Talk: Gighee

Please, when you use research gained from

http://break-off.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1003

Credit us.... ——Preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.110.16.148 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

I know for sure that was not the link the information came from. 88.108.87.123 21:09, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

The link it came from was probably another that I placed up. That information came originally from my forum. Even if it has been bounced about different forums. If you send me the link I will tell you where it came from and IT WAS PROBABLY ME THAT POSTED IT.

The information about Gighee and David Bowie did not exist until I found it out. It did not exist anywhere online until that point and nor did other stuff on this wiki.

Please sign your posts by adding four tildes (~) after what you write. Also, please refrain from making multiple edits to the same thing. That's what the preview button is for. Finally, this wiki is not very source-happy, unlike others. Information is generally only sourced when the information is contested. There are also many places the information could have been found. This is not meant to be an affront to you. It's likely that it was NOT found on your site or in any way that was easily traced back to you. That's just the Internet. Bluestarultor 21:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT: I agree. It's like comparing two wikis that have the same exact information on a subject (such as between FF Wiki and Wikipedia, or example). Which one got it first? Probably Wikipedia, but if everyone is reading it through FF Wiki, they would likely think the opposite. The information may have originated from the post you made on that Forum, and the person who added that information may have found it there, but, like Blue said above, unless there is a dispute over where the information was sourced, we may never know if it came from your post, or from someone else who told about it on another Forum. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 22:12, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I wrote this ages ago but there was an edit conflict and I didn't notice:

Unless you are the user who was trying to make an accurate to the original Japanese translation, or one of his multiple translators. It was indeed a forum link, from the Qhimm board here. To be honest, it doesn't take a genius to know that Gighee is meant to be Ziggy, either a Japanese reader or a Ziggy fanatic. Or someone who can just click "Gighee" sounds like "Ziggy", and they have appearance similarities. I didn't, but I am neither of the above, nor did it click. 88.108.87.123 22:07, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Although now I look at your username, you probably are that guy... re-add it then. I still stand by "it's pretty obvious". Apparently not many people like Ziggy, play FFVII, and post on the internet, all at the same time. 88.108.87.123 22:09, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is me. The Ziggy part is pretty obvious, though the David Bowie reference isn't...

Fair enough, I will re add it.Dlpb-seifer 22:11, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Noticing a random pop culture reference does not mean you get to be sourced and use the Wiki as a plug for your forum and translation project. The reference to David Bowie is cool but its hardly something important enough to need a source. FF makes tons of pop culture references, and people notice new ones all the time, what makes you so special we need to credit you? "No one noticed this before I did". You don't know that, the game has been out for more than a decade, just because it wasn't on the Wiki before you noticed it doesn't mean you're the first. Furthermore, as you stated on the IRC, you don't own this information and really anyone could have made this connection on their own without you.

Simply put and to be very blunt - you noticed an enemy is a reference to David Bowie. Good for you. But you don't need or deserve any sort of reward or recognition for it. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:26, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

As I keep explaining to you, this is 1 thing of many which I have noticed (such as Accessory names and Weapon names being updated) and the others I cannot prove. This particular one I can. Yet no reference is allowed here either? Well this is all very petty but it has wasted enough of my time. I will simply instruct anyone using information from my forum to reference it. I didn't want a huge argument with you, all I actually wanted was a small credit somewhere but since this wasn't allowed, a small reference would have sufficed. I am getting neither haha, but it doesn't matter, I think anyone with half a brain can work out who is doing what around here since we are the only ones actually doing any proper translation or documenting absolutely everything.

Ciao. Dlpb-seifer 22:33, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Edit conflicts ahoy!

He may not have been the first, but he was first on the internet. And still the only. Type ["Ziggy" "Gighee"] in search (everything inside the brackets) and see how few results you get. Now type ["Gilgamesh" "Power Rangers"]. Notice the difference in results. 88.108.87.123 22:35, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

"He may not have been the first, but he was first on the internet." - Again, this means what exactly? It means exactly nothing. Good for you, so? Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:37, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

It means that this isn't just something any random person can figure out. You may think it is, but the evidence says otherwise. Now, "It's morphin' time" isn't something as hard to figure out. Many people can work it out. Ziggy is still a little known thing.

And as the person who added it to the article, I can say that the link he suggests adding is exactly my source, or essentially, the source of my source, but both written by him.

The wiki steals information all the time. Most of the time it is information retrieved from game hackers (or even people who have played the game, used Scan, and recorded the data), but this is a pop-culture reference which can be drawn back all the way to just one person. The link just explains the literal names of things in VII. In itself, it's actually the kind of source the wiki could steal (or make use of and then credit) to make the wiki better. It's the translations, which would end up being used in a fan-project, but the source is the work of expert Japanese translators, not of VII fanboys. 88.108.87.123 22:48, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou 88.108.87.123 , for understanding :) Dlpb-seifer 04:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)