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Contents 1 Speculation 2 Mere Lacky? 3 ... 4 Heh 5 Removal 6 Comment on Kefka's name in FF6A 7 A Detail 8 Regarding Kefka's Backstory 9 Dissidia 10 Kefka = Devil 11 So it turns out a lot of this info is fake. 12 Japanese speech patterns 13 Defeat 14 name 15 "Psycho Clown" 16 Doubt 17 Kakfa is not a clown

[edit] Speculation

There is some speculation in this article:

"After Leo is called away by Emperor Gestahl (or possibly a ploy by Kefka),"

Where it is mentioned or implied, that it was or could be, a ploy by Kefka?

And...

"Kefka follows and declares that Gestahl had told him to let Terra ally with the Returners in order to have them open the gate; if any of this is true or not is unknown, but with Kefka's penchant for lying it's unlikely."

If the ONLY information presented in the story, is that Ghestal told Kefka to do that... Then this is what happened. There is no evidence or suggestion, that Kefka was lying at the moment.

Lets stop giving Kefka more credit than he deserves, okay?

Every article has a bit of speculation here and there, there's no harm in that. Besides, Gestahl is a schemer, but I highly doubt he let Terra escape the Empire on purpose, considering the efforts the Empire makes to track her, including attacking Figaro Castle and jeopardizing their alliance with Edgar. Plus, why would he take such a risk, letting Terra go, when Gestahl himself knew where the gate was, wouldn't he rather try himself? Overall, Kefka was probably lying through his teeth. Drake Clawfang 16:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That's utter bogus, Drake. Either we source our statements or the statements are off the article. "Every article has a bit of speculation here and there". Seriously, Drake. Faethin^{verba volant}

Yes, I'm serious. You know that as well as I do, Faeth. Drake Clawfang 16:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Then I suggest you go back and read the Wiki's help section and learn the policy about speculation on our articles instead of giving out a smug reply. Faethin^{verba volant}

Okay, no speculation, check. Excuse me, got about 9000 articles to remove the icky stuff from. Drake Clawfang 17:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Would you like to bet that you won't find more than 50 or 60 articles in such a need for cleansing? Faethin^{verba volant} 17:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

What "mistake" did I make? Believing speculation was allowed here when for so long it has been, so long as its in moderation. But I've found a few so far, looking for more, don't worry, the cleansing will be thorough. Drake Clawfang 17:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ooooooh, I understand, you can speculate, I can't. Explain that to me, please. Right now, explain. Drake Clawfang 17:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mere Lacky?

Is it appropriate to refer to Kefka as a "mere lacky". While I understand that he is essentailly Ghestal's "lackey" this type of descriptive text seems to depict Kefka as a flunky when, in spite of his awkward behavior and appearance, doesn't seem to fit the bill. It's established that he's a pretty prestigeous General on par with Leo and Celes (prior to her excommunication from the empire) in terms of rank - the soldiers that accompany him treat him like royalty, which si something I've never seen happen to someone who is only a Lackey. He's no where near as respected as Leo but I think if you were to consider Kefka a "lackey" you would have to consider Leo one as well - a notion I imagine most people would disagree with. - Xvall

[edit] ...

Um... Kefka is awesome.

Agreed! My reasons why Kefka pwns, some of which have been discussed on the main page already: 1) Kefka is one of the few FF Villains to actually succeed, destroying the world, achieving godhood, and ruling for a whole year before the party managed to screw him up. 2) Kefka started as a relatively mundane mortal and managed to gain and achieve his power through his trickery/deception. He also gets bonus points for bumping off pretty much everyone important in his own organization. (Leo, Ghestal, and you can count Cid in there too if you choose not to save him!) 3) Clown makeup and clownish attitude - Kefka doesn't need to act like a stoic loner to garner respect. I think what differentiates Kefka from the others was the fact that even at the final game sequences you feel like you're confronting a human being and not some distant cosmic entity. 4) Kefka's final form? Kefka. Not "Neo-Kefka", not "Safer Kefka", not "Kefka Ominisiswhatever" - Just "Kefka".

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? Excuse me, Mr. Anon, but are you talking to yourself, or another person who either didn't sign their username or was also an anon? P.S. Kefka sucks ass.

Thank's DrakeMasterDrake. No, I'm a different anon (Xvall) - I just forgot to sign it with something, like I'm going to forget to do right now. :p And don't be mean now, you know that deep down inside you yearn for tha Kef.

P.S. Bahamut is a homo, d20 rulebook says so.

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? If I could go back to the time they were making VI and change Kefka to be an evil moogle or turtle, I would. And also, Bahamut is the most powerful dragon in D&D, and he is also the only White dragon there is.

Actually, Bahamut is the only Platinum Dragon. And Io is better. Regardless, Kefka has his good points. However, in retrospect, he seems like a total rip-off of the Joker. Plus, his ruling the world for a while kind of ruins it for the "hero stopping villain at 11th hour". Darth Anathema 04:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Heh

I accidentally pressed Rollback, so I rolled it back again. --Auron Kaizer 17:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I've done the same thing on another page, Rollback is taking some getting used to. :) Diablocon 17:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal

Removed this part, as it's non-canon and reeks of fanfic embellishment:

"Born of María, the fallen angel, this child was destined to destroy the world, and overthrow the gods themselves. Raised part of his childhood in the village of Thamasa (with hometown unknown), Kefka Palazzo grew up confused; always faced with an identity crisis. It is said that Kefka would spend hours a day looking at himself in the mirror, and playing with dolls.

Kefka would one day leave the village and the people he held so dear, including Strago Magus and Clyde Arrowny (who's only goal in life became the death of Kefka). He would arrive in the capital of the empire where his life would forever change." Goutsetsu 03:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Craigrules14 TALK - {{{10:34}}} {{{Kefka is to obsesed with his power what would happen if he got roid rage????}}}

Wow, where'd that gerbage come from? Thanks for the remove. ^-^; --Defunctzombie 03:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's total hogwash. If I recall correctly someone in the Imperial City implies that Kefka was more or less "normal" prior to his Magiteck infusion, which seems to refute the notion of him being a demented/troubled child. - Xvall

I'm afraid that this is no garbage. This was written based on the Final Fantasy VI: Settai Shiryou (written by squaresoft) entry for "Cefca Palazzo", the fact that the final boss is named María in the Japanese version, the humanity of Kefka that would keep a now useless relic guarded, and how the servants of the santoujin allow Kefka to absorb the power of the santoujin. It is a pity how the americans were deprived of some of the details of the story, but it is no reason to shun it. If the americans don't want a biography, they should remove the biography section and replace with something else. Otherwise, I would recommend inserting this part back into the page. Forgive my rudeness, and I commend the people who (non-maliciously) work on the pages here, and any north american/european who still loves FFVI without a very good translation and lack of storyline details is a great person in my eyes. Keep up the good work. CidDelNorteMárquez 24 July 2007

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 11:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Alright, I put it back in, although I changed the wording a little bit to make it sound less like fan-fiction. I really want to read one of these Japanese novels of the games, specifically the FFII one, since that's the one which explains that the Emperor is called Mateus.

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 15:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Sounds a lot like the infamous edit to the "NeckHunter" article.

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 15:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC) You're right. That was an hilarious edit. I thought you added it CSM (I don't know why). I guess a quick browse of the history will reveal who added it.

Oh, okay. I guess we HAVE been deprived of this kind of stuff. It did seem fanboy-ish to me, but as long as the stuff is real I'm good. I guess I need more culture. :) --Defunctzombie 16:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

AuronKaizer - Forever better than the rest. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}} Now I see where all those boring flavour texts in WoW come from.

Is that Maria related to the opera singer? If not, what did they call the singer in the Japanese one? Dazuro 23:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can find absolutely nothing to back up this claim, or even any evidence of this supposed manga's existence. It doesn't even work in the context of the game, as Thamasa was pretty much completely unknown to anyone outside it, because the whole point of the founding of the town was for surviving magic users from the War of the Magi and their descendants could more or less hide from the outside world. If Kefka was from Thamasa, he would have known about their ability to use magic (and would have been able to use it himself without the magitek infusion) and would have led the Empire there long before the game even started. - POS Industries 5:23, 22 July 2008

This was all debunked, none of it is canon. It is fan fiction, please allow me to quote the FFVI Gamefaqs board, link here (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=554041&topic=51850755)-If its what I think it is, don't read it. Not because of spoilers or anything, but because if its what I think, that stuff is not actually legit...and its not actually a hoax either. That info was made by a japanese fan for a doujinshi (more or less a professional, graphical fan-fic; Japanese Copy Right laws are somewhat different than our own, keep in mind), which dealt with a lot of extra info just for the same of a CelesxKefka Alternate Pairing. The creator openly stated a lot of this was made up and fan interpretation based off what little info we know from the game/settei shoyu. UNFORTUNATELY, someone stumbled upon the site, found the info, and completely missed this disclaimer, but just accepted the entire thing as truth, and didn't find it weird that only Kefka and Celes have such elaborate info and no other character in FF6 comes anywhere near. In any event, if you must know, the only official stuff related to Kefka's backstory, near as I can tell, are...

-He was raised in an Orphanage, of an undeclared location; logic would dictate some place like Albrook. Worth noting that Thamasa, the claimed place by this info, does not really make much sense for reasons I won't get into (its obvious if you play through the game though.) This info is from the Settei Shoyu, and its a pretty insignificant part of his back story too.

-He was the first Magitek Knight, but due to a flawed process, his mind snapped as a result, and he became insane after the infusion.

-He was the one who put the Slave Crown on Terra's head, and controlled her for some time.

These are the only things we know of Kefka's back story, the latter 2 are actually in game as well (former is from a random NPC in Vector, so its easy to miss.) Any info beyond that is generally fabrication. CorpusDei 01:46, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on Kefka's name in FF6A

Wwwwolf TALK - 00:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Here's something that I'd like someone to examine. In World of Ruin of FF6Advance, there's a soldier in Castle Figaro who says, "I hear that some fanatical members of the Cult of Kefka insist on spelling Kefka's name with Cs instead of Ks. That just seems silly to me. Kefka's Kefka. He's the same villain, no matter how you spell his name!" is this also in other versions? (I think it's the same guy who says "Kefka's 'one shy of a six pack!'" in SNES - the soldier on top of the left tower - but it's past 3 o'clock in the morning so I guess verification has to wait.) I have a theory that this is a jab from the translator at the Great Debate™®© among FF6 fans on how to really spell Kefka's name =)

It's only in the English version of FF6A, and it's a jab at the fact that the spelling of his name was changed from the original spelling in the Japanese version (Cefca) when the game was first translated. Although the games have been retranslated, Square has kept most of the changed names intact. Any way you slice it, Cefca Palazzo is technically the name the creators originally intended, while Kefka is the result of a translator and/or localization team.

[edit] A Detail

I edited the part where it's mentioned the villains of FF who temporarily defeated the heroes. I just added Ultimecia to the list, because she was possesing(and controling) Edea's body, and she defeated the heroes at the parade. She even imprisioned them in the Desert Prison after that.

[edit] Regarding Kefka's Backstory

This has come up elseplaces on the internet, but several of us have been wondering where we might find the source for Kefka's back-story? Some people are incredibly picky when it comes to officiality, and so it's felt a concrete source is required for things like Celes being his protege.

-Do I need to sign this, given I have no account yet, or should I just leave it marked as Anon?

I believe much of this information comes from VI's Ultimania guide. It was one of our Admins who added it, I recall, so it's reliable info. Drake Clawfang

Thanks. Is there anywhere I can find 6's Ultimania, though?

-SameGuy

There is no FFVI Ultimania... Fire 2 16:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes there is, check Ultimania's page. It was called a creation guide, but was the same thing as the Ultimania guides. Drake Clawfang

To everyone in general, and for the anonymous user in particular, here's some translations from the FFVI's Ultimania-like guide regarding Kefka:

• Age: 35 year old
• occupations: Large demon derived loyal retainer
• height/weight: 167cm/48kg
• date of birth: November 19th (Scorpio)
• Blood type: AB
• birthplace: Unclear
• likes: Mirror
• hates: General Leo
• hobbies: Playing with Dolls

For reasons unknown, Kefka is abandoned at birth. He is raised in a local orphanage where is he is physically abused, and develops autistic traits, growing into a taciturn child.

At a young age, Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the head of his class, and is brought to the Magitek lab in Vector, where he becomes the first Magitek knight. The process warps Kefka’s mind, and he realizes he exists only to kill. He worships the emperor, and by the age of 23 is promoted to commander of one of Gestahl’s troop battalion.

At the age of 25, Kefka encounters the second ruin knight, an eight year old child by the name of Celes. He takes a keen interest in her, and trains her to become a hardened runic knight.

At the age of 30, Kefka is promoted to prime minister of the empire, second only to the emperor himself. A year later, he is promoted to the position of chief of staff of the entire imperial troop. As one of the empires most brilliant minds Kefka accomplishes much in the name of the emperor, conquering foreign lands in his name.

It is around this time that Kefka becomes interested in espers; this interest grows into an obsession with magic and the demonic, and Kefka eventually has a nervous breakdown. The breakdown is part of a long term effect of the Magitek process, which was unrefined during Kefka’s augmentation.

Due to Kefka’s mental decline, he is demoted. This happens, ironically enough, just around the time his protégé Celes Chere, now 15, is promoted to Admiral. The collapse occurs at the start of the 3rd imperial campaign. Kefka loses all good sensation in his body, and forgets his fondest memories, leaving with him only memories of his childhood abuse.

Kefka begins to play with dolls, and his behavior becomes increasingly eccentric; he begins to adorn himself with garish robes, and feminine embellishments, and his speech patterns and behavior change appropriately. He becomes increasingly more violent, and has fits of anger, where he uses his magical abilities to attack soldiers who make fun of him. He gradually becomes the most feared man in the empire, a man who only finds beauty in death and destruction.

• Timeline:

- 35: Kefka Palazzo is born. His parents abandon him at an orphanage where Kefka is beaten physically. Kefka develops an autistic personality, and withdraws from the world.

- 17: Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the top of his class.

- 12: Kefka is promoted to the head of his platoon.

- 10: Kefka takes an interest in Celes Chere, the 8 year old daughter of a slain General and noble woman. Kefka uses his influence to shape her into one of the finest ruin knights in the empire.

- 5: Kefka is promoted to the position of Chancellor of the Empire, second only to Gestahl.

- 4: In addition to his social promotion, Kefka is promoted the very top of the imperial army, as the commander supreme.

- 3: Around the time his ward Celes ascends to the rank of Leuitenant, Kefka has a nervous breakdown, and developes many personal eccentricities. He is deemed unfit for his position in empire and is demoted. However, due to his many years of service, The emperor sees it fit to keep Kefka around to do the jobs no one else is willing to do. 26 year old Leo Chirstophe is promoted, and Kefka develops a deep hatred for him.

- 0: An esper is discovered in Narshe; Kefka sends Biggs, Wedge, and a half-esper Girl named Terra to recover it.

• The Magitek Knights of Emperor Gestahl

- As the right hand man of Emperor Gestahl, a Magitek knight participates in various military campaigns.

- Kefka is imbued with the power of the Espers by Cid.

- But because of the expirement, Kefka fell ill.

- Now he is a dangerous member of the empire.

- The Magitek facility siphons magical power from the Esper, and uses it to augment humans.

- The test subject gains mighty power, but it creates discord in the mind, emotional stability, and quirks in speech patterns and behavior.

• Childhood

- Kefka is thrown away at birth, and is raised in an orphanage on the edge of Thamasa.

- Kefka is beaten severely as a child. He develops into a taciturn individual.

• Young adulthood

- Kefka graduates from the imperial academy at the head of his class, and enters the Magitek facility. With Doctor Cid, he studies espers and magically derived experiments.

- Kefka finds purpose in his Magitek experiments. Due to his blind loyalty to emperor Gestahl, he receives much power.

- At the age of 23, Kefka is promoted to commander of the Magitek Knight platoon.

- At the age of 25, Kefka encounters Celes, and takes an interest in her. He uses his political pull to make sure she develops into a Rune Knight.

• Adulthood

- At the age of 30, Kefka is appointed to the position of Prime minister.

- At the age of 31, Kefka is named General of the whole imperial army.

- As the brains behind the Imperial army, Kefka accomplishes much. He is particularly intrigued by the possibilities of magic power, and thus grows into his role as head of Gestahl’s Magitek army perfectly.

- Unfortunately, Kefka’s madness deepens, his affection for his charge Celes being the last remnant of his humanity.

• Nervous Breakdown

- Kefka’s mental began around the time he was appointed Prime Minister. The cause of the collapse being a side-effect from the Magitek augmentation process.

- Kefka’s collapse becomes visible around the time Celes is promoted to the position of Rear Admiral, during the Third Imperial campaign.

- All of Kefka’s pleasant memories begin to deteriorate. He loses his ability to experience pleasant sensations, and his ability to appreciate beauty. The only desire left is the desire to destroy the world.

- After spiraling into insanity, Kefka starts to wear makeup and garish clothing, acting like a complete buffoon. His behavior changes and his patterns of speech deteriorate.

- Kefka begins to act conspicuously, and his motives come into question.

• Character Reputation

- It is debated whether Kefka is autistic or his taciturn nature is due to abuse and assault.

- Kefka’s reputation among his co-workers is not good; he is viewed as eccentric, and not trusted by those who participate in imperial campaigns.

- Kefka is prone to temper tantrums, where he destroys property with his great magical abilities.

- When around Celes, Kefka acts as a kind older brother.

• Before his nervous breakdown

- Kefka lived in a tower connected to the Magitek research facilities with Celes.

• After the nervous breakdown

- Kefka is placed under house arrest, let out for work related activities only.

- In his home he gathers many jewels, and plays with dolls.

• Combat Efficiency

- Kefka is a tremendously powerful mage, but his aptitude for hand-to-hand combat is low.

- His powers as a mage are increased by his nervous breakdown.

- The Spirit of the Esper that imbued Kefka acts through him. (Editor’s note: Maybe this demon Maria is actually the Esper that Kefka was augmented with?)

• Change in goals due to Magitek side effects

- Before his nervous breakdown, the existence of magic was the only thing that confirmed Kefka’s own existence to himself.

- After the side effects emerge, Kefka’s only goal is to find the highest power in the world, that which can destroy anything.

• Dolls (more a section on androgyny)

- Kefka adorns his dolls the same way he adorns himself, with makeup and garish clothing

- When Kefka is in a bad mood, he destroys his dolls for fun.

• Mirror

- Kefka is fascinated by the phenomena of the mirror image.

- Kefka dresses up for himself solely for the purpose of seeing himself in the mirror.

• Relationship with Celes before nervous breakdown.

- Stemming from their common experience of Magitek augmentation, Kefka viewed Celes as the love of his life; He viewed her as his daughter and his sister.

- Celes was the only person Kefka was able to care about.

- Kefka would essentially die for his young ward.

• Relationship with Celes after the Nervous breakdown

- Kefka begins to view Celes as a play toy; strong and weak, beautiful and submissive, his perfect doll.

- Kefka finds beauty in the fact that Celes is mentally damaged, since he too, has suffered.

• Relationship with Dr. Cid

- In his early adulthood, Kefka served as part of Cid’s research staff, and was his subordinate.

- After becoming Prime Minister, Kefka forced Cid to make the research the creation of an ultimate magical based weapon.

• Relationship with Leo Christophe

- Because Leo, a consummate soldier, is opposed to the use of magic, he and Kefka clash in ideology often.

• Relationship with Emperor Gestahl

- Kefka views Gestahl as the absolute master who gives his existence meaning.

- Kefka and Gestahl have a heavy reliance on each other; Kefka is given the nickname “The Shark of the Emperor.”

• Relationship with Terra Brandford

- Before his Nervous breakdown, Kefka viewed Terra as a valuable research test subject.

- After his nervous breakdown, Kefka viewed Terra as a magically powered toy.

- Kefka fears Terra for her natural power.

Note: It wasn't me who made this translations. Credits and thanks go to the kind person who did them, whoever that person might be. Dark & Divine 25 August 2008.

This is all well and good, but I really need a source to prove this back-story, even if it's in Japanese. Can someone provide a link to such a thing?

--Sameguy.

It's from Final Fantasy VI Settei Shiryōhen (Setting Data Book), ISBN 4871882993, one of six Final Fantasy VI guidebooks released in 1994 by NTT Publishing. FF-Suzaku 03:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any book by that name anywhere. I can only find the ISBN number on some Japanese Wiki pages about Celes Chere that list the book as a source. No ISBN database lists it, no online store sells it, it's not even listed on this site's list of Final Fantasy Guide Books. Also all the information from this supposedly existing book reeks of fanfiction. I'm not saying whoever listed all that information on this site is lying, but at the very least they've been tricked. - RadLink5

Oh, on that note I request someone who can figure out exactly what information is from the fake-book remove it from the article. I'd do it but I'm not even sure what parts are real anymore. = Still RadLink5

It's a real Japanese-only book. So no.  I Lion Heart I 23:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Then can someone please provide some credible link? Because all I'm finding are those Celes Chere wiki pages when I search that ISBN number. (also even if it's a real book the translation may not be credible, I still think that "the esper's spirit works through him" thing sounds fishy, as does his supposed relationship with Celes. Especially since he was offering to procreate with her and he supposedly saw her as his sister, not to mention she never showed any signs of a relationship like that. Then again Square likes to add things that were never even hinted at in the original game, so eh) - RadLink5

Here we go: [1]. I think that's the one. — Yuan^Saluto!_Acta 00:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Good enough for me, I apologize for claiming it didn't exist. I'm still skeptical about the translation, but I wouldn't know obviously unless someone got me the original Japanese text and I doubt that'll happen. - RadLink5 (who keeps forgetting to sign his name because he's an idiot)

When searching with ISBNs, it's usually easier if you remove the hyphens (which is the standard policy on wikis these days, I think). Here's the book on Amazon Japan. FF-Suzaku 10:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

NTT Publishing? This shit ain't official. Moguta 10:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It is. NTT publishes many guides books for Final Fantasy. ScatheMote 11:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

So does Bradygames in America. Just because NTT have slanted eyes doesn't mean they speak for Square. Moguta 11:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

After looking around, this branch of NTT seems to be commissioned by Square to publish Final Fantasy guides books and records. ScatheMote 11:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Bradygames and co have the same permissions. That doesn't mean what they say and show is canon. If it did, then this Cain Highwind from Nintendo Power would be canon: http://i41.tinypic.com/1slfgo.jpg . Only bootleggers and pirates don't have permissions. Moguta 11:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sick and tired of arguing with everyone. I honestly don't care so much about the nice info that I'm going to drag this out for the next 4 hours. I'm only arguing for the sake of trying to keep the info as it's nice to something on Kefka's backstory. But whatever, keep keep the warning on the top, delete the info because it isn't canon, it doesn't matter to me. ScatheMote 11:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

No wonder he's so fucked up.I wonder how the kefka fanboys would react if ff6 was remade and added this stuff.Would they be pissed because he wasn't just crazy for the hell of it?--74.210.24.180 06:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Bump. Moguta 14:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dissidia

The more I read about Kefka in Dissidia, the more pleased I am. Erratic magic, ab-libed lines, God form...they've done the K-man right. :D Drake Clawfang 00:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

ZOMG, this is for real! Whenever they begin the battle in Dissidia, the opponent says something depending on who they face. Kefka's line to Tidus is "may I play with your balls?" And yes, that is the pun you think it is, even in Japanese! Drake Clawfang 21:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kefka = Devil

Die Korruption - "Extreme is not a mood! It's a lifestlye!" TALK - Learn the art of pro wrestling, stop worshipping idiots and assholes, and get yourself into the extreme. I don't understand why you Christian guys really like Kefka. I don't mean to offend you, I only want to see the rights from the wrongs. It really depress me when you say "Kefka's way better than Kuja" or something like that. If you read this that has something to do with the clown bitch, you will know that the medieval Christians really hate Muhammad and regard him as "the demon who inspired the false religion". Think about it, if Kefka found a new religion that has a close connection to Satanism, would you convert into his religion?

SilverSummoner - Believe it or not, I've been stalking your talk page all these times... O_O Liek srsly TALK - 03:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC) ZOMG O_O Really, MTC, Kefka is just an imaginary character. O_O No need to think about it this deeply..

And Pokémons, RPG and Harry Potter are spawns of Satan \Sarcasm

Seriously, being a Christian, i so tired of this lame witch-hunting. Don't feed the brainless fanatics with more stuff. CookiePinguy 11:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Having read the page, I have found that it has nothing to do with Kefka. Besides, that is a medieval view of Mohammad, not a modern view. I still think that Kefka is the best villian and he is better than Sephiroth and Zeromus (I've never heard of Kuja). People arne't as racist these days (well at least I'm not racist).

Most people compare Kefka to the joker and not the devil because of his insanity and clown-like appearence (and once again, Kefka is not a clown).

Well that's what I have to say.Wikiguy 04:13, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] So it turns out a lot of this info is fake.

According to some, a lot of the 'official' info from the guidebooks on Kefka is indeed false. While the Japanese guidebooks do offer a wealth of information on characters and places not learned in the game, it seems that a shitload of this information is indeed false and originated in a fanfic somewhere.

I think you guys need to fact check some of this information. --Doop. 01:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

And your evidence for this is......? Drake Clawfang 01:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, here's what MeepleLardicle from GameFaqs has to say (and for what its worth, he's one of the best FF6 authorities around;

Settei Shoyu, from what I understand, states only the following, more or less

Everything stated in game, so stuff we already know.

Kefka DID grow up in an Orphanage. It says nothing where the Orphanage is (though, someone noted that based on what it does state, it sounds like some place in proximity to Vector, likely Albrook; definitely *NOT* Thamasa though), nor does it say how he's treated there. This is what we call "useless back story" of course, as Kefka being an orphan has nothing to do with his character (his motivation, after all, is insanity from a flawed Magitek Infusion Process, so we KNOW he wasn't naturally like that.)

Random tibits about Kefka's personality, mainly that he's a Narcissist (He likes "MIrrors" after all, strongly suggesting he likes to look at himself), and playing with Dolls.

The Degrade to insanity apparently DID happen around 3 years before FF6 occurred, or at least, that's when his mind fully cracked. I don't know if its stated that Celes became a general here or not, or if that's more just part of that Doujin.

In any event, its just some random factoids that aren't largely important regarding Kefka. We learned the important stuff in game, through NPC dialog and what not, that being it was implied Kefka was a sane, normal guy, who happened to be the first Magitek Knight, but because of a flawed process, he eventually lost his mind, and turned into the psychopath we know now. Otherwise, its mostly useless tibits that do nothing to his character.

Again, from what I understand, the only extra in-depth back story the Settei Shoyu gives us is on the Figaro Family in general, so by extension, Edgar/Sabin stuff. There are some random tibits here and there, like confirming that Celes did know of Terra's existence in the Empire and it confirms that Terra spent her ENTIRE LIFE in the Factory until shortly before the game began, but otherwise, there isn't a lot added on, outside of the Figaro stuff.

I'm not saying my, or his word is law, all I'm saying that it's worth checking into. I mean, anyone can say 'this is from the Ultimania/Creation guide so it must be true', but there should be a second or third fact check on the matter. I have no problem with the new info that Ultimania/Creation guides give us, but the problem comes into knowing whether it really came from there, or if someone just said that it did to get people off their backs.--Doop. 02:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

We can't discount all Japanese exclusive content, that would be unreasonable. And we've no reason to doubt the person who says it came from the books. If you know anyone who actually owns the book, direct them here so we can talk to them and sort the mess out. Drake Clawfang 02:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying to doubt all of the Japanese content you get, but the difference with say, the FF7 Ultimania and say, this, is that most of the original sources can be found and verified. Hell, I can give you the guys who translated the majority of the FF9/FF7 IM right now. It can be verified. Hell, I post in the same forum as the lot of them! However, this info just seem to come from some guy. Sure, you want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but hell, what's to stop people from putting in anything, even if it sounds reasonable, and saying its from a creation book (even if it exists?).

All I'm saying is to fact check. Double check. Verify.--Doop. 02:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

That's what I offered. If you know someone who owns the book this info came from (or not), ask him to come here and step forward. Drake Clawfang 02:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure, when I get the opportunity, but it shouldn't just be on my shoulders do to this. Its the responsibility of everyone to make sure all of the information is accurate.--Doop. 02:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Where did this intial information come from, anyway? Who was the user who placed it all in? With this backstory stuff, we usually assume "guilty until proven innocent", except most of us assume that the added info is in fact true and sourced from the Ultimania/other Japanese sources. 8bit 02:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The source is discussed further up the talk page. Drake Clawfang 02:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The source definitely exists, and there definitely is info on Kefka that the source reveals that isn't in the game. The thing is, its recently been called into question that a lot of this stuff (on this page, not the source itself) is false and was actually pulled from some doujin somewhere. And that leads to another issue of sites having a responsibility to fact check and verify the information they're getting. --Doop. 02:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Well that's what we're trying to do! You challenged the information, we're asking if you can help verify it. Drake Clawfang 03:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on it. Sorry if I sound so pushy. I just don't want it to be a situation where its like "Yeah I agree we should verify this. You should do it. *sits around*"--Doop. 03:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

8bit BlackMage - Now an orchestra will unfold like an angry dip of many layers on the chips of wildest hopes! TALK - All who resist will be beat like naughty little eggs!- 03:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC) EDIT CONFLICT x 3: It is verified that the book exists, but the translation that we were given was simply given to us, with no info provided. We do not know with absolute certainly that everything that the "Sameguy" posted up there was in the Ultimania-ish guide. However, from what Feldschlact's source is saying, most of that information is true. That's 2 word-of-mouth translations. And we've no reason to doubt the person who says it came from the books. Sigh...well, I actually can't find the part on our Help Pages that detailed our policy on speculation. It's also a fact that we need to rely on fan translations to obtain the English text of this information. Feldschlact (or Doop? It's hard to spell the former ^^), what do you want us to do with this? You say that some of this information is false, and some is true. However, the reliability of your source, an alleged expert on Gamefaqs, is no more than the person who originally posted the information.

I'm not saying take it down, nor am I saying that my word is higher than the guy who originally posted this information. However, I am saying that my word is at least equal, and I'm contesting the accuracy of this information. It should be verified. It should be fact checked with a reliable source. For example, the FF7 Ultimania translations of fame is a reliable source because it has been fully translated, and the guy who translated it is easily reachable, at any time.

For another example, Xenogears Perfect Words translations are reliable because not only has it been recently fully and completely translated, but it has been translated in parts by many people over the past ten years, and those translations by different people generally match up when cross referenced. We need to find a way to verify this information on the FF6 Creation Materials. --Doop. 03:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's the story of where the information said to be fake came from, as far as I can tell. In 2007, a user at the FFOnline forums gave FF6LockeCole a link to a website which cited Settei Shiryou. The site is no longer available, but is archived at http://web.archive.org/web/20070910055202/http://sucker.boo.jp/sucker/larc/transienthappiness/cefca.htm FF6LockeCole then translated it mostly using a machine translator. He didn't realize that only a small part of the page actually directly cited the Creation Materials. Vehek 99.190.98.70 03:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I was wrong earlier to say that the site is no longer available. It's at a different location now. The person's site (not the exact page with the Kefka bio) is at http://sucker.boo.jp/sucker/top.php 99.190.98.70 04:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It's fanfic, from a doujin. A japanese released fan made book. Not canon, at all. The page on Kefka violates so many wikia rules, it's unreasonable. All of that info on Kefka's early life is made up by a fan who was writing a CelesxKefka pairing, and it should definitely not be included on this site. The fact that the book exists doesn't make it canon, Japanese copyright laws allow for use of fictional characters in ways that US laws do not. The book wasn't authorized by Square, and was an exceedingly limited print run that to my knowledge no one has ever seen. The only evidence that it even exists is posts on one Japanese website of dubious reliability. That fact alone should clue you in to it being non-canon, if it was legit info from Square, it would have multiple sources, and it would be well known. Take this stuff down, already, if it isn't fact, it doesn't belong on a wiki. CorpusDei 01:58, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese speech patterns

I was hoping a Japanese player could answer this. Apparently, in the Japanese version of FF6, because of the way their language works, Kefka would change his speech patterns erratically, resulting in situations where he taunts the party using the feminine forms of some words, and so forth. This is why his voice changes erratically in Dissidia, to reflect this, but because you can't show something like this in English it was dropped, like Reno's speech patterns.

Can someone who has played the Japanese version confirm or deny this? Drake Clawfang 21:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Defeat

Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}} This has been bugging me for a while. Kefka was basically God. He controlled all magic. In fact, when he died, the magic left with him. How. The Hell. Did he lose? With Sephiroth, the canon reason is that he held back due to arrogance. This makes sense. I can't really see it with Kefka. No offense to all of his fans, but he's REALLY not the Magnificent Bastard type. He blows up in anger every time his plans hit a snag, & he was able to manipulate Gesthal mostly because Gesthal had his head up his ass. I'm thinking, due to his nihilism at the end, he simply didn't CARE enough to fight the protagonists to the death, & ultimately died because of it. Sort of a Suicide By Cop, if you will. Does Square say anything on this issue? Or the game itself, for that matter?

Probably not and Kefka is far from being better than Seph, Neo. --TenzaZangetsu 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}} I second this emotion.

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 31 August 2009 (UTC)  -   "What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion": What piss me off about Kefka is that he wants to destroy everything for no reason, making him not that cool, at least Kuja wanted to destroy everything because he was a self-centered narcisist like me.

Well, ultimately no matter how all-powerful the villain is, he has to be defeated in the final battle. It's just the way video games work, really. When you think about it, it can be seen as a big flaw in the plot of practically every game ever made. Either way, just think of it as the First Law of Video Game Plots: "No matter how all-powerful the antagonist becomes, he will always be defeated by the protagonist." --Hoogathy 03:13, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

True, but good plot writing justifies these things. You can do it several ways. The Big Bad has some kind of weakness that can be exploited, you can seal some of his powers, he can't control it, etc. With Sephiroth, for example, he "doesn't try." It's sort of a handwave, but it makes sense. And, on a more complicated level, he won't kill Cloud because that would ruin his plan to get revenge on Cloud. If Cloud dies, he's in the Lifestream. Bliss. Aerith. Zack. The relatives he lost at Nibelheim. He doesn't want that. For other examples, Vayne dies because he can't control Venat's power, Sin is able to be destroyed due to a combination of several parties' efforts to pierce his shell, a plan to weaken Sin by using Yu Yevon's Aeon possession power against him, & the fact that Jecht is able to hold back the Final Aeon a little bit. FFT has you fighting Altima before she can gain back all of her power, & also hints that Ramza is destined by his ancestry to defeat her. So, back to what I was saying, you can justify beating the final boss with characterization, hand waves, & plot devices. The closest anything has ever come to that is Dissidia, which hinted that yes, Kefka was, in fact, a self-loathing nihilist.75.225.19.216 03:46, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] name

visiting. is it possible that kefka's name comes from the german philosopher Franz Kafka? look into it, please. {{unsignedip|124.168.49.85|00:42, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

No, because his Japanese name is Kefuka (Kafka would be Kafuka). ScatheMote 00:48, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Since reading Kefka, I've thought that the clown's name must have at least been an allusion to Franz Kafka, even in the name isn't the same in Japanese characters. I've only read "Metamorphosis" by Kafka, and I can see some parallels: Kefka becomes a monster, and all that. But I don't think there's much solid connection between the author and the character. --Hoogathy 03:17, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Psycho Clown"

As an FYI to all involved, I consulted 8Bit about it. He ruled it stays, so it has Admin backing now. If this continues to be a problem though, and it seems it will, we may have to consider protection of the page. Drake Clawfang 02:59, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Doubt

Who is exactly the character that confronts Kefka in Kefka s tower?, majority of people says that Terra but actually i just could play with 12 of 14 characters. So practicaly i can leave out Terra of my team and then Locke is confronting. So canonly who is the character that confronts him?

Errms? Never played this part of the game, but I'm guessing if Terra's in your party, it's her. And if Locke and Terra are in your party it's still her. Therefore she does it in the canon unless official sources state otherwise.  ILHI ^(W/B) 21:56, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

im talking about this part: http://img42.imageshack.us/i/47909754.jpg/ You are right if Terra is in your team she is going to confronts kefka but, what proof there that Terra confronts in the plotwise? You must leave 2 members of your team & if i want i can clear kefka s tower without terra

Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}} Canonically speaking, it would be all of them. (It really doesn't matter, but if they did something like what they did with FVII, Advent Keka or whatever it would be called, would maintain that the party gathered itself back up & went to fight Keka in its entirety.

[edit] Kakfa is not a clown

Why do people keep saying Keka is a clown (noT anyone here in particular)? He is obviously not a clown. Clowns don't become generals in armies. Kefka is merly insane and dresses like a clown. He only looks like a clown when you battle him. For the rest of the game he looks kind of like an evil Shakespeare.

Why do people keep saying he's a clown?

HarpieSiren - "There's not a thing I don't cherish!" TALK - {{{time}}} - It's not heavy. It's... a memento Because he looks like a clown and he sort of acts like one too. If someone paints his face white with a big fake painted smile we're gonna automatically think clown. The [Monster Clown] is a common trope. Not to mention they actually call him a clown in Dissidia. And WTF is an evil Shakespeare?

Saethori (T / C) — 08:38, November 1, 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! "Sleep in emptiness... crooked clown." There's also certain factors with the demeanor of clowns that can give them a sort of frightening or disturbing side, if viewed from a certain perspective; they do have a tendancy to result in childhood traumas, at least... I'm fine with perceiving Kefka as a clown... it's the "Psycho" part of that nickname that irks me more. Is there a possibility for a more alliterative adjective? EDIT: Also, as a random nitpick, you've got it reversed. Kefka isn't a clown that became a general, he's a general that became a clown. Before the infusion, he was probably rather sane.

Alliteration isn't always a good thing. The above "crooked clown" sounds needlessly tacked on to me in order to achieve that. "crazy clown" sounds weird too. No need to deliberately mix up your word play just to squeeze in a slight pun. Drake Clawfang 08:44, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Saethori (T / C) — 01:38, November 2, 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! No, no, that was just the quote Harpie was referring to. Not my actual recommendation. I know that it doesn't need to be alliterative, but "Psycho Clown" just sounds so... awkward. Though I guess "fan nicknames" don't have to make sense...