Talk:Ramza Beoulve

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Contents 1 How many years? 2 Art renditions 3 ramza and marche 4 Ramza's survival? 5 Personality and appearence 6 Lugria?

[edit] How many years?

(haven't played fftactics yet, will get Lion war). My question is over the course of how many years does fftactics take place. So if he's 17 at the beginning, how much does he age? Autust 27, 2007

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 14:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC) That depends on how long it takes you to complete the game. He's 16 in chapter 1, 17 in chapter 2, then he ages depending on how long it takes you to travel to each location.

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - DrakemasterDrake 13:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC) The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? Isn't that the surname for The War Of The Lions remake? If so, I thought we only used original release names and plot details? If not, wow, my memory really sucks!

Ser Blue says at 03:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC) That IS his surname in the PS release. And we've decided on using the new translation in the forums.

NëA 思い切って言う just curious, how do you pronounce Beoulve? it always bothers me.

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 12:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC) It's pronounced Bay-Oulve.

[edit] Art renditions

I can see that they'll openly show Ramza as he appeared in his blue shirt in his younger years, and in his purple armor in his older years, but what about showing his full body image of what he looked like in his third appearance? Ya know? When he's wearing blue armor over his arms and legs, a black shirt and white pants?

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 22:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC) If you know of where to find such an image, I'd love to see it. However, as far as I know, there is no official Yoshida art of Ramza's final costume. :(

My friend, I've googled it high and low only to find fanart and computer rendered images of his final costume along with completly irrelevant pages. I'd thought that you guys might be able to find a better lead than I could, but I guess you'd be having just about as much luck as me so far, hunh?

Ser Blue says at 06:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC) This is probably the requested picture. I can't recall where I found it, but this is quite rare.

Zolo6 - I'll show you, take this Divine Justice! TALK - No time stamp! Weird thing that they didn't show him wearing that in War of the Lions movie scenes.

[edit] ramza and marche

marche looks really similar to ramza. do u think marche is a decendent of ramza. I think that after a while ramzas decendents move back to ivilice.

Zolo6 - I'll show you, take this Divine Justice! TALK - No time stamp! It could happen and yet again it couldn't because of the fact we have no evidence that TA is after Tactics.

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 09:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC) There is evidence that TA takes place after T, but that's not the point here. I doubt Marche is a descendant of Ramza. A young man with long blonde hair? Trust me, with that description, Marche is related to a few FF protagonists. :P

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Every game with the name "Tactics" in the title features a Ramza clone of some sort. Marche, Luso, whoever the protagonist for FFTA3 will be. All the same in my book.

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} i agree with Diablocon, besides nearly every protagonist of final fantasy games are blondes, example:Tidus,Cloud,Vaan,etc... see!?

SonofIvalice - "Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us."—Squall Leonhart TALK - 00:40, October 23, 2009 (UTC) That is a good point GustavTalk, but what about Bartz, Squall and Luso? Blonds, if you include the platinum-blond protagonists of FFI and II, are the majority of the central characters, but overall there are more non-blonds, i.e. Lulu, Yuna, Auron, Wakka, Garnet, Eiko, Rinoa, Amarant, Steiner, Irvine (you get where I'm goin?)

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} Yeah but the majority of those are players inside the party of the protagonist, and some of them are from sequels of the same game, like:Zack FFVII, Yuna FFX-2, etc... and still Marche can't be an descendant of Ramza, knowing though that Ramza is really from Ivalice while Marche is from a real world and then he yet travel to a fantasy magic world of ivalice, like Luso. and as i said before Ramza really lives and born on that fantasy world.

SonofIvalice - "Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us."—Squall Leonhart TALK - 01:53, October 23, 2009 (UTC) Actually, the Ivalice Luso traveled to is supposedly the real Ivalice, which is also supposedly existent LONG before the world Luso and Marche come from. Yes Marche was in a fantasy Ivalice, but the canonical Ivalice was apparently real. Therefore, Marche could indeed be a descendant of Ramza. I think so. They are pretty similar in terms of attitude and courage, not just looks.

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} Maybe you are right, but i still thinking on Ramza's name "Beoulve", i know that that one was shattered after what happened with Dycedarg and Zalbaag at Egrose, but had you already figure out of what happened with Lugria name?

SonofIvalice - "Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us."—Squall Leonhart TALK - 02:28, October 28, 2009 (UTC) Good point, but it is possible for the last name to be lost by generation, like in real life. Suppose one generation of Lugria had only one girl, on either Alma or Ramza's side, and was the only child that generation. If she were to marry, her last name would change to her husband's surname, therefore erasing Lugria as part of that lineage. This is just one possible theory and could very well be wrong, but youcan't rule out the possibility.

[edit] Ramza's survival?

Just theory, but is it worth adding to this article that Ramza, Alma, and the rest of the party may have been saved by the Zodiac Stones they had in their possession? Just replaying it now (Meliadoul battle @ Bervenia). Ramza mentions they are capable of miracles. Haven't played this game in a long time, but reminded me of some stuff. Malak is saved by the Zodiac Stones' power. So there power is depended on what they are being used for. Lucavi use it for evil, but they can bring good.FFKnight01 15:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

True and its also worth mentioning that Orran Durai sees Ramza and Alma on chocobos at the end of the game riding off to the great unknown through a graveyard where Alma's supposed "burial" took place. Terderrer

I'd only add it in if anything in the game indicates that either one of them was revived by Zodiac Stones. Since nothing does, its mere speculation. --BlueHighwind ツ 13:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Wait are you saying its Speculation that they survived due to the stones or that they survived period?User:Terderrer

If they survived at all is up to the player to interpret. The stones are the speculation. --BlueHighwind ツ 18:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thats understandable. But there was also a cut scene at the end after the grave yard scene that shows them riding off on chocobos. Do u think thats a player interpretation too?Terderrer

[edit] Personality and appearence

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 26 April 2009 (UTC)  -   "It is because of your heart that you will die.": I can make a personality and appearence section of Ramza?, if you let me, I'll do it with the rest of the characters.

I don't see why not. Go for it.FFKnight01 14:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 6 May 2009 (UTC)  -   "Into the depths of darkness.": Thanks, I'll do it when I have time.

[edit] Lugria?

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} Why someone did wrote his maternal last name first than his paternal last name? I mean, you don't usually put "Basch Gabrant Fon Rosenburg" it is posted as "Basch fon Rosenburg" only with his paternal last name (with the name of his father) not of his mother.

8bit BlackMage - Now an orchestra will unfold like an angry dip of many layers on the chips of wildest hopes! TALK - All who resist will be beat like naughty little eggs!- 01:12, October 28, 2009 (UTC) Henry, how do you know Ramza takes his mother's name (maiden? first? vague) as his middle name? Her name isn't even mentioned in game... source, plz.

SonofIvalice - "Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us."—Squall Leonhart TALK - 02:34, October 28, 2009 (UTC) I believe after Chapter 2, if you look in the Personae information article (that's what it's called in War of the Lions anyway), it lists his character as Ramza Lugria after the Ziekden incident. I don't get the adding of the mother's name either. He's not hispanic (most native Hispanic names take on the mother's and father's surname), so would it be alright for someone to change it back? I'll do it.

AJDurai - *insert Creepsy laugh here* TALK - What use is {{{time}}} if you're not gonna use it? Good sirs! Ramza is either Ramza Beoulve the nobleborn or Ramza Lugria the mercenary. >;3

8bit BlackMage - Now an orchestra will unfold like an angry dip of many layers on the chips of wildest hopes! TALK - All who resist will be beat like naughty little eggs!- 16:36, October 29, 2009 (UTC) Yes, the point is he never uses Lugria as a middle name in tandem with the Beoulve surname. Alma is (assuming there are no other sources?) never shown to adopt the name at all, so I doubt "Alma Lugria Beoulve" should even be a redirect to her page proper.

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} No you simply don't understand, his maternal name is "Lugria" it is said during chapter 2 till you fight Gaffgarion at the Golgollada Gallows, if you bring Agrias to that battle he tells Ramza about his name and about Dycedarg and then, Agrias said "Ramza you are Beoulve?" after that battle Ramza's info on the chronicles it said again Ramza Beoulve. here i will tell you what the chronicles says about Ramza while chapter 2. Ramza Lugria "A member of a sellsword company led by Gaffgarion. Disillusioned by the tragedy at Zidkden, he left the Order of the Northern Sky to become a mercenary. He has severer ties with House Beoulve and taken his mother's family name. Now none but Gaffgarion know of his noble roots. He continues to fill his days with the clash of weapons in the hope of finding some direction" that is what it says, besides why do you ask about Alma's name, what of it.