" section in there? I've checked other characters page, and they didn't have such section in their page... - SilverSummoner 11:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I do recommend following the Manual of Style for Characters. Keeps our articles in line and standard. —BLUER一番 12:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I know that... uh.. what I mean is that Squall's ability is already described in "in battle" section, no? - SilverSummoner 12:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes. I believe it's not necessary to have a long-winding Skills and abilities section when we already have Abilities/Battle summary sections. —BLUER一番 12:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
TALK- 22:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Tell that to the rookie. I can reconstruct the page again but the rookie'll just turn it back unless I have some way to protect the page.

Fan Favorite, again. Edit

Ehem, I humbly request that his mention as a fan favorite be replaced on the article. I would do it myself but I wish to discuss it with someone who's not sharing my views.

I regard Squall as a fan favorite because, let's face it, all you have to do is type Squall in any search engine and you'll come up with TONS of Fanlistings, Shrines, deviants full of his fanart, fanfiction with him as the central character, pictures of people cosplaying as him, photomanipulations with the official art and many many more things. ERGO, he has a LOT of fans. The fact that he's appeared in so many other games is not due to the fact that he is "well known", it's because he's a fan favorite, and the creators and developers over at Square-enix (or whatever it goes by these days) clearly perceive him as a fan favorite. Otherwise, he would not have been given such a prominent role in KH, Dissidia (as far as we've seen) and other games. So I humbly ask of other FFwikians with superior ranks or experience to be objective and not fanboys when considering this request. After all, these sites are supposed to be all about reliable information right? And clearly Squall is one of the most well-liked FF characters out there. Winged Lion 02:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dozens of FF characters are fan-favorites. Tifa, Cloud, Sephiroth, Balthier, Vincent, Terra, Auron... There's no reason to note something so universal. Drake Clawfang 02:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Nowhere on Cloud's page does it say that he is a hugely popular character. If we play favorites with one character, people will ask that we do the same with others, and then fanboys, the people you want to avoid, begin to squabble over who should be lauded or not. 8bit 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Exactly what I was checking. Sorry, I was under the impression that fan favorite was a mentioned status in other character's pages, but I've just checked them and proved myself wrong, I suppose I had the urge to put that on here after reading what other users had stated about this status. Thanks for the feedback!Winged Lion 02:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Editing the page... Edit

Someone told me to leave a comment here so I am. We'll probably end up changing it back and forth for the rest of eternity but whatever. You guys like it one way and I want a change. This will never get resolved so I guess we're at an infinite impasse. -AbsoluteHart7296

Watch the ego. There are those here that can end this 'impasse' quite abruptly. Read your talk page. Netherith 23:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

How come? Edit

I don't get this. How come you can post a really nice article when some comments about Squall I read in this Discussion page was so horrible?69.89.31.124 21:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Freelancer

The articles themselves have to be neutral and can't reflect the opinions of the actual contributors. That's how a wiki works. Diablocon 21:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh I didn't consider that part earlier. So sad to think that people can talk scary things to a really nicely made fictional character, you know, made by someone with all his efforts and all.69.89.31.124 21:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Freelancer

Anonymous users say the dumbest things.--GrammarMan 17:29, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Eye color Edit

I thought his eye color was blue not gray?

Look. ScatheMote 23:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

No offense but in some pictures it is a light blue not gray. :P and in cutscenes from various games Squall has appeared in his eye color is blue.


Looking at the cutscenes, and the drawn icons and such for him, I'd say his eyes are definitely blue, I just think they're more of a dim blue. I would like that to be reconsidered. In response to the first link: Look. Very blue.

Appearance Edit

Cid (Final Fantasy VIII)
Violetmage - Sweater vests are a luxury in this day and age.
TALK - And damn it feels good to be a gangsta!-13:59, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
At the end of the section titled "Appearance", there are several paragraphs describing Squall's personality. Should these be made into a new section, or placed into another section?

Storyline Oddity Edit

Did Cid place all the orphans together on purpose, or was it all supposed to be some kind of "fateful encounter", or were there more orphans than the main characters? 206.174.13.58 04:13, December 18, 2009 (UTC)Malik Playeir

It was fate, "Liberi Fatali" basically means Fated Children...

'Chocobo World' Sprites Edit

The sprites listed as 'Chocobo World 8Bit Sprites' in these articles are not actually from Chocobo World (or 8bit), but are actually found in the PocketStation's memorycard file manager. The sprites correspond to the mini-portraits used as file icons in the PSone's memorycard manager.

If nobody objects, I'd like to update the articles that display this incorrect information so that it reads PocketStation memorycard icon rather than Chocobo World 8bit sprite. FreeBastion 13:51, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


Blasting Zone Edit

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Judge Balthier - Hamshanks!
TALK - 22:08, May 8, 2010 (UTC) "Well, at least your sword is to the point."
GrieverXXXIn Blazblue, one of Hakumen's finishers is named "Retribution: Squall". The finisher looks very similar to Squall's Limit break, Blasting Zone, in the final attack. Can I put this in the trivia?
Is there really any proof that that's intended to be an homage, though? The similarities are more likely a coincidence. - Bakazuki 03:55, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ultimania pwns everything else(exaggeration)Edit

@Drake Clawfang, since when? 裁判官 バルフレア FFTA judgecid 23:10, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Since always, Ultimanias are the final word when it comes to sources. You say that the Ultimanias have been wrong, so I ask you back, since when? Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:14, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
I should have reworded my statement better. What I meant was that the Ultimania is always conflicting with what something else states, like Squall's height. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem
Conflict between sources is nothing new to FF. IIRC, Ultmanias are usually published after the game is released, and thus are the latest sources for the games. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:34, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Probably make a note of this in the trivia section. Netherith 06:11, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

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Squall in fangames Edit

I noticed that Squall's battle role in fangames seems to be a Red Mage if I were to describe it the best way I can. For me it's a bit strange as I know that males in Final Fantasy VIII are given physical-oriented Limit Breaks (and yes - I know about junctioning magic and GFs), but in fangames he is a spellcaster and he seems to learn them naturally. This thing is bugging me so much, so I ask you: why he is given that role? (I played only demo so don't pick on me, alright?)—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 23:01, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Out of all of the FF main protagonists, Squall has been the most associated with black magic, partially due to how the Junction System boosts his prowess and part due to his rival's, Seifer's, use of fireballs in his attacks (which, ever since Kingdom Hearts, has become associated with Squall's attacks as well). Much like how Yuna is usually depicted as a Summoner, Squall is usually depicted as having Red Mage abilities in addition to his gunblade-work. Netherith 02:19, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I got it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 23:01, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

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Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!!
TALK - 66.73.137.136 23:56, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, this issue has been brought up a lot. So, here's my answer.

The job system was a way to distiguish between characters between eachother, in terms of gameplay. The Monk, for example, would use his fists and claws, and the Dragoon lances. Yes, jobs do over lap, but each job in FF is designed to make each character diffrent from the rest of the cast.

This is why I must say this: Squall is not a Red Mage, or any other job. Why? Because Red Mages' quark was that they were the jack of all trades. Squall is this... as is everyone else in VIII. You can't say he fits a job when everyone else does as well. It doesn't distunguish him from the rest of the cast. It's like saying his job is "human."
You are miss-reading the conversation Xep. We are not saying that he is a Red Mage, we are wondering why people slot him into the role of Red Mage and offering the best explaination for their thought processes. Netherith 00:46, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Job?Edit

What's his job... although not really specified clearly in the game, is he a warrior? And whatever he is, why is there no job category for squall's page? SΓΣamyGoreng 02:44, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody has jobs in FFVIII. You can completely customise all command abilities and all the stats. Plus there is no gear other than weapons. If you go by default stats Rinoa has higher strength than Squall, so he's a pretty poor warrior. ;)Keltainentoukokuu 03:03, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Although his accuracy is through the roof. Netherith 06:01, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Quote at the top of Squall's page Edit

I don't like the current quote we have starting Squall's page off : "Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us."

This is the Squall from the beginning of the game talking--the seventeen-year-old loner who wants to believe that he's a tough and capable soldier. I would argue that by the end, Squall has a very clear idea of right and wrong, good and evil--which he learned from Rinoa, and the passion with which she challenges things she sees as harmful or unjust. The Squall from the end of the game would certainly not argue that freezing Rinoa in the Sorceress Memorial is 'a good idea from a different standpoint.' No, he got her the hell out of there! And he didn't think that what Ultimecia was doing was okay from her point of view. He risked his life, without pay or any other compensation other than justice, to stop her plot. So I'd like to change the quote.

Changing it to this quote would be my vote, from when the group is discussing Seifer's alleged death: Will they...Will they talk about me this way if I die, too? Squall was this and that. Using past tense, saying whatever they want? So this is what death is all about... ...Not for me. I won't have it!!!

For me, this was when I decided that I did like Squall as a character. Yes, he was a total jackass, but his reaction to Seifer's 'death' humanized him and his insecurities for me. From this conversation, I came to the conclusion that Squall cares very deeply about other people, and what they think of him, which is why he keeps them at arm's length for fear of being hurt. Labealeisoud 03:53, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Squall does understand that freezing Rinoa is a good idea from Esthar's point of view, but he doesn't agree with it. That isn't the point of the quote, that he wouldn't have any opinion on what is right and what is wrong of his own. The point is that Squall doesn't view anyone as just plain evil in black and white terms, not even Galbadia, or Edea, or probably not even Ultimecia. So, using this example, Squall understands why Esthar wants to lock Rinoa away forever. He doesn't think it's right and decides to stop it, but he doesn't think Esthar is evil for wanting this. They use the quote in the game to contrast with Irvine, who thinks they are lucky to be the heroes who get to kill Edea, who is evil so she deserves to die, whereas Squall has a bit broader outlook and realises that the reason they have been commissioned to kill her is a political reason.Keltainentoukokuu 04:03, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
The quote shows Squall's wisdom, which is far more mature than a typical 17 year old. Your quote-of-choice really only sells Squall as a self-obsessed, paranoid character; which he is not. We need quotes that can stand alone with little to no need of the context being spelled out. Netherith 05:57, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

River Phoenix Edit

I have a picture of River Phoenix that greatly resembles Squall. Squall was based on River, so should we add that picture? AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 17:40, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think if someone wants to look up the resemblance they can do so easy enough.Keltainentoukokuu 18:18, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
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Xelestial - "Rinoa... Even if you end up as the world's enemy, I'll... I'll be your knight..."
TALK - 18:56, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Really? I can see it but where is there confirmation of this?
MusicianCrown
Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME
TALK - Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:27, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
The confirmation is right there in the article. Click the little [2] next to that sentence.
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Xelestial - "Rinoa... Even if you end up as the world's enemy, I'll... I'll be your knight..."
TALK - 18:56, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Derp moment, thanks!

There are many interesting theories about Squall dying at the end of the first disk and the rest being in Squall's mind. It may not be cannon but fascinating to think about for fans of the game. This is about the same time, Rionna truly starts taking a liking to Squall and things quit making as much sense world-wise and become somewhat surreal.

Yeah, we know... C A T U S E

Squall can't miss? Edit

Just want to make sure. Is it true that Squall's physical attack can't miss even in blind status? I heard that he just can't activate his gunblade trigger in blind status but still his strike will hit for sure. I was not able to test it myself since I lost my FF8 discs & can't find the new one anywhere, eventhough I want to play it again so badly. Thanks for the answer...Pronunciation 13:52, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Squall's Hit stat is 255 (the highest it can possibly be) at the very beginning, so yeah, he pretty much cannot miss. And here's the text on the Blind status page, verbatim: "Blind reduces a character's Hit Rate by 75%. Characters with base hit rate of 255% are unaffected, such as Squall and Seifer, however, Blind disables the gunblade's trigger making them unable to deal additional damage." So yeah, apparently so. Jimcloud 14:08, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
He can still miss against Cactuars though.C A T U S E 15:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
ru sure? I don't ever recall missing when I had Squall and Selphie(?) in my party. JBed 15:44, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
No, I realized that was wrong about a minute after I wrote that. (I was thinking of Godhand in FFVII, which also has 255% accuracy). Squall cannot miss against ANYTHING. C A T U S E 15:49, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
So it's true. Thx for your explanation. O yea beside Squall, I also heard that Selphie with strange vision also has a perfect accuracy. Damn, I really want to play that game again... T_T Pronunciation 15:56, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Minor edit warring? Edit

Seems people can't decide on the wording of the intro to the Musical Themes section. Should it read 'Squall's theme is considered to be the song The Oath', or 'Officially Final Fantasy VIII does not feature character themes the same way previous Final Fantasy games did, thus Squall has no official theme to his character. The musical theme The Oath'? Personally I prefer the latter, as it gives more insight into the relation between Squall and The Oath, but this probably should be left to democracy. C A T U S E 02:35, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well Uematsu has said in some interview that it was a conscious decision not to have character themes in FFVIII, so I don't think we can say that's his theme. It could still be mentioned being played in certain relevant scenes.Keltainentoukokuu 02:53, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
Only Laguna has a dedicated musical theme: this is so because he protagonizes the dream sequences which use that theme prominently. Music in VIII is entirely based on the events taking place, not singular elements such as locations or characters. Also, many fans say "Maybe I'm A Lion" is attributed to Squall, which is just as false. - Henryacores^ 22:26, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

ScarsEdit

Sorry if this has been adressed somewhere but...I have a problem with this sentence in his Appearance area: "In a duel with his rival, Seifer, they both end up giving each other mirroring scars."

I don't believe that he gave Seifer that scar, at least not during that battle or he likely would have been in the Infirmary too. Plus we didn't see him give him that scar during that battle, so I'm wondering where that info is coming from? Xelestial (talk) 20:08, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Seifier doesn't have the scar during the battle, and he does directly afterwards, the next time we see him. The battle ends with Squall's blade slashing upwards directly across Seifer's face. We don't see a splatter of blood, but the implication is obvious. Espritduo (talk) 20:29, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

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Xelestial - "Rinoa... Even if you end up as the world's enemy, I'll... I'll be your knight..."
TALK - 03:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
I had to go back and check that he didn't have the scar during the battle, but I did remember the ending. Ok, you're right! Seems rather convenient they give each other matching scars after all those years on the same day right before their big exam.

Theatrhythm Final Fantasy Character Pages Edit

I'm considering creating individual character pages (see Dissidia character pages, Final Fantasy Tactics character pages, and, to a lesser extent, Kingdom Hearts character pages) for the Theatrhythm Final Fantasy character appearances due to the size of information, such as charts and images, available. Netherith (talk) 03:48, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

We don't have individual pages for Tactics to my knowledge, we only have pages for the unique jobs that characters like Cloud and Vaan have. I don't think individual ones for TFF are needed, it's just stat lists, ability lists, and quote lists, the latter can go on a subpage but the former two are fine on the parent. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:57, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
If and when the lvl chart is extended to its fullest (I believe there is another page that has a character's full Theatrhythm stats per level) and fill the rest of the ability pages out, the Theatrhythm section is going to be the largest in the Other Appearances section. It is already the only section that has charts despite other sections (Kingdom Hearts, Dissidia, Chocobo Racing) warranting them. My largest arguement is that it is now out of place from the visual layout and a character page is warranted due to the amount of info and the fact that it is a seperate game (although an arguement could be made that since it is Dissidia Squall, it should go into an Other Appearances section on the Dissidia Squall page). The character page can then include the quotes, negating the need for a subpage. Netherith (talk) 04:06, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
We already have a TFF quotes page. I should know, I started it.
As for stats, I see no reason they can't go on another page. All together, though; we do not need subpages per character; they simply do not have anything like the same quantity of information that Dissidia characters do. And we don't really need the stats for every level on the wiki, either. I don't think we have that for Dissidia. Leave that level of detail to GameFAQs (hell, we could set up a wiki GameFAQs account, if we wanted to), and link to it, while only having stats for a few key levels on the wiki.
And no, it is not Dissidia Squall. It's VIII Squall -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:53, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Height 2Edit

Regarding Squall's height in his info table, can we keep his height as just 5'10"? If the Ultimania retconned the heights for all characters, then surely it'd make more sense rather than having two heights, since in-game I see a clear difference to his height compared to Quistis and Seifer. All the other VIII characters have their correct heights in their info boxes, just saying. Vapor Rub (talk) 14:18, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

He has a different height for Japanese and the localized versions, so both should be in the table. That should be the case for all FFVII and FFVIII character infoboxes.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:44, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

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