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Adding a mention of different countriesEdit

As Ivalice has been mentioned and portrayed as a European and Middle Eastern world, what about stating the proof that there are far eastern countries as well? Mask no Oni 00:04, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


		Terderrer - Come to my hands sacred light and profane darkness! Be fused and unlock an ultimate power! TALK - 15 November 2009 {{{time}}}



		We should state proof. there is an abundant source of evidence that suggests that Ivalice has eastern countries. First of all the Genji equipment is the most obvious since the equipment stats say that it comes from a far away land. Also in tactics a2 there is more evidence since a clan comes from an eastern country to the jylland .


		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 14:02, November 16, 2009 (UTC)



		The problem is, the idea of Ivalice itself veries in the Alliance: in Final Fantasy XII and TA2, Ivalice is the world itself, while in Tactics and TA, Ivalice is just a country in a wider world. This is what we must refer to.


		Terderrer - Come to my hands sacred light and profane darkness! Be fused and unlock an ultimate power! TALK - 24 MAy 2010 {{{time}}}



		This is true, but you also have to remember that the games take place at different ages in the timeline. Also XII still takes place at a certain part of world that is not all Ivalice, and TA takes place in a fictional world created from the grimorie while the beginning takes place in the modern world where st ivalice is just a town. It could be possible that land ownership has changed alot over the timeline

I'm just going to add my own little tidbit here: While there are many great theories here, don't you all think that Ivalice could have it's own lithosphere (to a certain degree)? I mean, in the game, Ivalice and Earth have many similarities, such as gravity, water, etc. What I'm getting at is that there could have been some movement and shifting of plates? Or perhaps it was an "Act of the gods" that caused the movement of different considering that there are heavy ties to mythology/religion. All in all, I highly doubt that much of the pretext was put into the games in geographical sense. Sure the same names were kept, along with most of the cultures, weapons, characters, etc. - Grey | July 31 2011 5:23 AM EST

UK launch of FFXII on Feb 23rd, 2007Edit

To get FFWiki ready for it I made sure all locations have at least the bestiary, a picture of it and the map.

Sorry for some maps not being "up to scale" but my time is short, I'm also reading up my own site for this friday. :::You are welcome to improve on my mapping work or to chose different pictures from my site http://ffproject.net/forumwiki/index.php/FFXII/Ivalice

Let me know where I can help more (and what you think of a wiki in black skin :D ) Renmiri 03:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the work, but why are you making the FFWiki "ready for it"? XII articles were being added, slowly but surely. XII has been out for a year now in Japan, and the American release has provided a lot of info for this Wiki. The European launch of XII isn't going to change anything, our launches never do (well, X is the exception, since so many Americans were pissed we got the International version).

And the blacks nice, but does it really suit an FF Wiki?Diablocon 12:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I know, I've added a lot to the XII section since the game was released here in US. The pages were good but the terminology here was all japanese with Balflear and Mist Carts gallore. I'm sure you've seen it too Renmiri 02:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Aye, a black background wiki is kind of hard to get used to at first! I made the skin more as a challenge to see if I could but I've grown quite fond of it now :D Renmiri 02:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Exaggerating a tad, perhaps..? The term you mention was not used here until a month ago, and even then, it's only seen in one article (which should probably be corrected). The terminology used here has always been the one based on the English-language version, with a note on what they are called in the Japanese version (but more often than not, these notes have been omitted). Even looking through the history pages, you will not find Japanese terminology in more than 3 counts (I tried searching, found 0 counts, but I only tried for a couple of minutes). If you can prove me wrong, and find 3 articles here, where Japanese terminology, at one time or another, has been dominant, I will gladly admit that I am wrong in my statement. Happy hunting. --Hecko X 03:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Start here for samples of what I've been doing since december Renmiri 04:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I still see no dominant Japanese terminology, which is what I asked for... And since you for some reason mention what you've been doing since December, then here's what I've been doing (click "newer 500" to continue on the list). One a sidenote, while I do believe you have been busy with FFXII, it just hasn't been here, since you only contributed in a time window of four hours on December 11th, and then nothing, until a single upload in mid-January. You didn't really start up again here until roughly a month ago. So the link doesn't really compliment your statement. --Hecko X 04:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Meh... As I said, the pages were good but there was lots to do and I was one of many doing them, not always logged in. The IP 66.whatever on the FFXII items and such is me too. I have been updating here with content I made for my site for the same reason you have, to make FF Wiki the best it can be, not to play wiki politics. I repeat my question, where can I help better ? Renmiri 04:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Uuuuh,I could point at at least two things where you contradict yourself right now... But if you want to help out, then fulfill a need, when you see a need. It's as simple as that. When you upload, use names that make sense, like "Ogir-Yensa Sandsea (map)", if you upload an image of the map of the Ogir-Yensa Sandsea. Also, don't just upload images for the sake of uploading images. If it can be used, sure, go ahead, upload and use it. If it can't then don't upload it. There's no point in having a bunch of images lying around for no reason. And if you are taking location images, try getting some decent ones, where you can see a lot. One where you just see Vaan, and then like... 1/10000 of "whereever" (with most of that 1/10000 being the ground) is not a good image. Move the camera around, find a focus. There are lots of other stuff, but I have an exam I have to get to, so I don't have time right now. I can make you a list sometime. --Hecko X 06:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Are people gonna actually care about this site, unlike all times before? We got twice the number of edits than views. --Auron Kaizer 19:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

History Section Edit


		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. 15:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)



		Diablo, could you fix it up so it doesn't look like a trivia section? Great work though :)

Ser Blue says at 15:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

That is impressive... if only I could believe that. Be that I am an Ivalice fan, I can't help but to think this all speculation and hearsay! I'd give my own interpretation of Balthier's and Luso's appearance in Tactics. Tell you what. Have a look see at my little Ivalice corner.


		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 16:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)



		None of it is speculation, bar the Lucavi = Esper part. The rest is based on actual facts given to you by the games and famitsu magazine (which gives you actual timelines). The reason I say the Lucavi are most likely the Espers, bar the fact that the Lucavi share names with Espers, is because it makes Ivalice feel even more complete. It's pretty damn cool to think that Espers are always trying to take over Ivalice for themselves. And I'll try to make it look nicer AK. I'd put dates instead of bullet points, but it's rather hard when the dates aren't specific in-game.

Ser Blue says at 16:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ho, I don't mean to sound like the unbeliever. I've read things like this from some Japanese sites, and some French sites. They are venerable and reliable sources, and they sound as much the same as yours. Got to see if the Ivalice Alliance series tie them nicely! And to think Luso's story starts 20 years after Marche's!? Intriguing!


		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 16:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)



		I'm not 100% sure it's 20 years, but that's the only time period I've heard so far.

Ser Blue says at 17:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I found this from a French site - Ivalice of FFTA2 and FFXII are close from a chronological point of view.


		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 17:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)



		I saw that picture too. They actually happen parrallel to each other, making cameos by characters like Balthier very possible. I also tidied the history up. However, in doing so, some parts now probably don't make sense. Anyone is free to help clean it up further.

Hi! Uhm, I just wanted to comment on the history section. I really think it needs some specific citing links, because a lot of it seems a bit iffy. We are led to believe through most of Final Fantasy Tactics, that Ajora is a male, but the final battles and several sage notes in the bestiary in FFXII tell us that it's more likely that he is a she. Also, I'm not sure that it's ever said, anywhere, officially, that the St. Ivalice of FFT-A is the Ivalice of Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy XII.

In general, I think this page needs to cite its sources more. Without cited sources, some of the information seems a bit iffy in terms of just how firmly based in game canon and fact it is.


		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}



		Oh God no. Aside from the admin assholes, bad help pages, and unfriendly users, citations are one of the things that make Wikipedia uneditable, and in the end, just annoying. "The encyclopedia anyone can edit" my fucking ass.

Ser Blue says at 11:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

What you think this is, anon, Wikipedia? If you want sources and citations, go read a Wikipedia article, not here! I mean it; go away and let us edit in peace! BTW, I'm sure no article written in this wiki is BS, but if you don't believe it, gb2wikipedia kthnx.

Wow. Uhm, thank you for attacking me when I was only making a small suggestion. :( I will be sure to let all of my friends know that the people who edit this website are unreceptive to commentary and incredibly mean when given criticism that was not at all intended to come off as rude. :( Thank you so much for hurting my feelings, I won't be returning to this website.


		Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming .....



		lol Damn. They can do that but you just gotta have the balls to take it and not pussing out of it.... Which pretty much seem like what u did. =( but then again when u have as many members as this site does.... u rly dont care bout that one person.... And if ur friends are smart, they can make the choice to VIEW something b4 they totally blam it. Hell, i beleive 50% of what any1 says including my friends.


		Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 03:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)



		Wow. Way to be assholes, guys. They were acting in good faith, making a suggestion, and you totally blasted them. Whatever happened to "Boldness will NEVER be punished"? Did either of you ever read the "anyone can edit" page linked to on the main page? Thanks for cementing this wiki's reputation as a bunch of elitist jerkoffs who don't like new users or anons.


		Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming .....



		lol damn.... wait.... i've noticed that the only ppl who are majorly assholes are AK and Blue(well sometimes Diablo but that's usually in good taste and deserving and DrakemasterDrake isn't excatly the nicest fellow) and they've got this wicked tag team thing. Ak says something "not nice" and then Blue follows up with a barrage of random shit. Almost like the big dude(bully sounds too harsh) who picks on the victim and then has his lil toadie finish up........ Then again... it is fun being the asshole... especially when you do it in a way where no1 can rly kick ur ass. and sterotyping's wrong. lol


		Fëasindë^Talk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." {{{time}}}



		You trying to poke the bear or something?


		Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming .....



		i dont rly see anything that insulting. it's not like i flat out called them bastards and told them to be ashamed of themselves. i said what i saw and that's that. If that other user was truly man enough and was rly dedicated to this site, he wouldn't have chickened out and quit just cuz 2 guys knocked him down a peg or too. Of course, if he comes back, i'll have to eat my words lol. Damn, im prolly gonna come back from camp and find my account blocked or deleted or something. :p


		Fëasindë^Talk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." {{{time}}}



		Well, maybe you really weren't that insulting, I mean, maybe the word asshole is not as offensive as I thought it was. Don't worry about your account. It's not like you've pissed CSM or anything!!! :p

Ser Blue says at 07:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for my "assholey" behavior. But hey, I would suggest anon to stop being too sensitive. I may sound like an insensitive person, but that's how I had to shape myself. If Anon won't return, it's his/her loss, not mine.

But again, suggesting references... it sounded like an attempt to wikipedia this Wiki. Or have I worked too long in there?


		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}



		If said Anon was "hurt" by the way I was criticizing Wikipedia, and notably NOT HIS SUGGESTION, s/he can go slash him/herself. On the wrists. With a razor. By the way, you other guys. I don't need your fucking judgement. Go vandalize some article or something. And yes, I had the worst birthday ever and am legally entitled to acting like an asshole. Too bad I did such a bad job of it.


		Renmiri TALK - 18:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)



		I agree 100% with your comments about Wikipedia AK but the poor n00b never even mention Wikipedia. And he does have a point. I believe you guys when you say St. Ajora is a male, but I would also love to hear where that interesting tidbit came from. Citations enrich an article, not detract from it. In spite of the way wikipedia nazis torture editors for it, they are a good thing when used in moderation. I think we should add some


		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}



		Please don't. You'll ruin a perfectly great site.


		Renmiri TALK - Template:Grin



		Citations don't kill wikis, people do. I know how irksome the citation police can be at Wikipedia but this doesn't mean we should think giving references is bad. After all, we are better than them citation-nazis aren't we ?

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Adding a mention of different countriesEdit

UK launch of FFXII on Feb 23rd, 2007Edit

History Section Edit

IvaliceEdit

Ancestors?Edit

GougEdit

split Edit

How is this what was discussed? Edit

Does It Seem To You...Edit

ummm... Edit

A Link Edit

FFTA's Plade in History Edit

Disappearing TextEdit

Adding more to the timelineEdit

Ivalice Alphabet?Edit

"Vague records claim that magick was brought over Ivalice from an unknown continent, and into the hands of the Man. It is unknown if the Occuria had a hand in this or not." Edit

Aliens? Edit

The erroneous map of Ivalice Edit

Ultimania guide settles everything? Edit

Alphabet? Edit

Maps Edit

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		Terderrer TALK - Come to my hands sacred light and profane darkness! Be fused and unlock an ultimate power! {{{10 July 2011}}}



		dang, um , to be honest Ive been on this wiki for about 3 years and I still find it hard to find out what the right questions are to ask,right things to edit,and right things to post, im pretty neutral, on one hand its good to have proof but on the other citations do tend to be a bother, is there any way to find out what the truth is with out having citations and what not? like how we figured out things from the games themselves?


		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 09:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)



		There is a chance that it's just a common surname. Just like in real life, it's likely they just share a last name. I do find it odd that the PSP version doesn't add a new scene referring to this though.


		Lordoftheflames - Your Lord has come. Bow down, or meet your demise. TALK - Why does it not surprise me that this does not work? {{{time}}}



		Is that game out yet? I thought the map would be like in Tactics where you get to construct your own map. Maybe that's not for all the places in the first game, I only played around with that game a little after my little sister bought it. She completed every mission in the game, and unlocked all the hidden characters. I don't know how hard that is to do, but it took her about three monthes.


		Lordoftheflames - Your Lord has come. Bow down, or meet your demise. TALK - Why does it not surprise me that this does not work? {{{time}}}



		Is that a long time? She didn't play everyday, and when she did play it was only for about an hour.


		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 18:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)



		The thing is however, all the Ivalices are the same place, just in different time zones, so our policy is that they share a page. Plus, this page isn't as long as some of our other pages.


		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 18:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)



		Matsuno himself has stated that the world of Ivalice in each game is the exact same world. If you want to move it, go to the forums and ask the whole wiki what should be done.


		BlueHighwind ^Q? TALK - This Land is Made of... LOVE AND PEACE!! LOVE AND PEACE!! ツ:



		This whole debate stinks of the Legend of Zelda timeline wars that have been raging for several hundred years now and have cost the lives of millions of losers with nothing better to do. Why can't you all just figure out that there is no rhyme or reason to how Ivalice/Hyrule is designed? WHY!!


		Hecko X^{talk - blog - anime rants} 22:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)



		One world, one article. Though, if you can think of a better setup for the single article than the current, create a sandbox and shows us what you got.


		AJDurai - A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny. TALK - What use is {{{time}}} if you're not gonna use it?



		I'll be gettin on that, boss (I'm sure you're one of the bosses who call the shots too). Give ma some time, yeah? >:D


		TacticAngel TALK - 00:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)



		Whenever I see big red numbers, I have to look, and I remember reading this before... Did I miss something on the forums?


		AJDurai - A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny. TALK - What use is {{{time}}} if you're not gonna use it?



		Think of this article as a portal or a directory. Pretty much well-structured, wouldn't you say?


		DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother?



		That Ivalice was just butchered after Enix and Square merged? It was perfect in Tactics, and while XII has an okay Ivalice, games like RW, Tactics Advance, and Tactics Advance 2 aren't helping the world at all. And there aren't even that many places with even the same names in XII as in Tactics, at least use the names and ruin the location!


		AzureDrake TALK - What the Christ {{{time}}}



		RW was a direct sequel to XII so that one can be slightly excused. Tactics Advanced series, the first one is IMO, a sort of "fanservice" for the Ivalice fans who aren't so diehard about it. Off the wall, I know but I remember that Enix used to work on the Dragon Quest games long time ago. Yes, very off the wall.


		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - {{{time}}}



		Did you just pull that from your ass? It sure looks like so.


		BlueHighwind ^Q? TALK - This Land is Made of... LOVE AND PEACE!! LOVE AND PEACE!! ツ:



		I had it all covered with a simple "No". Anyway, Dalmasca is not America. We don't allow losers like Vaan to go without a beating. Also Landis is certainly not Germany. Its "fon Ronsenborg", no "von Ronsenborg".


		Chocobo Knight - Excuse me while I try to think up something witty to put here... TALK - {{{time}}}



		We;;. as far as the accents are concerned, you were right. Most Dalmascans as far as I can remember had American accents. Rozarrian I think was very Spanish-like in the accents too. But you're wrong about Archadia. Most of the Archadians had English accents. Not British. British refers to Scotland, England, Ireland, Wales. No Archadians had Scottish, Irish or Welsh accents. But I get what you were saying. And I don't think the Landis accent would be German, especially since Basch and Gabranth didn't have German accents


		Chocobo Knight - Excuse me while I try to think up something witty to put here... TALK - {{{time}}}



		Well, I noticed something today...and I'm not a very experienced editor, so I just thought I'd alert some people of it...so it can be fixed. In the World of Ivalice box at the bottom, the link for Ivalice of FFTA2 instead leads to Ivalice (Final Fantasy Tactics). Since I don't know how to edit that box, I just thought I'd let you guys know :) EDIT: Aaaand someone has now fixed it! Thanks!


		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 10:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)



		I don't know abut anyone else, but for me the article just seems to stop after the Age of the Gods subsection.


		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 10:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)



		This problem ow seems to have disappeared.


		Terderrer - Come to my hands sacred light and profane darkness! Be fused and unlock an ultimate power! TALK - 4 November 2009 {{{time}}}



		It seems like the game Fortress takes place some time after Final Fantasy XII:Revenant Wings, is it ok to add this to the Ivalice timeline? Also does anyone have a clue when the events of Crystal Defenders, Crystal Defenders: Vanguard Storm, and Dive II Hunt: The Adventures of Sorbet take place? I really want to add those in as well if they are relevent


		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 18:00, November 4, 2009 (UTC)



		Fortress hasn't even been released and Crystal Defenders and Dive II hunt have no story/are not canon.


		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 10:59, January 31, 2010 (UTC)



		I was going to put the above picture to the article. But first, I want to ask something. Does Ivalice really have a different writing system? Well, I did get it from a Japanese site that claimed it was the Ivalice alphabet, but I'm not that sure.


		Terderrer TALK - 10 July 2011 Come to my hands sacred light and profane darkness! Be fused and unlock an ultimate power!



		Would it be helpful to have links to translated ultimania guides on this page and this wiki as a whole? If we all believe that what ever is written in these guides to be canon then it would atleast settle some confusion and or feuds


		Terderrer TALK - 6 September 2011 Come to my hands sacred light and profane darkness! Be fused and unlock an ultimate power!



		It is times like these that make me wish i could read Japanese. Seriously a lot of these feuds and questions could be solved and answered if we could translate one.