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[edit] They work for the Sanctum??
Hey beforethe recent edits in this article it said that both Hope's dad and the blackhaired chick work for the Sanctum. Is this true and does that make them enemies??
[edit] Demo video
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[edit] Trivia Section
Under the Trivia section it says this is the first game since VI to have a female protagionist (sp) Which is false because X-2 had a female main (Yuna) aswell as all the mains being female (Rikku and Paine)How should we change this?
- It says "This will be the first main series game since VI to:". X-2 is not a main series game. ScatheMote 16:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, VI did not have one specific main character. Also, the creators of XIII say that this one will be done likewise. This is not to mention that XII's "leading" character is disputed every hour or so. I think we should get rid of that sentence, even if Krasi183 mentioned the wrong reason. Eric Ryan Jones 17:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't even understand why such a jumbled-up "fact" with so many exceptions must be mentioned in the first place. FF XIII isn't the first game in the series to feature a female main character, or the first to have the story told in different point-of-views, or the first to have it's initial release exclusive to Sony (which is far from being an important or even interesting fact). So why force the sentence into the article by adding "in the main series" and "after FF VI"? I say let's get rid of it! SamSandy 12:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't agree with you. It might be trivial to you , but for female gamers it might be very important, from my long time experience, female gamers have bigger problems to play as male, than male gamers which play females... There are lot of females, who just never play any games in which they can't pick a female protagonist... And that the game is after many games not Sony exclusive, is a big news... Final Fantasy series was since 1997 Sony's Flagship which in many gamer's eyes sold and made Playstation and Playstation 2 consoles win the last two generations!!! MMLN メーマウリアン 17:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Did you play the demo? One section had a male main character (Snow) and the other a female (Lightning). I think this game is going purely without a main character, and I don't doubt that it will follow XII in allowing you to pick who you walk as. Eric Ryan Jones 18:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's same as Final Fantasy IX... You had many time different party's with different leaders for the time being, and Zidane is still pointed out as main protagonist... I don't see a difference... And btw. Final Fantasy XII at many places you had to walk as Vaan (especialy in all towns). And besides, judging Final Fantasy game from playing 1 hour long demo is crazy idea :P MMLN メーマウリアン 18:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting trivia about its gameplay before you get to play it is a crazy idea, too. XP Eric Ryan Jones 18:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- And that's one of the reasons, why we have this discussion here ;) MMLN メーマウリアン 18:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Don't get me wrong, MMLN, I wholly appreciate the fact that there's a female main character (and Lightning HAS the leading role, no matter how many others are controllable during the game), and if she really was the first such in the series, I'd put it into the article in huge letters (so to speak). But she isn't, for no matter how nitty-gritty you go, there's Terra and Yuna who had the leading roles in their own games. So I think it's still weird to rule them out just to get the sentence "first FF-game to have a female main character" into the article. SamSandy 11:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah that's right... But she is first female protagonist in main FF series (FFX-2 is kind of spin-off game) after 15 years... So it's kind of big thing IMO... Maybe little bit rewriting the Trivia to show this fact if you don't agree with current wording... And as I said, leaving SONY exclusivity behind is (at least for me when I first heard the news) very big news aswell... MMLN メーマウリアン 11:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, protagonist means a "good guy", so all the playable characters in all the games are protagonists. What we are looking here is the leading hero, the character with the main focus, and that's Lightning without a question (based on what we know of the game so far). She was the first character introduced, she has been featured most prominently in the media, and she seems to carry the biggest responsibility of the story. Just because there are segments in the game that doesn't feature her, doesn't make her any less of a leading character. The same goes for Terra. SamSandy 08:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah that's right... But she is first female protagonist in main FF series (FFX-2 is kind of spin-off game) after 15 years... So it's kind of big thing IMO... Maybe little bit rewriting the Trivia to show this fact if you don't agree with current wording... And as I said, leaving SONY exclusivity behind is (at least for me when I first heard the news) very big news aswell... MMLN メーマウリアン 11:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Don't get me wrong, MMLN, I wholly appreciate the fact that there's a female main character (and Lightning HAS the leading role, no matter how many others are controllable during the game), and if she really was the first such in the series, I'd put it into the article in huge letters (so to speak). But she isn't, for no matter how nitty-gritty you go, there's Terra and Yuna who had the leading roles in their own games. So I think it's still weird to rule them out just to get the sentence "first FF-game to have a female main character" into the article. SamSandy 11:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- And that's one of the reasons, why we have this discussion here ;) MMLN メーマウリアン 18:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting trivia about its gameplay before you get to play it is a crazy idea, too. XP Eric Ryan Jones 18:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's same as Final Fantasy IX... You had many time different party's with different leaders for the time being, and Zidane is still pointed out as main protagonist... I don't see a difference... And btw. Final Fantasy XII at many places you had to walk as Vaan (especialy in all towns). And besides, judging Final Fantasy game from playing 1 hour long demo is crazy idea :P MMLN メーマウリアン 18:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Did you play the demo? One section had a male main character (Snow) and the other a female (Lightning). I think this game is going purely without a main character, and I don't doubt that it will follow XII in allowing you to pick who you walk as. Eric Ryan Jones 18:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't agree with you. It might be trivial to you , but for female gamers it might be very important, from my long time experience, female gamers have bigger problems to play as male, than male gamers which play females... There are lot of females, who just never play any games in which they can't pick a female protagonist... And that the game is after many games not Sony exclusive, is a big news... Final Fantasy series was since 1997 Sony's Flagship which in many gamer's eyes sold and made Playstation and Playstation 2 consoles win the last two generations!!! MMLN メーマウリアン 17:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't even understand why such a jumbled-up "fact" with so many exceptions must be mentioned in the first place. FF XIII isn't the first game in the series to feature a female main character, or the first to have the story told in different point-of-views, or the first to have it's initial release exclusive to Sony (which is far from being an important or even interesting fact). So why force the sentence into the article by adding "in the main series" and "after FF VI"? I say let's get rid of it! SamSandy 12:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Final Fantasy XI was in the main series and on the Xbox 360, as well as the PC. Sony exclusivity is out the window. As for the female protagonist, I still say wait for someone to play the full game and know that she really is. The developers did say in an interview that there was going to be no truly main character, so there is doubt as to the validity of that statement already. Eric Ryan Jones 11:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- True, but the same can be said for XII. While Vaan is technically the main character, the story is more about Ashe then anyone else. I say we erase the little sentence.Xepscern
- About the FFXI exclusivity... It was released in May 16 2002 as a PS2 exclusive... The fact that the game was made later for PC (October 28, 2003) and for Xbox360 (April 18, 2006) does not change the fact as much as it does not change the fact that Halo or Gears of Wars ware released as Xbox exclusives :) But that is matter of personal PoV aswell :) MMLN メーマウリアン 11:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Only true in Japan. The American version was on PC first. Eric Ryan Jones 11:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes right and PS version was never released in EU... But the Japan release was PS exclusive... And after looking what was written in Trivia "Have its initial release not be exclusive to Sony" we can scrap these words from there for sure, because FFXIII will be realeased initialy as a PS3 exclusive... (nice that we found at least one thing on which we can agree, isn't it? :P) MMLN メーマウリアン 12:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Only true in Japan. The American version was on PC first. Eric Ryan Jones 11:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- About the FFXI exclusivity... It was released in May 16 2002 as a PS2 exclusive... The fact that the game was made later for PC (October 28, 2003) and for Xbox360 (April 18, 2006) does not change the fact as much as it does not change the fact that Halo or Gears of Wars ware released as Xbox exclusives :) But that is matter of personal PoV aswell :) MMLN メーマウリアン 11:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Snow Villiers as the "male lead"?
As I was editing and cleaning the characters section (most information should be found in their own articles, not in the game article), I noticed that someone had marked Snow as the "male lead" of the game. While there are artwork that suggests this, it hasn't been stated anywhere, so it's just another assumption. And this article should be based on known facts, not theories or assumptions. SamSandy 11:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. Also, the developers stated in an interview back when the game had just been announced that the game would lack a true lead, much like VI. Eric Ryan Jones 14:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] High Confessor Cid
Seriously, I haven't seen that name mentioned anywhere but here (without any source but a mention of Dengeki), but still some people insist on listing him as a character. This is the same thing as with the chocobo being named Hina - if nobody can prove it's official, then it shouldn't be here. I don't want to start an edit war, I just want to uphold some sort of quality to this article. Wild rumors don't belong here, only facts. SamSandy 12:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hina can easily be scrapped from the article, it is just some name taken out of someone's ass at gamespot... http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasy13/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-50629538&pid=928790&page=0 MMLN メーマウリアン 15:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Serah
SamSandy, can you link the news to me please... wherever I look somewhere everywhere is said that it's "most certainly Serah" :P. Don't want to make another pointless edit war, if you are right and I suck at googling :P MMLN メーマウリアン 10:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- In Twitter Klee Kuo from S-E says the girls' name is heard in several trailers before, and really, Serah is the only name we've heard that doesn't already have a face. Someone who posted on NeoGaf (and attended GamesCom) confirmed this as well, but that's second-hand information from RPGamer. I'm not 100% sure about this either, but it's really obvious. If you want, we can wait until September to read it from the scans, but everyone's going to call her Serah before that anyway. SamSandy 10:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes all signs point to the conclusion that her name will be Serah... Unless SE are messing with us, and the name mentioned somewhere in the trailers was just simple word like snow or lightning :P MMLN メーマウリアン 16:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- My guess is a sixth playable character. Silver Dragon XXVIII 16:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Except the developers already stated that she isn't a playable character, unfortunately. It was mentioned in the 1UP preview. SamSandy 10:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- 1UP is far from a reliable site. They once claimed that Dissidia would have precisely 9 playable characters, despite acknowledging in the very same preview that the developers had previously announced 10 playable characters. Moguta 00:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- No matter what 1UP says, no other interview has said that these two are playable characters either, so they should be kept under the "Other Characters" headline for the time being. SamSandy 09:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- 1UP is far from a reliable site. They once claimed that Dissidia would have precisely 9 playable characters, despite acknowledging in the very same preview that the developers had previously announced 10 playable characters. Moguta 00:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- Except the developers already stated that she isn't a playable character, unfortunately. It was mentioned in the 1UP preview. SamSandy 10:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- My guess is a sixth playable character. Silver Dragon XXVIII 16:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes all signs point to the conclusion that her name will be Serah... Unless SE are messing with us, and the name mentioned somewhere in the trailers was just simple word like snow or lightning :P MMLN メーマウリアン 16:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Sazh's Eidolon
Guys, if you'd rather discuss things to reach concensus than continue the edit war, please post your thoughts about Sazh's summon here. We all saw the Eidolon in the TGS 2009 trailer, so we know for a fact that it is fire-elemental. However, it is not...
- Ifrit, because we've already seen Ifrit in the earlier trailers, and this new one looks nothing like that. Ifrit's screenshot is still showcased in the official website, too, so we know they haven't just changed him. Also, the developers said this Eidolon is an original one in a recent interview.
- Surt, at least the developers haven't said anything that hinted that. Sure, there's the ability called "Muspell Flame" shown in the trailer, but there was no mention of the Eidolon's name whatsoever. Drawing parallels like that is pure speculation, which should be avoided in this article.
So for now, the summon remains nameless, but I'm sure that will change soon. Just be patient. SamSandy 08:20, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
- I think everything we wanted to discuss about this matter was already discussed yesterday here ---> Talk:Surt :). If you have any more ideas, please continue on FFXIII talkpage and not on Surt talkpage (it might, at some point, get flagged for deletion :)) MMLN メーマウリアン 11:15, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
[edit] TGS Trailer: Now in ENGLISH
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[edit] Hope's Mother
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[edit] Acadon?
Where exactly did this name come from? Boogum 03:06, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
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I believe it was in the latest edition of Dengeksi PS3.
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[edit] Oerba Yun Fang
When was it confirmed that she was a playable character? From the latest trailer it made her seem like an antagonist if anything.--98.115.211.148 16:23, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
- In FFIX Beatrix was antagonist aswell, and then she joined the party... She has confirmed Bahamut as a summon and confirmed to use spear-like weapons... I am willing to risk my left nut on that, she is playable character... MMLN メーマウリアン 17:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
- Duh, she's so obviously one of those "baddie turns out to be a goodie after all" characters. If the fact that she's a Pulse resident "working" for Cocoon Sanctum doesn't give it away, the fact that she has a CG render with her weapon showing and a shot of her with her Eidolon Bahamut behind her should be enough proof. I'll bet both of my nuts on this. ;D SamSandy 18:03, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
- Unless it's confirmed officially, we shouldn't list her as playable. It's likely, and I think she is too judging from the scan, but we can't say for certain yet. Drake Clawfang 06:51, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Here's the source: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1034928p1.html "While Yun Fang's tone in the TGS trailer suggested that she might be a villain, she's actually a playable character." SamSandy 06:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Good then, my mistake. Drake Clawfang 06:58, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Here's the source: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1034928p1.html "While Yun Fang's tone in the TGS trailer suggested that she might be a villain, she's actually a playable character." SamSandy 06:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Unless it's confirmed officially, we shouldn't list her as playable. It's likely, and I think she is too judging from the scan, but we can't say for certain yet. Drake Clawfang 06:51, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Duh, she's so obviously one of those "baddie turns out to be a goodie after all" characters. If the fact that she's a Pulse resident "working" for Cocoon Sanctum doesn't give it away, the fact that she has a CG render with her weapon showing and a shot of her with her Eidolon Bahamut behind her should be enough proof. I'll bet both of my nuts on this. ;D SamSandy 18:03, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
Also, take into account that:
in the demo of FF13, there weapon icon slots for all the playable characters, even the ones you cant play as in the demo.
Lightnings Gun/Sword Gauntlets for Snow Sazh's guns Vanilles fishing rod/staff Hopes Boomerangs
and then a 6th slot with a Spear icon.
anyone whos played the demo can look ad fang and knows shes going to be a party member at one point in time
[edit] New scans
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[edit] Voice Actors
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- The only one I'm 100% sure of myself is Georgia Van Cuylenburg, since I was one of the many people who actually saw the video on FF-XIII.net before it became private. Alas, I have only my own eyes and ears to prove it (plus an entire topic full of people who saw the same vid), so I can't prove it to you. We'll just have to wait until they officially announce the cast. SamSandy 19:19, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
{[Drake|time=19:37, November 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Two things to keep in mind:
- If anyone thinks IMDB is a proper source, ask me to tell you the story of Terra and Megan Hollingshead. It'll change your mind.
- Prior to Dissidia's release, people said OK was voiced by Haley Joel Osment, Emperor by Terrance Stone or Quinton Flynn, Golbez by Anthony Landor, and for a while people said Zidane was voiced by Sam Riegel. All of these guesses were entirely wrong. Take this as proof that fans are not reliable sources.}}
