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I remember[]

CSM

More facts?[]

... Everything here is mostly specualtion xD!"Creatures from another world","Darkest Final Fantasy".

Until Wikimedia adds a 'no fanboys can edit' rule that's the way it will be >.< --Auron Kaizer 08:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

ay ye yai[]

guys everyone knows the "stranger" in the trailer is cloud, he's just a lot cooler now.

Gilgamesh from Chocobo to Mahou no Ehon
Holy Kain Artwork
Carbuncle

Logo hints[]

I can already hear the fangirl squeals..,[]

Gilgamesh from Chocobo to Mahou no Ehon

New trailer[]

Recorded in the Square Enix store in Japan. Note that the music is NOT from Versus XIII, it's from Lost Odyssey by Nobuo Uematsu. Bluer 21:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Red to Blue[]

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HIS NAME IS... NOCTIS[]

- Zack fair 007 03:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

As confirmed by the links given by AndresTiger (thanks for those). one and two. -- YuanSaluto!Acta 03:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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Yunalesca1
Woton
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You can call him "The protagonist formerly known as Prince" though. Fire 2 15:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Carbuncle

new trilaer?[]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUZlzt_fcBw&feature=related --Zack fair 007 05:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Location names[]

Carbuncle

You could put them on the Nav; but then I wouldn't link them or anything. It could prove to be a little more insight into the game.  ILHI 22:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

ripoff[]

The whole bloody thing is a rip of FFVIII. Think about it, would it KILL square enix to come up with an original idea! at least XII TRIED to be somewhat original. Exdeath64 05:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, the game's not even out yet and you're criticising the plot. Whatever happened to having an open mind? — YuanSaluto!Acta 05:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Appearantly we haven't seen the same game. I haven't seen any similarities to VIII. Sounds more similar to Drakengard.--Werefang 16:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Release date[]

According to Machinima, the release date is April 30, 2010. How would that be put in?--Werefang 16:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Robed Figure[]

Where is it shown or stated that the robed figure is a man? Drake Clawfang 03:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I cannot see it made clear anywhere. I am of the assumption that the figure was left ambiguous for a reason. All I can see is that he is blonde. (Note that I use "he" as a gender-neutral pronoun.) Eric Ryan Jones 01:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Stella = Yuna?[]

Has anyone else noticed that Stella's outfit is quite similar to Yuna's summoner outfit? They even have the same color scheme and everything! 67.142.161.32 12:45, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Cloud Alt UT

Etymology[]

Cloud Alt UT
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Dying or near death ?[]

During the conversation, the two mention that they can see the light, and Noctis wonders if they are dying.


I have seen that conversation being translated in two very different ways, one implies that they can see the light because they are dying and the other implies that they both suffered a near-death experience in the past, the latter makes more sense to me.


S: You can see the light, right? Was that what you were looking at from below the stairs?

N: Pretty much. When did you start seeing it?

S: When I was a child.

N: A near death experience I presume.

S: Yes. You too?

N: It was pretty bad.


Noctis: That's right. When did you start seeing it?

Stella: Since I was a child.

Noctis: I guess that means you're dying.

Stella: Yes. Are you also dying?

Noctis: My bad.


It might be redundant to ask this since I don't have the original japanese but what the heck :P


95.136.108.162 19:30, April 25, 2010 (UTC)Mr.Anon

E3 2010[]

I was reading on gamespot.com that the game will appear at E3 2010. http://e3.gamespot.com/e3-showfloor-map. Bjarnster 21:37, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

YAY Cannot wait for some info!! Mask no Oni 16:09, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Setting: Economic Standing and Nation Rating[]

Well, from what I can tell from Versus, there will be nations that are advanced in technology and knowledge, and there will be developing nations, still amidst conflict. So, is it right to say so? That's pretty realistic in a sense. Mask no Oni 16:10, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

FFX2ShinraOmega

We've known for awhile now that it won't have any connection to FFXIII whatsoever other than the mention of crystals. ProtoExia 01:55, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

FFX2ShinraOmega

The same crystals present in nearly ALL of Final Fantasy, be they the traditional ones or renamed as Huge Materia. ;) Bluestarultor 22:02, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

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monsters[]

look at this vid i found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3BFn104oaQ

noctis is fighting a behemoth at 0:18- 0:25 part ★Crescent moon★ 05:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Cocoon?[]

So..... is this one set in cocoon at a different time or is it an ENTIRELY different location --J Shepard 17:09, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Tonberry FFXIII


2012? *sigh*[]

According to the FF wiki versus page, Final Fantasy Versus XIII might be released by the end of 2011.. :/ God that bums me out.

Suzaku[]

This sounds a little strange, so bear with me.
In Agito XIII, you control characters in the Suzaku region. Chances are, you save the region and keep your crystal there at the end of the game. Considering Versus XIII is set in the last place with control of a crystal, do you think it might be in the Suzaku region after Agito XIII? If I'm right, then it would go Agito, Versus and then main XIII chronologically. Does that make any sense? 1stclasswarrior 19:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think all the Fabula Nova Crystallis games take place in separate worlds. The worlds have the same gods, and thus some of the same mythology, but that's about it.Keltainentoukokuu 19:39, November 8, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
Yeah, there's zero indication they're all the same world so much as the same universe. We've seen all of 13's world, but it's vastly different from Agito's world as far as we've had it shown to us, which even extends to the setup of the map. There's actually not much indication that Versus will share basic elements with the other two. The crystals are being used in the traditional sense, rather than in relation to l'Cie, and even the main deity being used in its lore is a different one than in 13, although they're not mutually exclusive. Versus may not see a concept of l'Cie at all. The three games have connections, but they're not one and the same. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 20:08, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Details from "CLOUD message" booklet[]

Honestly, I feel a bit dumb for not having done this sooner. Ages ago, Dengeki put out a DVD called "CLOUD" that contained trailers, and also a booklet called "CLOUD message", which notably featured photographs of planning boards for the three Fabula Nova Crystallis projects. Nobody seemed to pay too much attention to it. So, that came out in late 2008, and it's now 2011, and has mostly been forgotten. A quick glance quickly clarified some stuff, however.

Translation for the Versus XIII board:

ルシス←ニフルハイム
[魔法結界]
破壊の規模は?→建物は破壊する
Lucis <- Niflheim
[Magical Barrier]
Scale of destruction? -> Building destroyed

First bit of text clearly spells out Niflheim, and appears to describe a scene (concept art to right) in which a magical barrier destroys (a) building(s).


コンビニ
戸越?晴れ?目黒?
独り暮らし
Convenience store
Togoshi? Hare? Meguro?
Singles apartments
立体交差
-電車
-高速
Mutli-level crossing
-Electric train
-High speed

Second chunks of text appear to describe some possible locations within the city, including a convenience store, possible real world models for subway stations, and housing where people live alone. Also describe a high speed train system.

リージョンA / リージョンB
雲海の上に / 上昇
リージョンA / リージョンB
・フィルター / ・エフェクト
ワールド→リージョン(ABC)→エリア(ABC)
Region A / Region B
Above the Sea of Clouds / Rising
Region A / Region B
・Filter / ・Effect
World -> Region (ABC) -> Area (ABC)

A small sketch which appears to show the scale of regions for airships, indicating a general overhead view (with Region A and Region B visible), and then a view from higher up, amongst the clouds, with the regions appearing smaller. Then a note of some sort of filter effects. Beneath that seems to be a plan to describe the world in three levels of detail, with a world map, then various regions, futher divided into areas. The screenshots here go along with this planning concept, and appear to show the overworld map, Noct standing in a region, and then Noct with placeholder party members in individual areas of a region.

<ファルシ>←4系
<エトロ系>←2系
<機動兵器>→魔導アーマー
ニフルのみ?
<fal'Cie> <- Type 4
<Etro Type> <- Type 2
<Mobile Weapons> -> Magic Armor
Nifl only?

Not entirely sure what these tie too, perhaps soldiers or types of enemies within Niflheim or their army. The Mobile Weapons term clearly points to concept art of a mech.


武器改造→ストック→素手?実体化
ノクト→武器召還
Weapon shuffle -> Stock -> bare-handed? -> Materialized
Noct -> Weapon Summoner

Section describes how Noctis summons his weapons, and describes him as a "weapon summoner" (Bukishoukan).

重要
生態系を作る!
改略性→攻略性
(巨大ボス)-(エトロ系)
Important
Revise -> Capture
Build an ecosystem!
(Huge Boss) - (Etro Type)

Not entirely sure what this refers to, seems to be general notes for either area or enemy design? Hard to say.

Anyway, that might clarify a little bit of what we know. At the very least, we now know the proper spelling of "Niflheim". FF-Suzaku 12:25, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Tons of new info.[]

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/01/nomura_ffxvxiii_famitsu/

Dunno if we already knew about any of this, but one of our favorite sources just did a massive info dump. Sadly, it is late and I'm fried, so I leave it to everyone else to sort through all the info and see what's new. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 02:56, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Disappoint[]

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I think he means the more traditional turn-based style of play. Using something like the ATB system or another variant. I, on the other hand, welcome change, especially a new battle system. It looks good so far and the more action-oriented combat style may appeal to a broader audience. We'll just have to wait to see more of the game hopefully at this year's E3 before we jump to any major conclusions. Kamikaze Pardee 06:06, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
I totally agree with you. The battle system looks awesome. With more interaction and stuff. Kayreeed Cocoon Sig TALK 07:25, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
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bad news[]

ive got bad news, i talked to gamestop whe i went to go pick up my copy of FF 4 CC, and this game is oficaly a JP exculsive game, the got thew news the other day that FF Versuse 13 is japan only, if you dont belive me go ask Gamestop, just to make sure i asked 3 diffrent gamestops, they all said the same thing, and they were in diffrent locations, that Veruse 13 is NOT COMMING TO THE USA, sorry guys.........SamusAran201 14:49, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that. Unless we get specific details directly from Square-Enix, we can still assume that Versus will be an international release. In my opinion, it would be stupid of Square not to. As for FFIV Complete Collection, maybe the stores didn't have them. There's even a few English screenshots of the game on FFIV Complete Collection's page. When I went to get my copy of Dissidia 012, there was only 2 copies left and I didn't preorder. The clerk informed me that most GameStops now only stock up on games that they know are going to be big releases, other than that they just get as many as preordered plus a few extra.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 21:22, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

this sucks i was so looking forwards to playing versus :( :( :( why cant square care about the non japanese players for once. >:( i guess i'll have to import but i hope people make a fan translation or something because it looks like the game will have a good story but if its in japanese i wont understand anyu of it :( Kappa the Imp 11:10, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Gamestop is hardly a primary source, no stores that aren't owned by Gamestop have been checked, and doing this would fall under the category of 'massively stupid'. Do take this with a grain of salt.
Also, Samus, learn to spell. Seriously, that massive compound sentence is a wreck to look at. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:10, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, even IGN is more reliable than Gamestop. ={ I went there to pick up Dissidia 012 and the guy was like, "Isn't that an anime?" We should only trust anything Square officially announces, because 99% of the time, it's correct. ;) SquallRocks 22:17, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
D012's an anime? WTF?! lolol. this site is more reliable, as it releases official newshttp://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd362/KayRC/wikisig-2.png

Dumb Excuse[]

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Release date?[]

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When's E3?? http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd362/KayRC/wikisig-2.png
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OMG when is this game going to get released????? 205.215.84.14 15:06, November 2, 2011 (UTC)


"Cancelled due to lack of interest and funding"[]

Would someone place a lock on editing this page until the previous editor finds the 'source' that indicates Versus XIII has supposedly been cancelled. A gentle reminder that posting rumors as fact is a form of vandalism.

Some website called EBGames made a statement that it was, and lots of people believed it. But Square said no such thing.C A T U S E22:43, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
I hope they don't cancel it like they did Fortress. The anon is right though. If the person keeps posting it we may have to lock the page. And EBGames sucks for posting something without an offical statement from Square. AmbieSushi 23:25, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
I doubt they will, and yeah, it's like Bikke. After looking at the edit history, I'm in favor of semiprotection. As for EBGames, I looked around and it certainly seems that EBGames has done this rubbish before.C A T U S E23:28, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Whoa whoa. Calm down with the fuss. There's no reason to protect a page if we can solve it through discussion. - Henryacores^ 23:38, December 4, 2011 (UTC)]]
Catuse and I left the anon a message. AmbieSushi 23:48, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous. I've just read in an article that the scenarios are finished. Though that would probably be false too. yeah_93, Visit my Dissidia Characters Guide! 23:51, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

By Scenario, they mean the plot. That's old news. Square Enix always prepares plot, characters and setting as a priority. - Henryacores^ 23:57, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
They have more than that finished, though. This game has a buttload of resources at this point and most if not all of the systems seemingly coded. Trust me, it makes no sense to cancel it now. Most of the work is already done judging by what they've shown. In fact, at this point cancelling the game would mean a huge hit to Square Enix as a company. There's a lot of money already dumped into the project, a lot of time they could never get back, and even if they could absorb the financial blow, the public backlash would not be something they could fix easily. Cancelling this project could literally destroy them at this point. They very much need this one to get out there and make returns. Games as a whole are basically a "rob Peter to pay Paul" system. You take the profits from the last one to make the next one because production costs are so high. They quite simply need to release this one, even if it's a haphazard pile of unfinished bits, because any money they can make back is less money lost. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 00:11, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
In other words, if they don't make lots of money off of vXIII and Type-0, Square Enix will probably self-destruct or get bought out by some other company. And whenever Square merges with another company, it gets worse. *shudder* Point in case, they are NOT cancelling vXIII.C A T U S E00:20, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Not exactly. More like because they have so many other games they'd probably survive, but they'd take a financial hit that would cripple their ability to make another big game for a while, their stock would probably take a dive, and the public wouldn't be happy with them. All things that are not good for a company and would take years to recover from. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 00:25, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: I guess my language came off a bit strong before. When I said it could destroy them, I wasn't thinking of the Enix side for one, but to be honest, it would likely heavily damage them. I'd say it would take at least two to actually put them under. They'd be able to crank out smaller things, but it would impede all the big projects they have in progress. The company itself would survive, just not as we know it. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 00:32, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I found a quote by Nomura from an interview about Kingdom Hearts 3D that occurred last year:

"Interviewer: The conversations that Sora and Riku have with TWEWY characters are quite comical, like Shiki being harsh to Riku.

Nomura: For Sora and Riku who have grown up on the island, Neku and his friends who grew up in a modern city contrast quite a bit. Since I’ve been writing the scenarios for Final Fantasy Versus XIII concurrently as I work on KH3D, maybe some of that has had an influence" AmbieSushi 06:11, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Development with Years[]

I happen to really like this system of showing what was said on what year. That way anybody who is interested can watch the slow trickle of information as time went by. Maybe all the pages should have some kind of timeline system to let people know how the games matched or changed from their original announcements. It would be really interesting to see that with FFXIII or FFXII, games with really long development times that changed drastically behind the scenes. EDIT: A system like this would also let players know when the producers outright lie about the games they are making, such as with FFXIII-2, which ended up nothing like the first reports said it would be. ----BlueHighwind 21:44, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

It's not lying as much as it the game changeing. It's often not feesable to include everything you planned for various reasons. (Don't have the money, time, tech, doesn't fit with where the story went or the tone, didn't work as well as you wanted, didn't work right and was unable to be debugged well enough within the time and budget... just to namea few

Information Regarding Release[]

Has there been any new information as to when this game may even be close to releasing? The Ulysses 17:26, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Not yet, but E3 is coming up in June, so it's possible we'll see something then. Now that Kingdom Hearts 3D and all of the other announced "Fabula Nova Crystallis" games have been released in Japan, I would hope that priority would go to finally getting this game out there and done with. --Mizukithepanda 21:03, May 21, 2012 (UTC)Mizukithepanda

There are some uncertain news that tells that a coversation between Square Enix workers which says that the development for Versus XIII have been finished and its release date will be unveiled at TGS 2012. I know that psxextreme.com and some other sites say it, but right now we can't be really certain if this is some rumour or truth.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 18:37, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XV?[]

Ff8-laguna
Beatrix-battle

Nothing should be done until there's an official announcement. - Henryacores^ 14:04, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently this topic was brought up on FF.net as well article here. I'll be honest, I find my self hating this game a lot of the time since the team making it, is the same team that makes the main KH installments. So KH fans such as my self have to wait till game is either finished, or canceled, in order to get KHIII. That and I am not fond of the design of the main character, at all. PArt of me says it being changed to FFXV makes more sense than VSXIII due to how long its been developed. But at the same time that would make Noctis the lead hero of a main entry of the FF series, rather than a side game, would qualify him to be in a future Dissidia. I do not like him, at all. And I do not want him in dissidia, we have enough depressed, angsty, emo, cry-baby, wears-nothing-but-black characters in that game series. So I'm hoping it doesn't get turned into a main title, but I understand as to why it could/would be. and if it does, I know I now have the perfect punching bag for the possible next installment of the dissidia series at the very least.
Ixbran (talk) 05:49, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Meh...[]

... I don't know why, but I'm disappointed. When I first heard the title, I immediately thought of every protagonist from past games waging war against the cast of XIII :P. I truly did want to see Vivi fry Snow with a Firaga. Meh. Sometimes... you have to leave somethings to your imagination... Hehe, Snow doesn't stand a chance! 67.244.5.142 21:22, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Rumours of cancellation[]

I was the one who added the bit about the rumours, and I know it's gonna be controversial if let stay as we don't usually do rumours. So I thought I would clarify why I thought it would have room in our scope.

I think the game being rumoured of having been cancelled is still part of the "history" of the game and something that may be of value to a reader who comes to the wiki looking info on Versus. If it turns out to be false, it would be in the "history" section that it was rumoured at this time of having been cancelled, but this and that info debunked it... and if it turns out SE will never release anything new on the game then well... then things are left less in a limbo.

It's not official info, but we are not an official site either... we should decide what to include on the basis on what is considered relevant information and remove stuff that is considered irrelevant. I thought using neutral language, say that it is a rumour, and have SE's answer to the rumour, is solid enough to have a mention. A reader will find that it is not official, and have a source that they can check, and have SE's answer to it, and then they can decide how much weight to put on it; what we would be doing would be just to acknowledge that such thing exists, and SE has said their piece on it.

But I won't object to its removal, if people think it's not within our scope to say.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:00, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's good since it's been going on for so long with little to no info coming out, so we're justified in putting something in. Anyways, kinda on this note, I think it's best to continue reverting random users who take that info out with no explanation. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:06, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Rumours of cancellations should be include in coverage, as should any rumour announced by Kotaku and similar game-news companies.
We aren't including rumours, we're including facts, something that actually happened. The rumours happened and had a significant enough impact, so why shouldn't we include them?
On the same line, I still don't think anyone has given a decent rebuttle for why we can't include content such as the Aeris resurrection rumour, or R=U. It's called reporting on something that happened and is known by a significant amount of people. It's not including rumours, it's reporting on them. 79.69.197.85 20:16, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ehhhhh....I would pull the "too soon" card in this case. Right now, it's just a baseless rumor much like a similar (and convenient) rumor that popped up around the same time about the development of FFXV that turned out to be total BS. This rumor's not even 24 hours old yet. I'd give it some time to make the rounds, get debunked or bolstered, or perhaps even outright denied by Square-Enix. We didn't put that "Valiant Saga" rumor up on the wiki anywhere when it first appeared(or did we?), and it's since been shown to be a hoax. I say we wait and see on this one as well.

If in a month it's still a persistently talked about rumor...maybe.... Even then...it's still a rumor and I would wait until another gaming convention comes and goes and SE is completely silent on the game's development before posting a rumor that basically amounts to a RIP statement on the game. Honestly, I find it far-fetched to begin with. You don't put as much hype into something like this as SE has and then expect the fans to let it go quietly into the night. Not gonna happen. If Versus is cancelled for real, I'm fairly confident SE will have an official statement saying so. Espritduo (talk) 20:18, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

That's a good point. The schedules for their upcoming shows are decided already though...and no Versus as far as I know... it doesn't still mean they can't pull it up as a black horse. It is slippery, but it's not just Kotaku saying it... and even if Kotaku is a dodgy source because they jump the gun and just generally have a lot of errors...I also doubt that they just made it up out of nothing (because it's not like Versus is massive news anymore that making this up makes a big deal for their site). And SE had a chance to say that they are full of shit, they have the power to debunk it now if they want to.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:26, July 20, 2012 (UTC)EDIT:The game being "hyped" is mostly in circles like us here in the wiki. Versus is not big news and a big deal in the general gaming world. If anything, SE hasn't hype it for a long time. It would be a dipshit thing to do to just let it pass quietly, but in this here crazy world the higher ups' salaries are based on the company's value in the stock market... It's bollocks but what can you do.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:31, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think a rumor belongs to that section, at least until Square makes an official statement. And even if Square says that the game is still being made, it wouldn't belong there.yeah_93 20:21, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

We have a source of the rumor. Say what you will about Kotaku, but they're a well-known site that should be acknowledged. If it's false, it's just one more thing to note when we find out. This rumor is going to spread as more of their readers find and repeat it, so even if they made it up, it's not going to stay small. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 20:27, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't believe the rumors, Squeenix has put WAY too much money into vXIII to abandon it now. HOWEVER, we should add it into the article -- BUT make it clear that it might be just a rumor. Every time Kotaku starts one of these things, a bunch of sites cites them as a source and then blushes in embarassment when it turns out they got it wrong. The only reason this is notable is because that's already happening with this rumor, and it's only been a few days (I think). C A T U S E 20:33, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh I hope you are right, I really wanted to play Versus.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:37, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I am all for including the rumor blurb. For one, like others said, it isn't posting a baseless rumor, it is reporting one, and a decently-investigated one at that. If the rumor was open-ended and not addressed by Square Enix the way it was, I'd say it was baseless. But the moment some kind of official word is put in, I think it counts for an important point to make. For now, considering there is no new info on vs13 for the longest time, staying in the intro seems ok, but in future if this rumor is baseless it still deserves mention in the history or development sections.. if it is true, then it can be used as a supporting argument. News is news. Popular fan theories deserve mention in the same way, so long as it is put in the right section and stated explicitly. People who don't play XI or XIV seem to forget that the game is not divisible from its community. Rumors can gain traction, and a lot of them do result in developer response..

Personally, I really want to play versus 13, but I'd honestly prefer it to be XV... if only because there's no other FF(word)# game anymore and its the odd one out since AgitoXIII became Type-0 --Spira (talk) 20:47, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I believe you should read this: http://thesilentchief.com/2012/07/20/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-canceled-not-so-fast/ Rumors are RUMORS, even with sources, I believe we should remove it until we get official statements about the game from Square. yeah_93 20:50, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

We aren't saying the rumor's true though, we're acknowledging that it exists. There's a difference. It's already starting to become part of the fandom, with all these news sites arguing over whether it exists or not. The only way to know it's true is to hold somebody from Kotaku or Squeenix at gunpoint. Yeah, I don't think that's a great plan either. C A T U S E 20:57, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
and so we have another rumor that aims to disprove first rumor. they're all rumors. The fact that there are rumors is notable tho. They don't necessarily have to be true, but they still count as news. Wanna know the biggest rumor in the world? 21 Dec 2012. Is it reported in the wiki of the world? Yes. Is it taken as fact? No. And thats where we should be drawing the line. Document it's existence and let people decide whether they want to believe it or not. There is nothing bad about a rumor, only passing it as fact makes it so.--Spira (talk) 21:05, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Exactly, but I'm just saying we should remove them from that section, and put it in the Development section. Otherwise, consiedering your arguments, we should add the other rumor there as well. yeah_93 21:11, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said before, the rumor's not even a day old yet. It by no means has gained enough traction to be even considered worthy of being mentioned as part of the "history" of the game's development, if that's the angle you want to use to justify putting it on the page. What if it's disproved tomorrow? Wow, a rumor that lasted one day and then was debunked and immediately forgotten along with the 93,704 other false rumors. That's annal-worthy, for sure. At the rate this single blurb by Kotaku is being blown out of proportion across the net, something more concrete and official is going to slip from SE sooner or later. Give it time, be patient, and WAIT. The sky hasn't fallen yet. Espritduo (talk) 21:28, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

If it's debunked tomorrow then we'll edit it tomorrow. It's good to stay current, yeah? The articles are meant to be malleable, that's one great advantage to a wiki-style encyclopaedia. The relevant question to think about is, that a person hears the rumour today, comes to the FFWiki today to check what it says here, is it better or worse if they see it mentioned? Does it make the reader trust he wiki's currentness and accuracy more or make him trust it less?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 22:40, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I've always been of the mind that rumors are just plain bad, period, and should not be covered on the wiki no matter how "big" they get. We aren't a rumor mill, we should be a source for reliable, trustworthy info. In fact, I find plastering the rumor on the Versus page and on the Shinra News page to be detrimental to the cause, not helpful. People coming to the Wiki and seeing it on the Shinra News and the Versus page are going to think there's more credence to this rumor than there really is. They're trusting us because we're a supposed to have true information here, and yet they shouldn't be in this case. If the New York Times publishes a rumor, even if they call it a rumor, people are going to be much more likely to believe it, simply because it's a respectable, unbiased, fact-based publication reporting it. I know, I know, people lol when you say any wiki is a respectable, unbiased fact-based source of information, and it's situations like this that support that opinion. All we're doing is helping to spread this rumor even more, when we should be demanding accountability and stamping the fires out, not fanning them. If a rumor is the last and final thing we ever hear of Versus, then that's what we'll have to go with. In time. Right now, it's just too soon for the Final Fantasy Wiki to be supporting such a nascent rumor. If people are truly curious about where we each personally stand, they can come here to the talk page and read all about it. But the main page? No sir, I don't like it. /horseface

Square-Enix, being a big, professional, company, is not going to say anything in regards to this rumor until they've carefully and meticulously thought about what they're going to say and how they're going to say it, and if it's worth the time and money to say anything at all(it usually isn't). It takes time for the gears to turn, the statements to go through the many hands of the PR department, and official stamps of approval to be attached to anything anyone might say. I'd give SE a week before they make any comment on this rumor, if they plan to at all. Now, some employee might jump the gun and spill the beans(and probably get yelled at, suspended, or fired for it), but it's going to be a bit before SE makes any kind of real statement on this. In the meantime, we're only going to get stock, safe responses like "cannot confirm or deny anything, we have no information at this time, please wait" from them. I say we listen, and WAIT.

Remember, this is not a "decently-investigated" rumor. It's one, lone unsourced, unsupported statement by one, lone ENGLISH gaming site(where are the Japanese on this? What's Famitsu saying? Are they laughing at us stupid, gullible Americans right now?) that has been known to spread rumors that turned out to be wrong in the past. Give me corroborating evidence. Give me even one other site that isn't just parroting Kotaku, and I'll start to believe. Right now, it's all "Kotaku says something, so let's all have a funeral" and I'm going to remain skeptical. Espritduo (talk) 23:14, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

We are not and will never be a rumor mill. Of course SE has no official statement, they don't commentate on bullshit, and neither should we. It's embarrassing to even acknowledge these rumors. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:23, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, and a reminder of how rumors were handled about Dissidia and D012 - we waited for official confirmation. Why should this situation be any different? And no, "quietly fade into obscurity" isn't an answer, it's an excuse. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:25, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
So when SE do let it fade into obscurity... THEN WHAT? Do we some time down the line think maybe we should add in that in 2012 Kotaku reported rumours of SE silently cancelling Versus XIII?
"Of course SE has no official statement, they don't commentate on bullshit"
Say what? Yes they do. If they are asked a question in an interview they give an answer. And they often bullshit in that answer.
"We are not and will never be a rumor mill."
What does that even mean? When a rumour from a game-news-site regards the fate of a game in development it is definitely of interest. Besides, if people hear that Versus XIII is cancelled they may come here to find out about it. If they come here and see we claim it is a rumour then they are satisfied. If it's not here then they search elsewhere and find a biased website that probably makes it sound like scientific truth. 79.69.197.85 23:50, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well some well-awaited long-development games, do have a story of having rumours of cancellations, coming from the creators before official statement (yes or no) is given. I do say that adding the rumour is important, after all we're talking about one of the most awaited games of the series, and it's the newest news of the moment, sort of. At least it means we may get something regarding Versus in some short time. --BGMaxie (talk) 23:37, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

"We aren't including rumours, we're including facts, something that actually happened. The rumours happened and had a significant enough impact, so why shouldn't we include them?"

This is very fallible logic. Someone can say an event occurred without that event actually occurring. I'd be inclined to wait for Square's next Versus update. Once XIII-2 was finished, didn't they say they were giving full attention to Type-0 and Versus? 8bit 23:44, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Huh? Yes, someone can say an event occurred when it did not. We would then say that someone claimed that the event occurred, but not state that it did. We would source the person that stated the event occurred.
That's the idea. We're reporting on rumours, not claiming them to be truth. 79.69.197.85 23:50, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
By reporting them we give them validity and appear to support them. Look at the situation now, would the rumors be so prevelant if it was just Kotaku saying this and other websites weren't regurgitating the information? Shall we start reporting every little rumor now?
"I do say that adding the rumour is important, after all we're talking about one of the most awaited games of the series, and it's the newest news of the moment, sort of" - a quiet newsday is no excuse to report bullshit. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:55, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

First off: guys, this page was at +9,999 in RC after Esprit's "a day old" comment - you ruined it! ;_;

Second (and more important): I actually got around to reading the Kotaku article. I no longer support adding this to the article, unless this doesn't die down after a week. If it does, then it's certainly notable, but it's pretty obvious Kotaku's just messing with us. Whether Squeenix vaporware'd it and Kotaku just happens to be getting it right, I have no idea. However, lookie here:

Kotaku has heard from several sources that the game, as originally intended, is done for.

The Kotaku page

What are these several sources? Citogenesis is the only thing that explains those sources, as the websites that cover this all cite Kotaku. Also: what does as originally intended mean? The game was originally intended to be cancelled? That don't even make any sense!

So yeah, this just makes us look bad as a website, and it isn't even that notable. More websites are using this as an opportunity to attack Kotaku then to say that it's the truth. C A T U S E 00:36, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Another thing I hadn't thought about is that Versus is supposedly having some DLC songs for Theatrhythm? That's a pretty recent exposure to that game. As for anonymous sources...in journalism what are called anonymous sources are usually legit (think of people on TV who have their faces blurred and voices changed because they want to stay anonymous), but what it comes to Kotaku's journalism standards though may be a different story...they would need to be more transparent on where it's from. The "as originally intended" probably refers to their theory on Versus's assets being moved to as part of another game.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:02, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I like how people are talking about "our reputation" and "how this makes us look" when we already have tons of of incomplete and potentially false gameplay-related content. I guess I wish people would actually make constructive edits instead of debating semantics and theory all the time. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:13, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

But then all the more important to strive for higher standards, wouldn't you say? If you know about an article that has potentially false gameplay info, then please bring it up, let's try fix it.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
I fix minor errors as I notice them, and set up talk pages for any major changes. Everyone is here to help the wiki in different ways, according to their own talents, resources, and time commitment. Personally, I find the glaring lack of concept art to be the thing I can help with the most at the moment, so that is where I commit myself, one game at a time. Later, I'll start working on filling out translations again, and then after that probably filling in missing/incorrect enemy stats. Others will do their own thing in their own time, and overall, progress is made from all sides towards a better wiki. Drawn out debates and semantics are also part of the process of any major or controversial change, and unfortunately are unavoidable if you want a truly reputable wiki. I would be more worried if people made changes willy-nilly without any regard for the repercussions(even if they do so with good intentions), and there was no one who cared enough to say "Whoa there, let's talk about this first." Espritduo (talk) 01:51, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Arbitrary break[]

To me it seems like gameplay edits are made mostly by anon or new users. The funny thing is that the "regulars" immediately jump on any new policy discussion or trivia bit. This tells me that they are lurking and they do have lots of time, they just don't care about anything they consider to be beneath them. Anyways, Drake is already starting to revert anything that deals with "rumors". He also changed the IRC banner to "don't trust Kotaku rumors" or something to that effect, maybe to convince himself of his own opinion. So far this discussion hasn't been terribly helpful. And Kelt, I'm not interested in going thru every article and picking out dubious information, partly because I haven't played some of these games in so long. My point was more that we lack so much content. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:09, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think there is truth to what you say. A lot of people who have been here a while may not actually actively play the FF games anymore, so that also limits their ability to make gameplay related edits, but they are knowledgeable on wiki policy and how things are usually done here, allowing them to take part in discussions on these topics. I think this discussion has been helpful in clarifying people's opinion on the issue.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 02:25, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
i concur. There are tons of articles in this wiki that are either incomplete or have points that are flat out wrong, and whilst it is easy to point out that you have the power to change it in a wiki, it isn't easy when you're dealing with hundreds of pages of such content. Maybe no one seems to remember that people treat FFXI like the bastard child of the series and even basic coverage is inadequate for a main series FF.
The issue at hand is really how to deal with rumors, not how to deal with Kotaku. In choosing not to report new rumors that rise (albeit possibly in more proper sections, such as development or rumors) we lose relevance as being a timely source of information, which I think is what Kelt is also trying to get at. News should typically be credible and timely. I know I don't ever come here to confirm a media report about an FF related stuff because it's picked up so slowly - whether it be a press release or interview or any kind of announcement. If we don't want to be a place for that, thats fine, but know that people expect us to be. By having any kind of statements that acknowledges reports are being made (but not necessarily their accuracy), we increase our timeliness, and our relevance.
Saying that spreading the Kotaku report gives it credibility is a fallacy, as is claiming the rumor itself is unreliable because its source is unreliable. The fact that its explicitly stated to be a rumor waives itself of the burden of proof, for now. Similarly, ff Famitsu reported a rumor and explicitly said it was, it is still a rumor - the source lends no credence.
Finally, in journalism, its often difficult to cite your source because it may be an insider leak or someone who is not supposed to be a source. Newsmakers do this to protect their sources and also future scoops they may obtain from said source. I personally know a fair bit more than I am allowed to lead on with regards to certain FF titles (tho I can outright tell you it isn't this one), but I can either keep it to myself, or perhaps spurn a tale and call it a speculation/prediction when I know its already going to happen. And I've done the latter a few times already. Maybe people don't care, but I was the one who broke the story about a possible 5th expansion pack for XI, and even then I was withholding some information I knew and relying on other tools and opinionated misdirection to protect my sources. This is often the case with most rumors on websites, unless they're rumor mills and fabricate stories for the sake of attention. I'm not saying this is the case with Kotaku, but that we don't know until we know.--Spira (talk) 04:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
The topic change in the IRC was me, and it's because I'm sick of explaining to people that Kotaku is not to be trusted. They have a long track record of being inaccurate, so without a valid source, their claims are less than worthless. I am not going to comment on the rest of what you've said, because frankly, I do not care. If I see an error, I fix it, that's all I can do.
It is of my opinion that we should not have rumours in the mainspace at all. We are about facts, not giving attention to so called journalists who can't back things up. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 02:41, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
It's not that unusual for IRC topic to be used as a noticeboard, since so many users who edit sporadically and don't pay attention to talk pages are on 24-7 there.
The rest of what you said is true though, but not to the extent you're making it out to be. Plenty of "regulars" come out of the woodwork when their specialty calls for them. An example is Jeppo and FFfangirl. Respectively, they create enemy and story pages for new games -- and flooded the wiki after the XIII-2 release -- and so did Jimcloud and Kaimi, among other users. I should sort out the Unused Files list, but am just too lazy at the moment. Some day... C A T U S E 02:53, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
Gotta agree with some comments there. Specially the one that said, that it'd be wise to wait and see if this fire keeps spreading. If it does it is worth mentioning, if it isn't then let it die along the other cesspool of junk out there. --BGMaxie (talk) 02:56, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

We deal in fact, not in rumor. Kotaku has a history of reporting false rumors to generate views and hype/antihype, and seeing as how their only sources for this rumor all cite back to Kotaku, it should be a definitive no. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:01, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

There is no reason to include this speculation. I would like to direct you to Project:Verifiability, which states:

Respectable online gaming reviewers. Articles in this classification should be formally written and directly reference material revealed by Square Enix.

And under sources that are not acceptable:

Online forums or speculation websites.

Kotaku notably fails both of those stipulations. Until an actual source from SE shows up or such a source is used by an actual reputable website, this is never going into the article nor any article in this wiki. ScatheMote 03:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this should be added as we have no solid source other than Kotaku. Also, Nomura openly mentioned he worked on Kingdom Hearts 3D and Versus ãt the same time and compared their settings. - Henryacores^ 04:11, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

It might be worth adding a editor-only visible note in the article asking people not to add this, similar to the one that says not to change the "TBA." I know a lot of people just ignore these, but had I seen such a note, I certainly would not have attempted to add the information. ProfessorTofty (talk) 04:21, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
Done. Sorry about being a bit rude with my revert, I'm kinda getting sick of this. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:26, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that the rumor is at least recorded here on the talk page. I think the rumor is worth noting on the main page because of its explosive reception (case and point: this talk page), but at the same time it doesn't do much harm. If anything it adds more publicity. I will not be surprised if Kotaku made it up just to get a reaction from SE, so maybe putting it on the main page will help to that end. Yrusama (talk) 04:37, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

"I'd like to point out that the rumor is at least recorded here on the talk page."
It's irrelevant if it's on the talk page or not. People get their info from the main article, not the talk page.
"I think the rumor is worth noting on the main page because of its explosive reception (case and point: this talk page)"
As do a lot of other FF rumours. This does not make it special. It'll probably be forgotten in a week with no lasting effect. It is not any more notable than every other FF rumour out there.
"I will not be surprised if Kotaku made it up just to get a reaction from SE, so maybe putting it on the main page will help to that end."
Now why the hell should we be helping Kotaku? If SE has a reaction, it'll be nothing but "It's still in development". Trying to goad a response will result in bugger all that we can use. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 05:07, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
You have a point. If it does spark a substantial response, though, maybe we can put it in the Development section. At least I'd be grateful of the update, no matter how miniscule.
Do you think the anxiety-inducing delays on the game will be worth mentioning once the game finally launches? If it doesn't see release by next year, then it's taken about as long as XIV had to be developed, flop, and rebuild. One wouldn't expect a single-player game to take as long as an MMO. Yrusama (talk) 08:14, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
If this does provoke a significant response from SE (i.e. More than "We're still working on it"), then yeah, it will probably be worth including. As for the rest, it'd probably be best if play it by ear if/when the game does come out rather than decide now. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 08:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

rumor of cancellation (break2)[]

well well, the rumor gained enough traction to be addressed by Square Enix, and none other than president Yoichi Wada himself.

this[1] was what he tweeted, and here's a report based on what he said, for those who don't know Japanese [2].

pretty sure this definitely deserves mention now, not just because of the rumors effect (i believe SE stock took a hit, but it could have been a coincidence with Nikkei225 dipping), but also because staff responded directly to it. --Spira (talk) 05:44, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Wada addressed the rumor because he had to. We, on the other hand, shouldn't have and don't have to give publicity to those who try and earn it through devious means*(coughKotakucough). Especially when this whole little fiasco lasted all of four days. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:10, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
yes, but what i'm saying is now we have to as well. this is, effectively, development news.--Spira (talk) 06:27, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
"lol canceled? we had a meeting about it just today to look at some towns" isn't development news. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:39, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
it actually is. its not new information revealed, but is a status update, which is news especially for a game that hasnt heard any official word this entire year. but believe and do what you want. doesnt make a diff to me if you or the policy want to be stubborn with new media.--Spira (talk) 06:48, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
It actually isn't, no one would care about this status update if not for these rumors, because it has no value as news. "We're still working on a game we've always been working on" is not news. And lol at your other comments, I didn't know it's stubborn to disagree with someone who's wrong. Doreiku Kuroofangu 07:38, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
that isn't true. people would still pick up on this status update because it is STILL the only piece of news to come out of SE about Versus this entire year. I am not saying I am right. I am saying there could be news value in a rumor and because Wada responded directly in his tweet, it actually did. And that in itself is worth mentioning. You can disagree, but yes, you are stubborn because you already think I'm wrong. Meanwhile, the rest of the gaming world has picked up on the story, and you wonder why Shinra News and this site never has anything new or relevant to report. Have a nice day. :) --Spira (talk) 08:07, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
I'm stubborn for considering your point, reading your links and deciding no it isn't newsworthy? You have some intriguing logic on your planet. As for Shinra news, it has nothing to report because it sucks, no one is watching sites for worthwhile news. Oh, there is news to report - the FF3 iso port, FF14's reboot, the Brave Fairy whatever-game, but no one can be bothered, including yes, me. I check andriasang at a glance and see FF-related stuff all the time, just haven't had the time to care with me working all the time. I'm off for the next month so expect to see more. Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:27, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
you're stubborn for deciding it is wrong because you don't think it is newsworthy. for one, you're free to think if it's newsworthy or not, but this is not your wiki, and neither is it mine, so its not like the wiki has to pick a side. Where the decision lies within policy, the policies themselves are dictated by the general consensus of its users. The rules aren't cast in stone, and elements of new media are missing. For example, citation: logic would dictate that staff twitter accounts fall under an acceptable source, and hence can be used for proof. But then there is newsworthiness. It seems to me that a review or disambiguation of the policy with regards to this is necessary, especially when something as straightforward as an status update can be debatable but a whole bunch of obscure, opinionated trivia bits can get passed without so much as an objection--Spira (talk) 08:57, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
No, the policy on this does not need be be reviewed because we are not primarily a news site. The random bits of trivia are welcome because it's information you really won't find much else anywhere, whereas the number of Final Fantasy and gaming news sites that will cover just this one tweet are many. If it's big development news, like a trailer released at a con or something then yes we make mention of it, but there's no encyclopaedic merit to a tweet that debunks rumor. Everyone who wants to know about it has read it somewhere else. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:11, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think Spira has a point. Six months on someone may wonder that wasn't there talk it being cancelled and then someone from SE said something, what was that all about? I know I'll check the FFWiki. Then a sentence going something like "In July 2012 video game site Kotaku reported that Versus had been cancelled, but four days later Square Enix president Yoichi Wada tweeted to debunk the rumor" might be useful information for them, and it doesn't need to be any more detailed than that. Sure there is the argument that they can go to another site to find it...and that it is grey area what is notable and what isn't... If it is on many other sites though then I'd say majority of people do find it newsworhty, and the idea that people should just go somewhere else if they want the complete story on this game feels a bit...not good.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:35, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

thank you. I get what Deadly means when stating that we aren't primarily a news site. Yes, there isn't a need to deliver timely news to readers, and people can go to some other website to look for the information. But as one of the only places on the Internet touted to be a comprehensive repository of information relating to FF, entirely leaving out something like this seems.. sloppy. Furthermore, people will naturally look here for such information on VS13. We are the second link that pops up on a google search for V13 btw (first is wikipedia's article), and supposed to be more comprehensive than them, considering we are dedicated to FF information and they are not. but ironically they have this incident listed and we do not. It just doesn't feel right.
Also, like Kelt mentions.. 6 months down the road, you're not likely going to be able to sniff out all those articles about FFvsXIII cancellation rumors and being debunked by Wada that easily. People would naturally come here, because its supposed to be a place where related information is centrally documented.
finally, can someone please humor me.
This is newsworthy... (taken directly from the development section)
In early August for the 500th issue of Dengeki Playstation Magazine, Nomura stated Final Fantasy Versus XIII will not be shown at Tokyo Game Show 2011 in September.
but this isn't?
In mid July, Square Enix president Yoichi Wada posted a tweet dismissing rumors that arose about the game being cancelled after a long period of media silence.
--Spira (talk) 17:11, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
Spira is absolutely right. - Henryacores^ 17:46, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
If we should mention it, it should be in a way that doesn't pander to Kotaku's goal of getting views. I understand it sounds a bit "conspiracy theory", but even mentioning that there was a rumor that they put out there is exactly what they want us to do, and I don't think we should reward that. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:54, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
Who said anything about mentioning Kotaku? There's no need for that. - Henryacores^ 18:06, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this merits a "Trivia" mention on this page itself, but a Shinra News post would be a good way of letting visitors know the rumors are debunked. 8bit 19:23, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
I said something about mentioning Kotaku, but Spira's phrasing is better. It doesn't matter where it originated, a lot of places jumped on it.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 21:15, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
We can just place it under vXIII's development 8Bit, there's no need to give notoriety to something petty like this. - Henryacores^ 21:26, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
I was thinking that a passing news post would give less credence to this affair than an edit to the mainspace, but it doesn't really matter. Glad this is over. 8bit 21:42, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

According to this, FFvsXIII is NOT cancelled. 141.0.11.71 22:10, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment, but we were already aware of this. - Henryacores^ 22:23, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

So what do we do regarding this matter? We post that there were rumours that were revealed fake by Wada? IMO it's worthy of posting at least that, as it means that fans have hope for the game. --BGMaxie (talk) 04:29, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

A minuscule update only earning mention because of the viral rumors that came before. Amusing. If this sort of thing happened in FF more often, maybe we wouldn't give it any attention at all. Then again, this has so far been the longest wait for an announced Final Fantasy if I'm not mistaken. SE has a habit for pushing things back, but I can see why this particular case gave weight to the rumor. Yrusama (talk) 04:54, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

User : Ankhael


Noctis having Two different personalities[]

I read on Wikipedia that noctis will have two different personalities like a personality disorder. It explains his eye colors from from blue to red. In the story He begins to develop multiple personality disorder and feel the presence of another person inside him that wants to permanently take over. This other person believes that there is nothing either morally good or bad and that fools have set the rules in Noctis' world. When this other person takes over, Noctis' body becomes far more powerful and his eyes turn crimson red. However, the personality of this other person is cruel, sadistic and immoral. They are also very intelligent and cunning. Noctis does not know where this other person has come from, but he knows that they are far more powerful and intelligent than he is. As he speaks to this other person to learn more about them and where they have come from, he begins to believe that their main goal is for the destruction of the entire world. For Noctis, the battle becomes not only reclaiming the last crystal, but also to reclaiming himself. Stated by Wikipedia, do you guys know any source to this. Because I notice this article doesn't hold that info or could be that this is new info on noctis.

I don't think that is official information. Might be a fan theory (more likely) or leaked info (less likely).Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:12, October 29, 2012 (UTC)



I guess I'll look more into it. --Ankhael

Fantasy Based on Reality?[]

I'm kinda surprised no one's brought this up yet. Apparently, the game's tagline is "This is a fantasy based on reality". From what I've read in the article regarding the game (particularly the setting), the world of this game seems to be based on the real world. For example, landmarks like Manchester, New England or St. Mark's Basilica in Venice. Is this really a good idea? Call me crazy, but I've come to expect a certain level of fantasy from a game called "Final Fantasy. I mean, isn't that kinda what made past games like VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, and XII great? The fact that it takes place in a world beyond our own, with magic and technology beyond what we have here? How are people excited at the direction that Final Fantasy is taking? Key of Destiny (talk) 03:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

The thing about many FFs, especially those that revolved heavily around technology, e.g. FF7, is that while the "tech" is often augmented heavily by magic and by the fictional culture, they are actually for the most part based on real tech - much of what they have really isn't far from what we have, especially in the likes of 7/8. They very blatantly featured cars and motorcycles, for crying out loud. Both 7 and 8 took a whole lot of real world themes and imagery and cultural iconography and motifs and incorporated them directly into the world - but they always made them "different" in some way. Actually, if you look at Midgar, it's honestly just a modern city - with some slight adjustments here and there, of course. And the only reason you're seeing V13 any differently is because of the shiny new grafix - you see the car, and the highway, and the tollbooths, and the skyscrapers, and the realistically proportioned characters, and you think oh, this is the real world, what is it doing in a video game. But the point is, it's not just a place meant to look like "the real world"; it's a depiction of a modern industrialized nation in a world where things like magic exist. And actually, according to the backstory, the city that you see in all the trailers only thrives like that because of the magic power it has in its control due to being in possession of a Crystal, and the rest of the world is actually much different - much in the same vein as Midgar in FF7. So I don't really think it's much different at all.
Actually, I recently made the reverse argument elsewhere about the main 13 titles; those worlds try so hard to be "realistic" that they actually do eschew the "fantasy" element in some regards, even opting for sci-fi elements in exchange. I mean they have a lot of odd things in the world like "gods" (the Fal'Cie), although they honestly behave more like man-made entities or even machines in some regards (see Carbuncle), but the whole thing where they basically just designed random "future cities" and stuff is both jarring and weird. But despite the fact that V13 actually visually evokes the "real world" a LOT more, I don't think it will quite apply in the same way - at least not any more than it did with 7. -wohdin yes the whole earth 08:07, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that VII and VIII are most definitely closer to what we have today in terms of cars, motorcycles, cities, tech, etc. However, let's remember what magic was like in those games. Virtually any member of the party could use it, and while magic could only be used through Materia in VII, that stuff was so common that everybody was casting Magic. Now take a look at the direction magic is going in terms of the games. XII also allowed any party member to use magic, with it being commonly used by a number of enemies. Then XIII comes along, and what happens? BAM! Humans can't use Magic anymore; only L'Cie can do that, and the Guardian Corps and PSICOM enemies you fight apparently simulate the effects of Magic through technology or some such nonsense. Now I'm hearing about how the party can only cast magic if a certain character is in the party because he's holding a Crystal. I get that the Crystals are powerful and magical, but it really feels like the Magic of Final Fantasy (both the ability and the actual magic of the games) is dying out. Key of Destiny (talk) 14:59, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

In FF7, characters could only use magic if they had Materia. In FF8, (most) characters could only use magic through the help of GFs. In FFV13, if what you say is true, characters can only use magic if they are "equipped" with a Crystal. I don't really see the difference here.
While FF13 didn't exactly have "magic" that's usable by everybody, it's important to note why - considering that the only way to be able to use "magic" is to be granted the ability by a fal'Cie, it can be surmised that the fal'Cie kind of had a monopoly on the magic of the world, and considering that the Cocoon fal'Cie pretty much did everything for the people of Cocoon, from the production of food and oxygen to fighting off hostiles from Pulse, it's understandable why magic is mostly forgotten in that society (you can see through the Pompa Sancta event that "magic" doesn't not exist in the world, but due to the peaceful life that the people have lived for 500 years it's easy to see how magic would have fallen from use in humanity either way).
The point is, the supposed "lack" of magical elements is something that's unique to FF13 and FNC - they definitely do treat magic in a much different manner, but they will likely go back to a more conventional type of magic for FF15 or whatever. At least that's what I would expect from them. -wohdin yes the whole earth 20:23, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

LOL[]

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PFFFFF, dat target completion date. -wohdin yes the whole earth 10:25, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
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