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Rinoa in Dead FantasyEdit

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Did any yall saw Dead Fantasy part 2 yet? Have you seen Rinoa in it. DAMN! She was so fucking COOL!!! She was so kick ass, she almost killed the DOA girls. Man, if they have a sequel of FFVIII, she could be like that. I LOVE YOU RINOA, YOU'RE FUCKING COOL!
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She would be flattered if she existed.

Job classEdit

I'm putting her job class as black mage since her sorceress powers are offensive as is her limit break, Angelwing. Any objections? -Eileen-

Her Sorceress powers are more a story thing. Her weapon really isn't a Black Mage weapon though. It's more of a Ninja thing. Frankly I don't know or care what it is. Crazyswordsman 01:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I consider her a Trainer because of Angelo. --Auron Kaizer 17:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Nah. Trainers, or Mediators, don't have pets. Shadow isn't considered one for that reason (and beacuse everything else he does says he's a Ninja). Trainers (or Mediators) attack with whips anyway. --Crazyswordsman 03:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add it to black mage. -Eileen-

Wait, why is she considered a Black Mage? Magic is drawn in Final Fantasy VIII, so she doesn't start off with any black magic. She is a Sorceress in the game, not a Black Mage. What is the reasoning behind this? --Blykus 06:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm guessing it's because, like stated by Eileen, her Limit Break, Angelwing. She goes "beserk"-like and randomly starts casting magic spells on random Targets, and the spells she casts aren't drawn (something like that, I haven't played for over a year, cause it keeps freezing at certain points). --Hecko X 08:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, Sorceress in these terms is more occupational than job-related. A Sorceror in job terms is another term for Mystic Knight. --Crazyswordsman 18:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hecko's hit the silver bullet. I wrote black mage in because of her Angelwing Limit ultilizes her offensive spells only and she can't cast curative spells while in it. Her job class is open to additions. In fact I added Trainer because Auron reminded me of it. I just thought it is one that suits her best. -Eileen-

ps. Hecko, if your interested you can buy a copy of FF8 on Amazon. That should solve your problem. -Eileen-

I'd stay clear of VIII, Hecko, if I were you. --Crazyswordsman 02:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, do. It makes you appreciate the other games even more. --Auron Kaizer 16:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
(pushed inbetween comments) But I wanna see Zell lose it over the most ridiculous things... He alone lifts the game from a maybe... 47 to a 64 (out of 100). --Hecko X 07:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you let Hecko decide for humself? Please don't let your Rinoa bias get in the way. (Although I agree that Ultimecia sucks seriously) -Eileen- That's a reason to get it plus to see Selphie being hyper. It's on sale a little now. -Eileen-

It's not that I don't have it or never played it, it's just that my first disc is malfunctioning, so I can't replay past... Dollet? Everytime I try to board the vessel to leave the beach, the game freezes... --Hecko X 20:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Zell sucks. He's not fun. He's a crybaby, like Tidus. --Crazyswordsman 22:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Kind of like Cecil, who was just wallowing in self-pity. I played the first five minutes of the game a month ago and all he did was whine. Lost interest in it after that. --Hecko X 22:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but at least Cecil is the friggin' man. --Crazyswordsman 15:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but I have to disagree with whoever hates Zell. Zell's an awesome character although he can't shut up. Ultimecia's the one I hate, besides being pathetic, there's no reason to fight her. -Eileen-

Why hate her? It's your soulmate! --Auron Kaizer 14:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ouch. that may have taken it a tad far :P--Goldberry2000 15:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Why her? Edit

I really dislike Rinoa. She is SUCH a crybaby. I mean, when she was on the train with Squall, Zone, and Watts, all she did was yell at them, even if the only thing they said was "the train looks okay" or something like that. The only part of the game where I like her is when Quistis tells her off. YAY FOR QUISTIS!-Yunalesca-

I agree. I dislike her more than Squall even, which is one heck of a feat to perform. --Auron Kaizer 22:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I hate EVERY character in that game except Seifer. --Crazyswordsman 02:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but I disagree. Rinoa is young and she's a teenager and everyone knows they don't act their age. Rinoa is like Aeris in personality but more immature, but she becomes more serious as the game goes on. Anyway if we are talking about crybaby characters then Quistis has her moments too. She should have known Squall wasn't interested at the SeeD ball. (You would think "talk to a wall" is clear enough...) Besides, whoever hates pixels in a videogame has issues and too much time on their hands. -Eileen-

It's quite obvious who has the issues here... ^ --Auron Kaizer 14:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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Squallinoa_08 - ""Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our perspectives that separate us."
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Really Crazyswordsman? So I suppose you hate Aerith too? or Yuna? I have to disagree 100% with you. Rinoa isn't a crybaby. Basically all she wants is somebody to be with. Someone she could see everyday and someone to cherish her. The think about Rinoa is that Rinoa is like Aerith. She's sweet, kind hearted, lovable, and open minded. She really is a caring girl like all the other FF females. I love Rinoa so much. To me, she looks like the full package: looks, personality, and sense-of-humor (she kinda makes me laugh at times). So yea, thats why I love her.


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I'm sorry, I know this converation took place forever ago, but what that girl Eileen said: "Rinoa is young and she's a teenager and everyone knows they don't act their age" makes me want to shoot her. Many teenagers are, apparently, considered to be immature (let's say that's true for the sake of this rant) If a teenager is immature, then they ACT IMMATURE< THUS ACT THEIR AGE! I mean, come on, doesn't anyone think about what their writing before they click that Save page button toward the bottom of the page.

KH? Edit

I've always wondered why Tetsuya Nomura never added Rinoa in any of the KH series... did he not ever mention any reason why?

Well, I don't know if anyone would be able to reply to this question. XD LOL. I feel sorry for this article too btw. O_o It's rather short. -- Wija-chan

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well, lets pray that square puts her in future Kingdom Hearts games. i really wanna hear her with a voice.

Answer: Because he is a benevolent man. - anonymous tipsta

The sharp-eyed player will notice that she is referenced in the credits of KH2. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:49, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Restore?Edit

I was just going through the history of this talk page and noticed that there's an entire section that's been taken out by some anon (I think Eileen or Eris or whatever she wants to call herself) and never restored. Is there a specific reason no one has restored it yet? I mean, that's not cool, taking out an entire section of a talk page, including other people's comments, just because you don't like what's being said. I'm assuming that's why she did it, based on what she took out. Should I go ahead and restore the missing section? --Mymindislost 04:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what she did, I don't know why. Not really my call, but I think we should put it back. --Auron Kaizer 04:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm going to go ahead and restore those missing comments now. I'm going to assume no one objects as no one except AK has said anything, and he agreed. That's kind of rude, just deleting other people's comments like that. Shame on you, Eileen, I think. :P --Mymindislost 14:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Name Edit

Just a note for anyone who gives damn; I am 99% sure that the name is supposed to be "Lenore" (which sounds cooler in my opinion). Some Japanese saw this name common in occult or witchcraft related text, transliterated to Japanese, brought it to Squaresoft, got fired, retired, or died, then when no Japanese could decipher this name, "Rinoa" had to stay. Well that's all. Let's continue "Rinoa" bashing! --CidDelNorteMárquez

It sure would make many gothers and fans of Edgar Allan Poe happy :P --Auron Kaizer 14:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
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Netherith - Only a real man would beat up a helpless child! :
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Shall we use this in Etomology or shall we consider it false information?
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Actually, I had read about the Lenore issue as well. I don't think it's true, since the Romanji for "Lenore" (Hecko correct me if I'm wrong) would be Renoa, I think. I guess we could use this: someone that knows Japanese (again, Hecko, I'm looking at thee) take a look at Rinoa's name in the Japanese version and tell us if such a translation error might be possible at all.

Actually the romaji transcription of "Lenore" is Rinoa, if you take the English pronunciation of the name. (The French pronunciation would have been indeed Renoa (or Renoru).) So the transliteration to Lenore makes sense, though without offical confirmation nothing can be really said. Rinoa's name in the Japanese version is Rinoa, in the French one Linoa. -- Nanaky 21:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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Doesn't anyone read Poe here? Lenore? C'mon! It's also similar to how Lenore was always referenced to angels in the poems.
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Maverick, you make a good point. Wasn't Lenore from the Raven poem right?
Yes she was. Also, maybe the fact that Rinoa has black or raven hair may be an allusion to the famous poem. Just a thought.SonofIvalice 18:08, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


Why was my addition of "Riona" to the etymology section removed?

Another theory is that "Rinoa" is derived from "Riona", a Celtic/Gaelic name that means "queen" or "queen-like". This would indeed be appropriate, as Rinoa is the 'Princess' of the Forest Owls.
In my opinion, it's just as good a theory of where her name comes from as any, since Square-Enix haven't released any official information on the subject. I don't really see how the theory of "Lenore" excludes "Riona" - both are unconfirmed theories. --Swash-swash 22:05, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

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SquallisbetterthanCloud - ...whatever.
TALK - 22:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
The reason is- in Japanese transcription Lenore=Rinoa. While Riona would be... Riona. Plain and simple, Her Japanese name is Rinoa, so that busts your theory. That, and the fact that 'queen' does not equal 'princess'.


Actually, Lenore = Renoru. Sounds about as similar to Rinoa as Riona, if not less so. Yes, her name IS Rinoa, I'm not arguing against that. What I'm saying is that Rinoa could be derived from Riona, not that they're the same name. Why is that so hard to understand? And a princess is a possible future queen, hence queen-like. Also, the word for queen is derived from the word for royal, and both queens and princesses are royal. --Swash-swash 15:40, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

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SquallisbetterthanCloud - ...whatever.
TALK - 16:17, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
No, Lenore- pronounced "li:nɒə" is Rinoa in Japanese. And the reason you gave is plain stupid. Can we say Rinoa can be derived from Rhino, just because it sounds similar and may be vaguely connected to her personality/appearance/whatever? No. Transcription says otherwise, so it cannot be accepted.
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TALK - 19:20, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, Swash, but Riona doesn't compute. REALLY doesn't compute. The fact of the matter is that in Japanese, it would be broken down, by letters, into Ri-o-na, where Rinoa is Ri-no-a. It's not the matter of some flip somewhere; those are totally different letters. It would be like if someone spelled "fish" as "ghoti." You can get the sounds you want out of those letters (touGH, wOmen, naTIon), but by normal English rules, it just doesn't work.


Thanks for the input. :)
However, I'm not saying that Rinoa is some kind of mistranslation of Riona, I'm saying that the person who came up with the name Rinoa could have been inspired by the name Riona; thought that the name would be great if he changed it just a little bit.

So, then... you're saying that it could be a totally arbitrary thing, and you have zero evidence whatsoever. Thus it is pure speculation, and is therefore not suitable for inclusion. Now will you please give it a rest? -- SN Cocoon Sig 23:25, January 8, 2011 (UTC)


Fine, then. I have been voted down. I admit that my Riona theory was indeed just a theory (I have never claimed otherwise, although you seem to think that I have, for some reason that I fail to grasp), but I thought theories were OK, since Lenore was included. There is no evidence that her name was not supposed to be Rinoa from the start; it is pure speculation that her name was supposed to be Lenore, and was mistranslated to Rinoa. --Swash-swash 19:48, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

External Links Edit

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Are we allowing external links to fan-made sites?
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04:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Sure, but I'm thinking of sites like Caves of Narshe or the likes. I don't think there'd be any problem, though, if you linked to a Rinoa fansite, if that's what your thinking of.
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I'm thinking that this page has a 'link to other sites' section and I'm debating wether to delete it or not.
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TALK - 06:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep it. As long as the links are to either sites that update actively or have an active community, I don't care.

copyright/plagiarism Edit

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I've had an email complaining that some parts of this article have been copied directly from another site. The first of the sections I removed seems to be from http://rinoa.nu/rinoa and I'm told the other is taken from a previous version of the same site. The images I removed may also have been taken without permission. The text was taken out before, but then reverted with the comment that "we're not Wikipedia". Which is true, but doesn't meant that we can take copyrighted text, or that it's right to just copy other's work. So hopefully these sections can be completely rewritten before they are replaced. Thanks all
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Thanks for bringing this up Sannse. I don't monitor the FFVIII articles much, so I wouldn't have known of this.
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I had to go check just who had taken the information without permission. Well, after wandering through the page history from conception to now, it turns out that User:Netherith "wrote" the offending section. I was hoping, beging, and wishing that it would have been anybody else other than Netherith, pretty much the lone-wolf FFVIII editor and a fellow Moderator on this wiki. But it was him.
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Sad, a moderator of the wiki - plagiarizing another person's work! A moderator!
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Sorry A.J, but Azul is right, why rub it in?
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You could also ask BlueHighwind why he had to reveal who the offender was.
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It's not like he "revealed" it. I'm sure people who read this would be curious and check the Page History.
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Technically, he revealed it to those who didn't or wouldn't bother to check the page history.

But really - Development and Creation? Sounds like a piece from Wikipedia.
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Yuan 翠珊 — 06:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

"He wants to write a love song / An anthem of forgiving / A manual for living with defeat"

Ah, my apologies, I was the one who reverted it. I was under the impression that it was dumped from Wikipedia, which is permitted, if not encouraged, correct? Sorry, should have been less terse.
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No problem :)

Using Wikipedia text is allowed, we are on the same license as them. But if it's copying chunks of text, or whole articles, then you should give attribution. That's only fair :)
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It shall be fixed. In the future I would like to be informed of something like this before judgement is cast.

On another note I find it amusing that the site (which has a link at the bottom of the page) complains about people using their material (when the material was taken there was no copyright) yet are more then happy to take other people's work. I know this site is free information but I still find it amusing.
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Sannse you have a problem. The little information that came from that site is now gone (which was one sentence). Why did you delete the entire section? Information sources for that section are as follows: FLAREgamer (has no copyright on the text what-so-ever and so is free game), wikipedia and possibly another site that I can no longer find due to my computer crashing. The girls in that site are pulling your chain admin. Check into it.
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TALK - 21:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
From what I saw when I checked, the first section I removed seemed to be taken in full from the site I linked. I found that by doing a text search with the exact words from here, and getting a match there. The second, as I said above, I couldn't match. But given the first match, it seemed fair to take it out at least until it had been checked. I would advise rewriting the text anyway, to ensure there are no misunderstandings. Remember, that there does not need to be a copyright notice for original work to be under copyright. That's automatic, not something you have to assert.
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The text is already rewritten to appear different from the source. If the girls have any more quelms please direct them to me.

Tifa and Aerith? Edit

I see no reason for there to be a trivia about her resembling either Rinoa nor Aerith in either physique nor personality, as she is actually very different from them both, in both instances. The only resemblance I see is about the "heart" sound in both Heartilly and Lockhart, which is really not relevant. Unless the designers of the characters are quoted as making a character resemble another on purpose, these kind of things should be noted as dependant on opinion, which really doesn't belong in a wikia article. She follows an archetype at the most, but that's it. Mind if it gets removed? Winged Lion 15:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I personally think it's okay if you wanna remove it... - SilverSummoner 16:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
It's done then ^^. I also added a bit to the story (the Ragnarok scene). It's all in the game so I hope no one minds. Winged Lion 16:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
actually I think it'll be better if you didn't include the 'dispatch the strange alien' part and the 'Squall says:..." part, though... ^_^" no offense! - SilverSummoner 16:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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Umm... so... explaining the edit I just did... I just realized I made a mistake in my last edit: That thing about Squall vowing to be Rinoa's Knight did not happened in the Ragnarok scene, but in Edea's Orphanage when they made their promise... I'm sure (and it's obvious) nobody noticed since VIII is not that liked around here and it's probably been some years since most people played it, but still, I wanted to explain that little edit.}

Hey, favour Edit

Is there any way someone could find me sources for that development info? I'm trying to recreate the Rinoa article, and while I could do it without that, it'd be great to help it improve some. - 24.220.89.234 07:58, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Information came from the FF8 wikipedia article, use the sources that they have used for that info. The rest came from the fan website that is cited at the bottom of the page. Netherith 08:56, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Rinoa in DFF:UT?Edit

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SonofIvalice - "Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us."—Squall Leonhart
TALK - 01:08, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Someone put up that Rinoa appears as a playable character in DFF: Universal Tuning. One, I looked all over the net (even Square-Enix.jp) and not once did I find that. Two, a hoax was pulled off to make it seem like Lightning was in the game, although the magazine article looked much more convincing than the one posted on the Rinoa article. So, is it real or is it some random bullshit?

Random Bullshit. Redoon's specialty. FaythOfFenrir 02:21, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

The rumor Edit

Can anyone please show me evidence of this "rumor" (Rumor has it that Rinoa's name was supposed to be "Lenore" which means light). Personally, I do not believe any rumor or theory should be on any page, but if their is evidence of this particular one, let me know. What more can I say? 06:33, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Am I mistaken or..Edit

Isn't the second ring on her necklace (Not Squalls) her father's graduation ring? I thought it was. Am I mistaken, can we get some proof? Fallen-Todesengel 09:05, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to think back to when she mentioned that ring (Been a while since I've played 8), but I can't recall anything about it. If someone verifies this, or you get proof, feel free to throw it in. All information helps =) Likeacupcake 09:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

The other ring she has is never mentioned in the game.Keltainentoukokuu 14:58, June 16, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

Alright. -Shrug- Sorry. For some reason, I thought she had mentioned it when you first visit Deling City. Oh well. Sorry guys. Fallen-Todesengel 12:15, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Missile crisis Edit

The article seems to presume that the player puts Rinoa in Squall's group. I actually prefer to put her in Selphie's group... it makes the interaction when the groups meet back up in FH a bit more interesting IMO. To be honest, when running the game on the emulator, I got a weird bug after the FMV with her when Garden starts flying, and that's the initial reason why I actually changed which group she went with :P -- SN Cocoon Sig 10:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

If you judge the game's canon by the available FMVs than Rinoa would have been intended to go with Squall. Netherith 08:48, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
I don't disagree that it's probably the intended canon, but it is still not actually a given fact that she goes with Squall, and we should therefore not present it in sucha a way as to falsely imply or state it as if it were fact. I see no reason not to put another small statement into that section to point out the probably-intended-canon if you want to add it -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 14:07, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't she be Rinoa Caraway? Edit

Unlike with other games where this is an issue, we know for sure that the FF8 world has the wife take the husband's name (Cid/Edea), so why does Rinoa keep her mom's maiden name? The Julia page claims something about her changing her name after running away from home, but it's not mentioned on Rinoa's page at all (where it would be more at home) and it's never mentioned in the game. So what's the deal? Source on that, or alternative? Dazuro 03:03, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Because that is her name as it appears in official material. Sure, if you wish, you can add that tidbit into the history but if you are asking why we named the article the way we did, that's why.

Same with Squall Leonhart, as ,going by your theory, it should be Squall Loire. Official material trumps whatever fans think it should be. Netherith 03:35, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not asking why we call her that. I'm asking why Square calls her that. As for Squall, he was raised in an orphanage, so I can understand that... but Rinoa just confuses me. Dazuro 03:37, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Rinoa took her mother's maiden name instead of her father's last name because she hated/vehemently disagreed with him. That's the reason provided in game. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo 03:39, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

When was that stated? I may have missed something but I've played through the game 3-4 times and have no memory of that. That's the claim given on Julia's page, but its absence from Rinoa's page makes me suspicious. Either it's false or it needs to be added to Rinoa. Dazuro 03:41, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think she mentioned it sometime around when the group met with Caraway or when he was introduced... but I don't recall. I could be wrong. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo 03:42, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

In the world of Final Fantasy VIII names may not be so set-in-stone. Like do they have passports? Birth certificates? Legally in many countries, such as the UK, you can change your name into anything (as long as it's not offensive or something) and don't really even need to do much paperwork for it, you can just decide you start to use a new name. In some African countries, people's surnames don't even come from their parents, everyone just "invents" a surname when they are born. Since Rinoa quite obviously wants nothing to do with her father, it's no wonder she wants to be called Rinoa Heartilly instead. It's not even that much off if it was her mother's maiden name.

It is never addressed in the game why she is called Heartilly, she just is.Keltainentoukokuu 03:44, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Her name WAS Rinoa Caraway, but when she left home at 17, she changed her name to Rinoa Heartilly as a sign of severing herself from her father. CaelumFleuret97 7:55, December 23,2010

If I were an anti-government faction member like, say, the Forest Owls, I wouldn't be trusting someone who has the surname of the government's army general. "Rinoa Caraway? Isn't the General named Caraway too? Wait... how about we hold her hostage?!" or something like that..
Anyway, "disowning her father" is the general fan explanation to Rinoa changing her name. There's no canon explanation for it anywhere. BLUER一番 14:37, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

BLUER一番 14:37, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so now we have someone insisting that they totally did read it in the game, and a few other people saying there's no canon explanation. Fantastic. Dazuro 20:44, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, I could be wrong. I'll defer if other people say there was no explanation. VIII is not my area of expertise. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo 20:49, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Any objections to removing the claims in lack of evidence, putting them back if we find a quote later on? Even if that is the implication (due to the whole anti-government argument above, especially) it's still original "research." Dazuro 20:56, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Merchandise section Edit

So are we going to have this section in all character pages now? Netherith (talk) 01:31, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody wants to write these sections, but I have tried to add them to articles that have been nommed for FA or that look like might win it.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:35, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
For all those that have merchandise, I don't see why not. 79.69.204.161 22:54, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
I like the sections, personally. Xelestial (talk) 23:19, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
So be it then. I would recommend limiting the images though to maybe four examples of the most popular or acclaimed merchandise and have a main page link to the Merchandise section of that game. Characters like Cloud, Squall and Lightning are going to be huge otherwise. Netherith (talk) 05:12, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
I think we could create subpages if the section becomes too big. Even the text could become very long if you wanted to list everything.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:19, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

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