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Seriously, of all games they have to make sequels for, it has to be Ivalice? Bother. --Auron Kaizer 20:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Ivalice > Spira. --Crazyswordsman 22:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Crazyswordsman is correct. At least Ivalice isn't a straight line. Also, this project sounds interesting and creative, unlike the others. --Diablocon 10:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XII International Edit

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It looks like this game is going to be part of this compilation.
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Missing One? Edit

I had been thinking of this for a while, and after reading this article and the talk comments...

Why isn't Crystal Defenders an Ivalice Alliance? I know it has no plot or non-generic characters but shouldn't the fact it takes place in Ivalice be enough?

Fortress Edit

It's been over a year now. Is it safe to assume that Fortress isn't being made? I really wish it was. Has anyone heard anything? 19:43, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

It's not being made. It was axed before it was even "leaked".Keltainentoukokuu 20:37, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

New Ivalice game Edit

Do you think they'll have to make a new Ivalice game soon? I would REALLY like that. :) --Ethanthegamer 00:52, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Probably not. Square Enix is too obsessed with making money from XIII-2 -_-

Btw, if you want to bring this up, use the forums, not the talk page. BlitzballArtTidus357 00:57, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Confusion Edit

Okay I hate to be this guy, but can someone please explain this to me in dumb dumb terms? How exactly are Final Fantasy XII International and Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions a part of the Ivalice Alliance, yet Final Fantasy XII and Final Fantasy Tactics themselves are filed under "others"? I would check myself to see which games were officially revealed or not but this article sites absolutely no sources.

And not to open up the Vagrant Story can of worms, but what exactly is the deal there? The Vagrant Story article is extremely confusing, it says it's set in Ivalice and then in the next sentence says that this was retconned, and then later says that it was officially declared a part of Ivalice. No one can give a clear answer on this or site some sources. Apparently the game itself makes no mention of Ivalice and neither does the Ultimania, and the creator of the game said he wanted to get away from the world of Final Fantasy Tactics in creating this game AND confirmed through his twitter that it's not set in Ivalice, yet here it is, not only in this article but on this wiki, when really it seems that the numerous references to Ivalice in the game are just easter eggs. Supposedly Square announced that Vagrant Story was a part of the Ivalice canon during the development of Final Fantasy XII, but everyone's information on this is so flip-floppy that I just can't seem to figure it out. Can anyone give a clear answer? It seems like Vagrant Story isn't a part of Ivalice according to the game itself and it's creator, and that Square just went over his head and made it a part of the canon, or so I'm reading from the talk page.

Again, there are no SOURCES sited for anything, and there are only two sources sited on the entire Vagrant Story article, and neither of them are in English. There seems to be an awful lot of TALK about these things and not a whole lot of information. 12:19, August 26, 2012 (UTC)Schroeder

FFXII and Tactics are under others because they were made before the "Ivalice Alliance" theme was created. You'll notice on the main four they all actually have the Ivalice Alliance logo on their packaging. That is the key difference, not whether they take place in Ivalice or not.

As for Vagrant Story, it has many connections to Ivalice that go far beyond merely being easter eggs. It was obviously intended to be a part of the universe in some way, and now at this stage it is pretty much connected to Ivalice by so many different threads it's impossible to simply ignore it as something not Ivalician, since it clearly is. As for Matsuno, his position seems to change with whatever his relation to Square is, and should not be taken too heavily because of his flip-flopping. He didn't stress any connections to Ivalice originally, probably to give the fans freedom to believe what they want, and probably because back then he didn't want Vagrant Story to be considered a Final Fantasy spin-off (note - Vagrant story still isn't a Final Fantasy, whether it takes place in Ivalice or not). When FFXII started being developed with the intent to be set in Ivalice again, it seems he changed gears and said Vagrant Story was part of that series. Then when he quit Square he conveniently changed gears again and said his game had nothing do with Square's universe. Unfortunately, Vagrant Story belongs to Square now, and they can do what they want with it. Espritduo (talk) 13:22, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

To add to what Espritduo said, if the game is the source then no other source needs to be cited on articles on this wiki. That's how it has been decided for simplicity's sake, because the wiki also covers gameplay stuff like abilities and stats and indepth other stuff. Because it says on the game packaging what games belong to Ivalice Alliance no further citations are needed. If you want to see citations to everything you may opt to use Wikipedia instead. They have an article on Ivalice Alliance too. Wikipedia is a good source on Final Fantasy, for an overview if you don't need any gameplay content.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:01, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks guys! That cleared up the confusion a bit for me. It seems like Matsuno only said that the game was set in Ivalice because that's what Square wanted him to do, and Square used a lot of Vagrant Story's mythology in their creation of furhter Ivalice games, effectively tying it in regardless of what it's creator wanted. I still think the fact that it's never said to be set in Ivalice whatsoever in the game or the Ultimania pleads a pretty strong case for it's not being a part of the universe, but like Espiritduo said, it's Square's property now and they can make it a part of whatever series they want. I think someone should probably try rewording the connection to Ivalice section on Vagrant Story's page, it makes a confusing situation more confusing by not explaining it all very well. 04:13, August 27, 2012 (UTC)Schroeder

The Vagrant Story article's talk page has more discussion on this whole thing. It is murky, but it was decided that since we already have all the VS stuff on the wiki, and because at least in some point VS was considered to take place in Ivalice, we might as well keep it. I thought it was explained alright on the VS article though? It may not be right at the top of the article, but there's a section of VS and FF and all that jazz. I personally think VS is more of "parallel universe Ivalice", in fact, most (all?) Ivalice games deal with something like that. Espers and Occuria and Yarhi live in some other realm, and in the Advance series Ivalice seems to manifest to the real world. And the maps to different games don't match perfectly though they're similar. So...even if you think VS as an Ivalice game it's not so clear cut where it would fit in the timeline and I don't think it needs to be so specific either.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:24, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Ivalice Alliance doesn't mean Ivalice series as a wholeEdit

The naming of IValice Alliance was used for a specific group of games, it does not mean that the series is called "Ivalice Alliance". And its proven when you dont see the logo of the Ivalice Alliance such as Crystal Defenders, FInal Fantasy Tactics S, and so on. 19:52, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

This is explained thusly in the article: "Although not technically part of the Ivalice Alliance, these games are also based in Ivalice and were made before or after the Ivalice Alliance was created."Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:02, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
Not the point. I'm trying to say that FF wikia is trying to make it look like a series that encompasses these games. when in reality the ivalice alliance was made to promote the world of ivalice, not to become a series of its own. 00:23, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that's what is implied in the article, but anyone can edit it so you can change things around to be less ambiguous if you see room for improvement.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 08:35, June 19, 2014 (UTC)EDIT: I have changed "Ivalice Alliance" to "Ivalice" in the main page list of games and the Ivalice navigation template. I assume those were the kinds of things you meant.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 09:46, June 19, 2014 (UTC)