This page will be created anyway (When there will be more info available), so why bother deleting it? SquallisbetterthanCloud 21:28, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Because there's nothing to put on it yet, nothing really. We have no idea what they moves are, what their role in the story is, we only have a handful of low-quality magazine scans showing them for images, etc. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:42, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
(EDIT CONFLICT) Because it's not in the proper format at all. Once we have all the info, it can be created in one edit, whereas if we just keep it, wrong and irrelevant info is bound to be added, and then we have to delete it, and it'll go on like this for over a year until the game is released. Too much hassle. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:44, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
You could just redirect this to "Kain Highwind#[Dissidia 012] (or whatever the sub-thing was" and then protect the redirect. Or you could just remove the links to it in the D12 article, and hope no one makes it again... and if they do then redirect it and protect it. 21:52, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
We've had various character articles written months, even years before their original game was released. In time, information will trickle in and we'll have ourselves an informative article. Until that day comes, this should have the (unreleased) template. BLUER一番 21:58, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but this isn't a character article. You have to remember that these subpages only exist because there is too much information to go into the "Dissidia Final Fantasy" section in the other appearances on the character's pages.
So until we have too much information to go into the section on Kain's page, then this shouldn't actually exist by the rules of subpages. 22:02, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
We're too bothered with this so-called "rule". A subpage is still an article; the software counts it as part of the articlespace regardless. How much is too much information, by the way; do we have a standard? BLUER一番 22:10, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
A subpage is still an article, yes. A subpage is always a child article however. And that's the difference. It's the same at Wikipedia except they disabled subpages, and instead make them article names. If a section of an article has enough content to be its own article then it is moved to a child article.
As for a standard for "too much information", well it works on a case-by-case basis throughout the wiki. We could say two or three paragraphs in this situation if we wanted to since usually the sub-sections of "Other appearances" are only about three paragraphs.
Or another standard, like it is for some other things, is when we have enough info to structure them like our existing Dissidia articles.
Alternatively, we could just say when we get the artwork, the model, and the alternate outfit images, which is now I think, we can make the subpage. I know people kept on trying to put loads of images in the Dissidia sections and I think this was a deciding factor to make subpages.
I don't have a personal opinion of whether to create the subpage now really. TBH, I just remembered the image issue a second ago. But a subpage/child article is supposed to only be created when there is sufficient information to be able to classify it as its own article-- so ideally not a stub. 14:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, everything I just said doesn't matter. I just looked at the pages (since I was just trying to argue with the theory, not the "in practise") and they are perfectly fine and would not work in their parent articles. Whether it was like this when the deletion notice was first up, I don't know, but right now these clearly deserve their own subpages. 16:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
Nah, when the deletion notices were put up they were stubs and unorganized with no tables or templates and just random images. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia Addition? Edit

I just wanted to ask a question. On Lightning's Dissidia page, its stated in the trivia section that her alternate costume is in the same pose as her official render from FFXIII. Should it be noted on Kain's page that his basic Dissidia 012 artwork is the same as Dark Kain's from The After Years? I ask this because Dark Kain is his alternate costume. I only ask this question here because I don't like to add info to pages without knowing what the admins and the mods think.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1 01:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

lol, look at Kain's parent page. That pose is his trademark all over the place, and that point is already noted. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:46, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Possible 3rd Outfit? Edit

I think Kain's 3rd costume needs to be his FFIV DS appearance. I mean, Cecil and Golbez already have theirs, so why not?

no evidence at this point, so saying either way would just be speculation. Likeacupcake 03:10, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. There really isn't much difference between his DS model and his "normal" model, it's mostly just a lighter blue. I think his "The Hooded Man" model from FFIV: TAY would be much better. -Der Ein-Geflügeltes Engel @ 16:07, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Voice Actor Edit

Does anyone know if the same guy who voiced him in DS will return?Mar 01:51, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

We can hear Liam O'Brien's voice in the English gameplay that released recently, but we're not allowed to put it in until we get some sort of written confirmation, like from a reliable reporting website or the voice actor themselves or something. Look, if anyone has a Twitter, can we just Tweet him and put this to rest? I mean, Rachel Leigh Cook confirmed her returning role as Tifa using Twitter, didn't she? Shouldn't the same go for O'Brien? Teamrocketspy621 21:25, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Great suggestion. Now why don't you do it? yeah_93, Visit my Dissidia Characters Guide! 21:26, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
I... aw, hell, fine, no excuses; I'll get a Twitter of my own, if that's what it takes. *mumblegrumble* Keep an eye here; I'll get back to you guys on this. Teamrocketspy621 21:34, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
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Oh, thanks. XD I was just about to mention that this might take longer than I thought, since I found out that he has to follow me too for me to be able to message him. Well, now I've got a Twitter. Hm. XD Teamrocketspy621 21:41, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
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Uh, maybe I was doing it wrong. I tried to send him a message, which, I guess, is different from a Tweet. Twitter looks so different on the inside! I couldn't figure out how to specifically Tweet people, not quickly, at least. I'll figure it out soon. As far as I know, he'll probably get your Tweet. XD Teamrocketspy621 21:55, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

do you have a source that confirms this as a fact?--ShadowsTwilightDissicon ff4 Kain1 21:37, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Would this count? *It's fairly obvious that it's Liam*
People have been trying to source Wikipedia for VA's for months now. Let's just wait until we get official confirmation from Square or directly from the voice actor themselves. Kamikaze Pardee 22:44, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
if its not Liam then we can change it within a sec right? i dont see the problem. Judge Magister Pyarox 22:47, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
By that logic, we can change it from 'TBA' to Liam in a second then. I'm with you on the topic and it really isn't a big deal but other users are adamant about keeping things the way they are and will change it back the second someone changes it without a reliable source. Kamikaze Pardee 22:52, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Both Wikipedia and IMDb list O'Brien as voicing Kain, but that doesn't really count for much, evidently. Since it seems we can't contact him directly over Twitter, I took the liberty of stumbling upon his Facebook page and asking him there. Assuming he replies, I'll get a screencap of the confirmation if you guys want me to. I don't know how comfortable I'd be with people seeing it with my real name out in the open and whatnot. I want to screencap the conversation so that I could blur my name out. But if I did that, there's always the chance for a doubter to come along and say I could've just as easily shopped the image of the conversation, which means people would go straight to O'Brien's page to see if the conversation actually existed at all, voiding the point of getting a screencap. :\ Of course, it's not like I could stop any of you guys from finding his page and spotting my obvious post yourselves before he even replies! XD ANYWAY, now that I've gotten that thinking out loud out of the way, the fact of the matter is that we should hopefully have confirmation from O'Brien himself soon. Teamrocketspy621 02:08, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

"Both Wikipedia and IMDb list O'Brien as voicing Kain, but that doesn't really count for much, evidently." - you're right, it counts for absolutely nothing because both are user-edited content. Ask some of the older users to tell you the Legend of Hollingshead some time, it's quite a moral lesson to hear. DoreikuKuroofangu 02:28, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
"Legend of Hollingshead". LOL, get over it. 17:21, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
Or, in other words, schools teach history for a reason. We already have image issues with people thinking our info is crap from earlier when we kept a looser rein on our information. We really don't need them being right. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 17:33, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. And besides Hollingshead remember all the other speculative argument and debating that occurred over VAs at the time. How many of us assumed Michael Rogers would voice Gabranth again? And then look where we find ourselves. DoreikuKuroofangu 20:42, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

English Attack NamesEdit

Hey everyone here is a video that shows some gameplay form the English version The name of the Ex Mode is Holy Strength and the ExBurst is Dragoon's Pride should we edit the details or wait? --BurstDragon 21:38, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

It also shows that Liam O'Brien is resuming the role. 16:19, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Where is his name shown in the vid? I missed it. DoreikuKuroofangu 16:33, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
It wasn't shown, just heard. 18:47, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Well then it doesn't show us it's Liam O'Brien, it just lets us know someone that sounds like him is voicing Kain. DoreikuKuroofangu 18:57, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
It does when you compare to roles O'Brien did like in Bleach and Monster, he's one of those actors will an easy to recognize voice. Though I would think he would confirm his role in the game by now. 19:12, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
The problem is simple. We don't want to confirm early only to be found incorrect later. Although I will admit is probably is Liam O'Brien, we need some kind of confirmation besides "I hear his voice". Jimcloud 19:18, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Nearly everyone knows it's Liam but yeah no entering until we see the actors name, I think we did the same with Cloud and the other voiced characters with the first game. --BurstDragon 19:56, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Well, Prologus is out now, and it's DEFINITELY Liam.-- 13:06, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Helmetless normal outfit kain Edit

hey there is a photo of kain in his norma outfit not in ex mode without his helmet on, is this a DLC alt or can this alt be bought in the game?

It's not an alternate costume, at least, not yet. It's used for cutscenes. I've only seen one such cutscene, so I don't know if there are more, but I know it's used for at least one. Also, sign your posts with four tildes, please (~~~~). Teamrocketspy621 20:03, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

EX Mode Edit

The current wording is not as precise as my wording, but it's being removed without any reasoning beyond "rv." If anyone could shed some light on what's wrong with saying "his EX mode changes it," which it does, that'd be great. Does it already say that in Appearance? Yes. But the current wording in EX Mode is at worst speculation, and at best just as good as the reverted edit. Maybe it's not a 100% necessary change, but that shouldn't be a reason to revert something. Things get reworded all the time, and this wording is more accurate in my eyes (as well as several others' -- I first heard that suggestion on Gamefaqs, so it's not just me). Dazuro 22:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Kain's EX Mode is named "Holy Strength" which is obviously meant to mean it's supposed to represent his Holy Dragoon class change. His base EX Mode is also based on his Holy Dragon art in that it's white and blue, it's merely the exact design of the armor that changes, the base concept is the same. Wording like "Kain removes his helmet as seen in Final Fantasy IV's ending and his armor turns white and blue to symbolize his Holy Dragoon class change" would work for what you'd like changed, if that's a suitable compromise. DoreikuKuroofangu 23:50, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Alternately, I was right all along. Ultimania scans show that his first form's EX mode is a composite of his ingame sprite and his ending sprite. [1] Weird, though. I wish they'd give him his ingame form as an actual costume, not just as a powerup... I love purple to death, but it doesn't suit Kain. :( Dazuro 04:02, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with the guy above. Listening to him talk you expect a guy with a voice like that to wear dark blue, or some other color considered equally masculine. It took me so long to actually get the EX Mode that it took me 5 chapters in DDFF before I finally find out that he has blond hair, and not purple like I was starting to believe because of his armor. Which is surprisingly mundane for Final Fantasy, when you really think about it. --Marael 15:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Pose Edit

Hey i think kain is doing his iconic pose when jumps one time too or am i mistaken? Alexkon33 12:27, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think you're right (LiancoZ 12:33, May 14, 2011 (UTC))

Kain's spear has vampiric tendencies? Edit

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that if you get his bravery high enough when he does HP attacks he can heal his HP? Whenever I get his bravery up to 9999 when he uses an HP attack on his enemy he gets 999 health. --Marael 19:13, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure you don't just have EXP to HP equipped...? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:40, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
I'm very sure I don't have EXP to HP equipped, I'm using his Lvl. 100 status as a way to train the Chaos characters I don't like (such as Garland and Kefka) up to 100 in Battle Mode/Quick Battle (Party) so I had to take it out. --Marael 21:47, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
Blood equipment? Lancet? Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:57, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
(facepalm) I'm an idiot, of course it's Lancet. How I never noticed that I'll never know. Thanks Drake! --Marael 18:27, March 10, 2012 (UTC)