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Contents 1 the trivia 2 Masamune's actual length? 3 When writing the Job, make sure it's a JOB 4 Sephiroth's True Father 5 The FFT Mention 6 Supernova mention 7 abilities 8 Temporarily Playable 9 Speculation 10 Last Order 11 Negative Lifestream 12 Sephiroth's Bio 13 Age 14 LMFAO 8 bit u are hilarious 15 Little Big Planet 16 The "Return" Section. 17 Hi 18 Meaningless Pondeings 19 Say ah, does anyone like to speculate what's Sephiroth's Masamune's origins are? 20 Dis Pear 21 Birth Date Relevancy 22 Dating and Years 23 Blade length proportionate to age? 24 Heartless Angel 25 One winged Angel 26 One winged Angel 27 DVD Commentary 28 something that's been bugging me 29 Crescent

[edit] the trivia

I often wondered if Sephiroth might not simply be ambidexterous. It occurs naturally, you'd think it'd be even more likely for someone deliberately created as a perfect soldier.

Not necessarily. In ancient Japan, it was considered a disadvantage for samurai to be left-handed (in swordfights). Children, who were meant to become samurai, born left-handed were actually forced to learn how to use the right hand, as to not have this "disadvantage". Litteraly, as in, their left arm would be tied to their torso, leaving only the right arm free to do stuff with. So having Sephi be left-handed could be a good way of showing how different he is from the rest of the world. However, I do not doubt that he is able to use his right arm for fighting, but it seems that he simply prefers using his left. As for the trivia part about the significance of this, I would say it's somewhat exaggerated, as Reno, Tifa and Cid are left-handed as well. --Hecko X 06:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if Genesis is right-handed.--Sephiroth2.0 19:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you look at other art by the makers of FF7 of Sephiroth (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:AmanoSeph.jpg), it's in his right hand. This could be early art before it changed, however.

I believe that he is primarily left-handed, though can use his right hand occasionally; much like a switch batter in baseball. His KH1 appearence has him right-handed, and there are some quick, almost unnoticeable shots in AC in which he is fighting with his right hand. Just my two cents.--Seth

Well, he is right handed in a game that is out of Final Fantasy VII cannon. In Kingdom Hearts he wields masamune with his right hand instead of his left; however, in Kingdom Hearts II he is left handed. Also, a thing to note is his eye color is blue in Kingdom Hearts. 75.47.206.60 05:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I would assume hes ambidextrous, cause if I'm not mistaken, he holds it with his left hand in AC, but just after he brings a large chunk of the building down, he swings the blade over his right shoulder rather than his left? Also considering he uses both hands quite a bit. Basillisk 09:11, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does Sephiroth look slightly different in AC? This may just be because I'm used to the CC appearance, but he looks, well, older. And fatter. And his hair looks more white than silver. Maybe he's really let himself go since FFVII... Presumably, there is somewhere in the Lifestream taking on the form of a dirty apartment filled with pizza boxes and empty lager bottles, with Sephy slumped on the couch watching endless Friends re-runs, occasionally moving to the computer to check his fangirl sites... The Man In The Black Cape 17:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

That's because Crisis Core designs are made by Nomura for yaoi use --- User: Zak Undersn --- 17:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

My best answer would be that it was simply unintended and that it is more of a viewer interpretation of him. It seems that CC and all later CG renders of him present him much slimmer. I even made a comment about how hefty looking Sephiroth was in Advent Children. However, in AC and ACC his hair seems a bit different. In ACC his hair seems much more darker, and he also looks a bit better than in AC. 75.47.206.60 05:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

is there any reson found as to why he's left handed. What i mean is was he made left handed in tribute to someone?

Isn't It Supposed To Be Because They Are Making Links To The Devil With Sephiroth (Man IN A Black Coat, One Winged Angel) And Satan Was Portrayed As Left-Handed.

The term sinister comes from the latin sinister meaning left handed. I think Sephiroth being left handed is a reference to him being an evil character.

In the anime "Death Note," Season 1, Episode 9, time 11:06, there is a Shinigami that has the same hair style, color, and facial structure as Sephiroth. Could this be a reference as to how Sephiroth intended to bring death to the Planet? Mndavis08 05:21, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Masamune's actual length?

Is there any way to know the actual length of Sephiroth's sword, or at least its official/accepted size? It seems to change with each appearence in the FF7 universe: ranging from about 6 to 7 feet in Last Order, 8 to 9+ feet in AC, various sizes in CC, and 10-12 feet in the Kingdom Hearts games. Just wondering since I'm trying to make a custom piece for a friend and she requested it be actual size as seen in AC and the Kingdom Hearts games, but seeing as there seem to be variables in terms of sizing this thing up and getting accurate measurements and ratios has proven to be difficult to determine by eye or other visual aid, I'm forced to ask the opinions of you, the fans, on what size to make this thing. You may reach me at smborland@hotmail.com. Thanks-- Seth

It depends on a complex interaction of psychological, neural, vascular, endocrine factors and degree of arousal. Fire 2 08:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a version of the sword that is 68 long from hilt to tip. 50 blade and 18 handle including guard. Dhoonib 04:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I've seen that innacurate replica (except for the tsuba) before, and 5' 8" seems too small to accurately replicate the size of this thing (im guessing it was downsized for average person handling). The AVERAGE size seems to be at LEAST 8 feet in total length. The blade/hilt ratio also seems to change slightly between the appearence throughout FFVII, as well as the style of the hilt and tsuba.--Ian

It's either a few inches shorter than Sephiroth's height up to more than a foot more than his actual height. It changes depending on the game, but I think it's longest in Dissidia since Sephiroth actually has to hold it like a dagger(in his end/win pose to compensate for the length. PX173 12:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I made a chart (or something very like, concerning, or including a chart) featuring diagrams and descriptions of each of his many Masamunes and the games they've appeared in. Mind you, I suck at drawing katanas. http://sephiroth7734.deviantart.com/art/Neo-Char-Sheet-Sephiroth-FF7-122145973 72.77.121.2 12:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Really nice chart. Anyways, yeah, the length of the blade changes quite often from series to games. Even I noticed the changes of the length of the sword in Crisis Core. Like Kingdom Hearts II, Dissidia Sephiroth wields a longer blade, while Kingdom Hearts he has a blade that is just as long as his height. There is also a difference between his masamune in Advent children and Advent Children Complete. In ACC the sword can appear to be longer. I don't believe a length was ever specified, but the most common one I remember was 6-8 feet... Wow... I have an AC replica of masamune. I was really disappointed in it. It lacks the wave sharpened edge on the blade, and it is actually a bit smaller than me. To top it off... its not a true blade as it is not usable, and it is connected to a piece of metal that is connected to the hand guard, which is glued on.... 75.47.206.60 05:34, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] When writing the Job, make sure it's a JOB

If you're a Final Fantasy fan, you should know that a Job is something that you bring into battle with you, not necessarily your profession. Crazyswordsman 03:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoever keeps propigating that mistruth that Sephiroth is the son of Vincent needs to go play in traffic somewhere. It has been officially stated (a while ago) in the Ultimania that Hojo is indeed Sephy's father.

Something tells me the user already has. --Auron Kaizer 19:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sephiroth's True Father

I don't care what the Ultimania whatever the hell that is says, but Hojo is obviously impotent and entirely incapible of heterosexual sex. If he has genitals they clearly are far too shriveled and rotten ever to function. In reality it is Kefka who is Sephiroth's father. It really works perfectly if you just think about it a second. (BlueHighwind 02:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC))

StijnX - Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde TALK - 07:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)~ Yes.....of course......I can see the reasoning behind that. Just like Gilgamesh is Auron's father, and Yuffie is Garland's mother...

Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 08:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Some of these people seriously wierd me out...

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: What an insane theory... but still the writer is so brilliant and sexy. Truly a visonary ahead of his time.

Alte Roit - "Death Awaits You" -Seymour TALK - 22 october, 2007 The Yoshitaka Amano art is NOT a picture of Sephiroth, but it first appeared on Final Fantasy V as Faris on her ship. It’s a common misconception, because Faris was originally supposed to wield a samurai sword. http://www.phantomcastle.it/phantom/ffspiritscastle/ff5/Final_Fantasy_Anthology_pal-front.jpg Observe the picture, Faris strike s a uncanny resembles to the picture.

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? He's not a PC, should he have a job class listed?

Zexion6 TALK - {{{10}}} {{{that is so Cool!}}}

TacticAngel TALK - 21:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC) I'm afraid this conversation will turn, with good reason, into another "Amano can't draw" conversation. Really, everyone up there looks like Sephiroth's father, including the women.

[edit] The FFT Mention

Nubecielo - Check my FF Stuff TALK - Nubecielo 13:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC) I put that Seph is mention in FFT when Cloud arrive at Ivalice, but someone revert my edition. I see a lot of characters with the same fact (mentioned but not appeared) and all of them has in his article the mention in other appearence, like Boco or Orran Durai. I think, we must erase this reference or put the Sephiroth one instead ^^

Ser Blue says at 13:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC) There is already mention of Sephiroth's name under Trivia section. That is sufficient enough. Appearances are for visual ones only. Orran's appearance is visual. There is an image of him in the Triple Triad Info Corner. As for Boco, somebody should edit that.

[edit] Supernova mention

I don't like debunking anything said on here(its the FF wiki after all) but the mention of Sephiroths Supernova attack can't be held in cannon as it was an edit for the english speaking version. The original Japanese version was a far shorter attack, which was more like a bright white flash than the extended scene.

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Site your source and that info will go in the article. But we do not segregate between language versions. The Japanese version has no precedence over the English. I don't understand how you can even hold such a ludicrous idea. Canon is a loaded fan word to begin with. I don't think that's even the right word for what you want to say.

[edit] abilities

sorry to bother who ever is reading this, but I think there should be an artical called "abilites" and filed under it should be a list of;

All of sephiroth's named abilities from all forms (normal, bizzaro and that odd one some people call safer) and all games (heartless angel from kingdom hearts)

Materia used (thunder, Black) and belived to be used(my brother tells me during one of clouds flashbacks he saw sepiroth cast thunder and it hit all the enemies leading me to think he had that materia all) also in case there is any talk of how do we file shadow flare I say put it under skill copy materia , yes it is the only blue magic he uses but he uses it and it can be copyed

And perhaps mention or breef description of unnamed abilities (but I know that might take time so I don't blame the editors if they diside not to do that).

Also I know there is some mention that one materia that sephiroth uses ,black/meteor, cast a different attack from the english to the japenese versions of the games. Perhaps that could be mentioned as well.

Sincerly luis

PS I am sorry for bothering the editors reading this who have also read this on the cloud page, also if the editors can not do this I will attempt to make a list then send it when I'm done just reply so please.

I thought we have them all listed in their individual enemy pages. A list of enemy abilities in this page makes it redundant, IMHO. [^_^]/ 07:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone else here want to see the true power of Sephiroth? I Know i do and what is the point of making someone so strong and never getting to see the FULL result I don't hate Sephiroth he is by FAR my favorite Character ever. so don't take the wrong way. 1stclasswarrior 11:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Temporarily Playable

Drake Clawfang - You've got guts. I like that in a victim. TALK - 15:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC) I'm wondering if we should remove Sephiroth from the VII template as a temp character. Although he is a part of your party for a very short time, he is entirely uncontrollable during the entire time and uses his own AI script of attacking. Compare this to say, the temp characters in VIII or VI. Under such circumstances like this, one could say Golbez is a temp character because of his battle with FuSoYa against Zemus.

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 16:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC) Compare to the temp character from FFXII though, who are also controlled entirely by the AI.

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Or the FFT temps, but you can at least fiddle with their equipment and Job. I say keep him there.

[edit] Speculation

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Man, this page reads a lot like Ultimecia before many parts were moved to a new page. Should we do the same here? Those interpretation and strength sections are particularly wild.

[edit] Last Order

Drake Clawfang - You've got guts. I like that in a victim. TALK - 00:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC) The page currently says Sephiroth was tossed into the Lifestream by Cloud at Nibelheim. However, in Last Order, Cloud merely throws him into a wall, and Sephiroth is shocked by his strength and flees by willingly leaping into the Lifestream. Should we note the discrepencies?

It is possible that the discrepancy is based upon the interpretation of the Turk recording the event described. Mndavis08 07:49, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Um, huh? There aren't any Turks recording the event, the Turks don't show up until afterward. Drake Clawfang 08:46, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Negative Lifestream

Drake Clawfang - You've got guts. I like that in a victim. TALK - 16:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC) Okay, two editors in the past added something about the "negative lifestream". A Google search has revealed that this is not a small belief. Apparently, the "negative lifestream" is the dark energy tendrils that Sephiroth summons in his battle with Cloud in AC, and that the NL is formed by the dark thoughts of those who have been killed by Geostigma. So, a couple questions. A, has anyone else heard of this? And B, does it warrant a small mention, since many seem to believe it?

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: It's Bullshit. If nobody bothers to mention it during any of the games, then it doesn't exist. Sephiroth corrupts the Lifestream, but he never created one of his own.

Gamer2127: TALK - {{{time}}} Yeah, that sounds completely made up. Do you have the source of that? It sounds like some fan-fic element.

Actually, even tough it was not mentioned in AC, the Lifestream Sephiroth corrupted is identified as the "Negative Lifestream" in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania. Here's the quote about Geostigma:

• "Geostigma - A mysterious illness which spread following the Meteor Crisis. It causes black spots to appear on the skin of the sufferers. There is no cure, and sufferers are gradually weakened by random attacks of pain, eventually proving fatal. This is a condition brought on by the overworking of the body's immune system, trying to purge Jenova's cells that have entered the body. And even more terrifyingly, the spiritual energy of the dead afflicted with Geostigma will separate from the normal cycle of life and join the Negative Lifestream -- Jenova's mimetic legacy lurking in the Lifestream -- and contribute to its power to corrode away the planet."

And it was confirmed in the Director's Commentary in the Japanese Advent Children DVD that it was indeed that Lifestream that Sephiroth summons to cover the sky in AC. Here's the quote:

• "It was early evening when the Sephiroth battle began.

The black streams that Sephiroth summoned was a negative Lifestream composed of those who died due to Geostigma. It was a good contrast with Cloud standing in the bright evening light."

As the Negative Lifestream being Sephiroth's own Lifestream, to an extent, it is, because that tainted Lifestream became part of Sephiroth, being linked directly to his being, and only Sephiroth can control it. It was this acquired control over that great amount of Lifestream that allowed Sephiroth to "ascend to a new level of existence" (as described in the Reunion Files) and become much more powerful than before - Dark & Divine 10.01 25 August 2008 (GMT)

Lord Eliwood - Does that mean I win? TALK - Enter Enigma Supposedly this is how Sephiroth returns in AC?

Dark & Divine - Devotion to Angels of Death TALK - Once more with feeling @ Lord Eliwood - To an extent, yes, since Kadaj's, Loz's and Yazoo's bodies were composed of Negative Lifestream. The Silver Haired Men served as a link between Sephiroth's spirit and the real world. However, Jenova cells were needed in order to Sephiroth create a new body to house his spirit. That's why, in order to ressurect Sephiroth, Kadaj had to merge with Jenova cells.

[edit] Sephiroth's Bio

Many of Sephiroth's bio information is found in the recently translated Ultimania here http://ultimania.ff7compilation.net/profile/sephiroth.php

And yes, he was born in Nibelhiem.

He was bred in Ninelhei, but nothing in any of the games, movies, or novels mention anything about his birthplace, at least to my knowledge. I've never read the Ultimania, though. -- Drake

The Crisis Core guidebook explicitly states he was born in Nibelheim.

[edit] Age

In Final Fantasy VII, when meeting Vincient and speaking to him about Sephiroth, Vincient says "He still doesn't know he was made five years ago." This would imply that Sephiroth was born five years prior to the game and a year before the Nibelheim incident but aged quickly due to the Jenova cells and other possible experiments by Hojo (which could have easily been wiped from his memory, I'm sure). This doesn't seem to be true, though, as Sephiroth is active in Crisis Core and Before Crisis. This could mean that his birth point was moved back to a few years before these games, or that he aged normally and the writers just didn't take into account (or even know of) Vincient's original line. This could also have been a mis-translation of something else, or an error in the text, with Vincient's name written accidently and having supposed to be Cloud remarking on Sephiroth's turn to obsessive madness/"evil". -- Drake

Yup, probly just a mistranslation. The Man In The Black Cape 17:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't he at least 6' 5", he is taller then Zack in Crisis Core. - Anonymous S

[edit] LMFAO 8 bit u are hilarious

Zack fair 007 - "Let's mosey" TALK - {{{time}}} LOl "sinister derived from sinister?" 8 bit, you keep me alive!

[edit] Little Big Planet

Sephiroth appears in Little Big Planet. http://ffworld.com/?page=image&image=images/news/09_10_08/lbp1.jpg http://ffworld.com/?page=image&image=images/news/09_10_08/lbp2.jpg Sinh 18:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! One winged sackboy! Sackiroth! And so on! Myself 123 22:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The "Return" Section.

I have a real problem with how this one is written. It almost seems contradictory to the facts, with things like "Sephiroth first appears in person (not counting flashbacks) in Junon, where he alludes to the Jenova Reunion. He also appears some time later in Nibelheim, where he again mentions the Reunion." I know the Manifestation section has it right, but that's no excuse for this to be written so that people reading it might end up misinformed, especially since anyone who is just reading the Story will not get to Manifestation, and will therefore not have it actually pointed out that up until the Northern Crater, the party is only dealing with Jenova.

That said, I would rewrite it myself, but I'm not confident in my ability to do it in a satisfactory way. BahamutAPs 20:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

GohanRULEZ - Turn Back the Pendulum,Shout the Truth TALK - Art is a Bang! Who ever fixed my statement under Trivia thank You ^^

[edit] Meaningless Pondeings

A while ago, on another site (I forget which) I got into an argument with some fanboys over whether Sephiroth can be redeemed. Personally I think it highly unlikely, but not impossible. However, it is to the detriment of the "Sephiroth Redemption Theory" that the vast majority see him as a villain, like him as a villain, and therefore, want him to stay a villain. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to see Square try. Things to consider here are the roles of Angeal and Genesis (one of whom is definitely alive, and the other, well, who knows (my reaction to everything asbout Angeal)) and the theme of redemption in general. Hence, I ask you - has Sephiroth passed the Moral Event Horizon, or is there still hope for him? The Man In The Black Cape 19:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

em.. hes dead. Oni Dark Link 20:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you can change from villian to hero when you're dead...actually he's extra dead. He's died what 3 times? RamzaBeoulve 01:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

And he should stay dead. In fact, if I have to choose, I'd have him not exist at all. For Sephiroth to just suddenly become a good guy after being the over-hyped villain for a decade would be a complete rape of the plot. I realize SE likes to do this, but still... Drake Clawfang 05:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

All true, except that Sephiroth will never truly die until Square have squeezed every last [insert lowest value of appropriate currrency here] out of him, which we all know will happen when hell freezes over. Besides, I'm not proposing that he becomes a saint overnight. The Man In The Black Cape 20:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The form of currency to which you refer is the Shrewtbuck, which is equal to 1/100 of a cent. Silver Dragon XXVIII 00:17, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Say ah, does anyone like to speculate what's Sephiroth's Masamune's origins are?

I bet it was an extra specialized and extremely expensive weapon specifically made in Wutai, made when Sephiroth was on espionage, incognito, right before Shinra attacked.

Man, that weapons dealer must have had a lot of regret...

I mean, it's not to say that Sephiroth doesn't deserve a Japanese Katana, nor this is about race, but it's got to come from somewhere, right? Mask no Oni 02:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I suspect that Sephy was born holding it. 終わりの始まり 10:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That couldn't have came out of Lucrecia's .... well, you know what I'm talking about. Mask no Oni 22:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Vagina? --Zack fair 007 00:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Meh...I think he just got it. Out of hammerspace. Excuse my lack of imagination...I mean, anything is possible with Sephiroth. Chocolancer^CL-528 00:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

{"this is just a theory im throwing out here, i tend to think way to deep into these kind of situations but here goes:

ITs possable Sephiroth got it as a gift, or possably found it. in japanese history the Masemune is suposedly a holy blade that only the pure of heart can wield. its a weapon that changes shape depending on the user, though in most games its only wielded by samurai. since he got it durring the time he was a hero of shinra corperation, he could have recieved the weapon from holy spirits, or found it in some sort of temple.

but thats just speculation on my part. for all we know he could have pulled it out of his ass.

• shrugs*

guess we'll never know really." ~ Ixbran}

"A holy blade that only the pure of heart can wield", hmmm, well that makes sense. Personally I think it might be sort of semi-incorporeal, that he can summon at will, not due to the way he conjures it out of nowhere in AC, but also how he seems to leave it behind a lot, having impaled President Shinra with it, and after he kills Tifa's dad with it. Either that or he carries a sack full of masamunes around with him all the time that we've never seen. The Man In The Black Cape 20:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, he can't have just bought it from some random, but considering theres a LOT of random weapon shops that just HAPPEN to sell guns that fit Barret's arm and huge swords and spears. but thats not the point. In CC, when he fights Genesis, Genesis does that special thing with his sword and stuff and its all good, but near the end when Angeal's sword shatters against Genesis' sword, I wondered how Sephys hadn't yet, then I started thinking it must be special or something, but aside from the extreme length, its nothing special in forms of a katana. Is it just me that thought about that? Also at the start of CC, Seph shatters Zacks sword with ease, but he had a good backswing on that one, and it was a simulation, but yeah, its just something thats bothered me. Basillisk 09:17, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dis Pear

Anyone else heard of this? Apparently it's quite infamous, and I gotta admit it's catching on with me too. ;p Drake Clawfang 06:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. It's kinda cute and funny. "Shall I give you dis pear?" - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Birth Date Relevancy

Is listing Sephiroth's birth year as 1977 legit? I'm not sure of the years that span the game itself, but it seems like some weird real-life-spill-over type thing. If I'm wrong, please let me know because it's bugging me :) Advi 08:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

That's just an in-universe chronolgy thing, nothing to do with real-life, obviously. Also, if discussing a completely different topic than the one already under discussion, please in future start a new section, even for minor issues like this. I'll sort it out this time. The Man In The Black Cape 17:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dating and Years

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? In the story section, years are often presented in a starnge fashion, with somethling like "0002" being the mormal form of stating, even though the actual years of the events are known. After a while, I was able to guess that 0000 was the year Shinra defeated Wutai in the war, butI can see this being very, very confusing to people who have never played te game, or havejust played the game, but none of the prequels or sequels. Can't we change this to use the actual years? Let me know and I'll do the dirty work.

[edit] Blade length proportionate to age?

I noticed somethin' with Sephiroth's depictions throughout the years in the games and animated media he's been in

Other than bein' able to tell how old he is by the length of his bangs, Masamune also appears to grow in size with his age. In Crisis Core, or at least the in-game model, the sword is shorter than how it was depicted in FFVII but goes to slightly ridiculous lengths in Advent Children. In Dissidia, the Masamune is RIDICULOUSLY longer than any other previous depiction. Kaihedgie 17:53, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Heartless Angel

The article currently says it's used by Bizarro. I don't remember that ever happening--to my recollection it was Safer/KH/DFF-only. But my memory's spotty and my file got corrupted, so I didn't wanna change it without consulting y'all first. Anyone? Dazuro 18:36, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Heartless Angel is used both by Bizarro and Safer. Jeppo (Talk) 18:55, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] One winged Angel

I seem to recall once reading a story about Lucifer wanting the Seed Of Redemption, so he stuck his right wing tip in the fire to take it, and the wing became an arm. Arm on right side, wing on the left (sound familiar?). He then tore off the useless wing, and that was the first act of violence, However, i am unable to clarify what religion this story is from.

Any ideas?

[edit] One winged Angel

I seem to recall once reading a story about Lucifer wanting the Seed Of Redemption, so he stuck his right wing tip in the fire to take it, and the wing became an arm. Arm on right side, wing on the left (sound familiar?). He then tore off the useless wing, and that was the first act of violence, However, i am unable to clarify what religion this story is from.

Any ideas?

Sorry for the double post, don't know what happened there!

[edit] DVD Commentary

I've been wondering about that. Where in the commentary do these comments appear? I'd like to see them for myself. Drake Clawfang 22:46, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Which comments? ---- TenzaZangetsu 23 September 2009 (UTC)

About his Strength. Drake Clawfang 23:10, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Buy the DVD, I guess. ---- TenzaZangetsu 23 September 2009 (UTC)

FFS, I have the DVD, I'm asking where they appear in the commentary! Drake Clawfang 23:21, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Beats me XD. ---- TenzaZangetsu 24 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] something that's been bugging me

Solfaris TALK - With each passing day, the world finds new and exciting ways to kill a man. Umm... this may be a very odd question but does Sephiroth ever learn that Hojo is his real father & Lucrecia is his real mother or is he forever oblivious to this fact?

He never learns it, nope. Drake Clawfang 23:59, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Crescent

Sephiroth is the son of Lucrecia Crescent, and Hojo [something]. Hojo is his first name, not his surname, Professor Gast is Gast Faremis. Throughout the series (VII's series) we've established that children take the surname of their parent. And also no character has two living parents. So we have no idea if the wife adopts the husbands name through marriage. Though that's another matter.

Marlene took the surname of her adoptive father. And I can't actually think of anywhere else in the series a child has the surname of their parent. So we know that when children are adopted, they take may take the surname of their adoptive parents.

So, "Sephiroth Crescent" is WRONG. "Sephiroth Hojo" is WRONG. And even if Hojo had a surname, "Sephiroth [Hojo's surname]" wouldn't necesarilly be right.  ILHI ^(W/B) 21:08, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with all of the above. No where, in any FF media I've ever seen, is Sephiroth attributed a last name. Drake Clawfang 21:18, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

The Emperor's name is also never seen in any FF media, yet people claims it is "Mateus". The FFII novel is NOT a canonical FF medium - it was not published by Square, thus without their supervision. A light Easter Egg-y reference in the name of a weapon in Dissidia does not make it canon either. JulianCasablanka 07:39, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

The FF2 novel was written by the same person who wrote the script for the game, it is considered canon. References in other games in the series do not alone make it canon, but they support the novel as being so in referring to it. If the novel wasn't canon they wouldn't use the name.

You may also wish to look into the "Straw Man" argument, because that's what you're pulling. It doesn't matter if the Emperor's name is canon or not, if you want to debate that then start a debate on his page. We're on Sephiroth's page, discussing his last name. Provide evidence "Crescent" is his last name please. Drake Clawfang 07:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

sephiroth didnt know anything of his origens and its implied he didnt know who either of his parents were. Plus children useually take their fathers name meaning he would more likely be called sephiroth hojo provided hojo is hojos second name Oni Dark Link 12:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)