Talk:Final Fantasy Wiki/Archive1

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Contents 1 Banning someone. 2 Ideas for Reorganisation 2.1 New Tables 2.2 New Way of Entering Categories in Articles 2.3 Cohesive System of Core Articles 2.4 Delete is your friend 2.5 Search Feature 3 Release Issue 3.1 Table 3.2 Exploding Information Heirarchy 3.3 Seperate Pages for Each Release 4 Naming 4.1 Final Fantasy VI Names 5 Boilerplate Pages 6 Help page 7 Deletion process? 8 Uploading images 9 Site name issues 10 Final Fantasy VI section 11 Recalculation of article count. 12 500th page 13 Admin Elections in Progress! Please Vote! 14 3000th page in the database 15 Addition of Other Games 16 Final Fantasy Wiki in French 17 REQUEST: Where to buy FF section 18 Our Forumless Forum 19 Strategy Wiki

[edit] Banning someone.

IP address 70.228.110.73 destroyed the main page, said something along the lines of "this site is gay." I reverted it back to the most recent decent thingy, but an admin has to do the banning of that IP. Maechen 03:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ideas for Reorganisation

[edit] New Tables

I've been looking at some of the Wiki Pages, especially places with Monster Stats, etc, anything that would look better in table format.

I can use a Template, and then simply add the needed values. Saves time writing a whole table out every time/

[edit] New Way of Entering Categories in Articles

Take the FF7 Template, which contains the text, [[Category: Final Fantasy VII]]. Think about how long it takes to write the latter, compared to the former, in an article. It is so much easier to write less, and achieve the same thing. Same principle goes for the Materia.

That's the beauty of using a template system. You can add somthing repeatedly, using 1/100 of the keystrokes you'd use otherwise writing the whole thing out.

I strongly disagree. It's also a strain on server resources, and overly complicated from a management perspective. The purpose of Category:Materia is immediately obvious even to someone who has never edited a page here before. It's not as clear what the purpose of {{Materia}} is without having to dig a bit deeper. Plus (and here's where my background as a librarian comes in), it's poor practice to get in the habit of cutting corners when it's not neccessary to do so. It may be too much to ask to require that a complex table layout be reproduced on a large number of pages, but saving the handful of keystrokes necessary to write out Category:Whatever... is hardly a massive burden on the editor, and it is much more likely to ensure that everyone is clear on what does what and how everything works. If nothing else, I do think it is important to recognize that this is a wildly non-traditional way of using templates, and I think we should consider why other wikis generally don't use them in this way. – Seancdaug 13:51, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cohesive System of Core Articles

Right now, the only way to travel in-depth to needed Articles is to look at them via Category. This is inefficient.

I'm willing to undertake a project to shunt all current, and future listings for Monsters to their own Alphabetical Listings, under their own Game. Where dulpicate names exist, Supplimental Data (e.g. (Final Fantasy I)) will be placed as a suffix to the Article Name, much like they are now.

You should also have links to all Final Fantasy Games on the Main Page, and then use each as a Hub, to further explore the wiki. This is also an inherent problem with a Wiki Such as this, that branches off in so many ways, like Memory Alpha. When you have the potential for large number of content, Infrastructure for the Wiki goes first, to support the Articles. I learned that first-hand.

Why is it inefficient? That's the very purpose of the categorization system. It preserves intellectual connections between articles, and, properly used, is generally consistent across a wide variety of games/topics. Final Fantasy Monster Alphabetical Listing does nothing that it is not already done by Category:Enemies, and I cannot imagine why you think it is more efficient. In both cases, you need to navigate to the original page, then click on a link to a subpage, then find the actual article you want. The category system, at least, makes doing this substantially easier, as all you need to do to add an article to a particular listing is to create the article and add Category:Foo (or whatever) to the bottom of the page. To add an article to your alphabetical listings page, you need to create the article, and then go edit what is likely going to be a lengthy list article, and make sure that you correctly file it alphabetically (something the category listing does automatically). Plus, the format of the categories listing is easier to follow and more descriptive, IMO. At best, it's a recreation of the wheel. At worst, the recreated wheel has a flat tire :-).

I do agree that there should be a link to each game on the main page somewhere, and also that each game article should serve as a hub and link to the key articles relating to individual components of that title (i.e., Final Fantasy VIII should have a link to the Guardian Forces article, Final Fantasy VII should have a link to Materia, etc.). As an aside, I'm really not comfortable with using "(Final Fantasy I)" as a modifier, since there is no game called Final Fantasy I (the first game is just Final Fantasy), but that's probably just me being overly pedantic ;-) – Seancdaug 14:00, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Delete is your friend

I've seen several articles, or pages, with either an incorrect article name, and/or with content just deleted, with a redirect used. That really shouldn't be, it looks untidy, and it really doesn't give a good impression to others.

Only administrators have the power to delete. Obvious errors should be moved and corrected, but it's also important to preserve edit histories and the like, so we shouldn't overdo deletions. I'm not sure we have to worry too much about giving off bad impressions, however. A poorly named redirect article is only going to be happened upon if a user is browsing the full article list: it's not going to be in the category listing, nor should we be linking to it from any other articles. And the full article list is a pretty lousy way of finding an article, and it will only get lousier as we add more and more articles, and the total number grows ever larger. – Seancdaug 14:04, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Search Feature

Akin to what Wikipedia, and other Wikicities do, you can make the search facility offer a "Create Article with this name", option, when a search query returns no exact results/ I use it on my own two Wikicities, and it's immensely helpful to create pages off-the-bat, without needing to first add a them via an Article, or manually type it out in the URL Box, on the Browser.--TwoTailedFox 21:39, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Release Issue

[edit] Table

I edited the Air Elemental page and made a table on it that I think isn't too obtrusive or ugly. I would kind of like to mike "tic-tac-toe" style, but I'm not sure Wikipedia will ike that.

[edit] Exploding Information Heirarchy

I haven't found any Wiki code that will allow this so that we could have a table xhgl.you choose.

[edit] Seperate Pages for Each Release

Not too in favor of this currently, but on the other hand the pages would look very clean.

[edit] Naming

I think we are in aggreance to make "placeholders" for the old skool names, and I found a way to code them using redirects.

• #REDIRECT [[page to go to here]]

The issue is it will not seem to allow you to attribute this redirecting Page to a category, so we may have to go with a text "See [[XPage]]"

[edit] Final Fantasy VI Names

I think we should use the SNES names for FFVI characters and such, only because they are what are familiar to most gamers. Crazyswordsman 22:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boilerplate Pages

We need them, I think they should go in their own category with a variation of each needed. So Templates category has "Enemies" & "Enemies:Final Fantasy I" etc.

So we should probably start with the Enemies ones as they are pretty easy to do in comparison with some of the ones we might have discrepancies in ideas.

[edit] Help page

We should start editing this as we go, or at least writing in needs on it, cause we will forget the things that you need to know as it becomes easy for us.

[edit] Deletion process?

So, gentle administrators/sysops, I must ask: do we have a formal policy for the deletion of articles/categories? User:TwoTailedFox mentioned it earlier, I know, and I've been responsible for the accidental creation of such pages (particularly categories, since articles can just be redirected in most cases)? Case-in-point, Category:Villains, which doesn't really provide any useful categorization (since we've already got Category:Enemies and Category:Bosses, and which I now deeply regret having created. – Seancdaug 00:26, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Uploading images

I wanted to start uploading zone maps for the two zones in FFXI that currently have articles; I managed the first, but before I could do the second, uploading was apparently disabled. What gives? Rawling 17:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Site name issues

I don't know who to contact about this, so I figured I'd post this here. I'd prefer it if whoever's in charge of this wiki not use the name "Final Fantasy Wiki", since it is strikingly close to the title of my own wiki, which has been online since 2004. If one of this wiki's admins could please contact me so we can work something out, that would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Reeve

It doesn't seem like anything's been done about this and I think it should be addressed. I don't know when this wiki was created, but it sounds like it was after "Reeve's" wiki. In any case, I think that an easy way to solve this problem and avoid future encounters is to just change the name of our wiki. Perhaps we could become the Square-Enix wiki? We wouldn't limit ourselve to Final Fantasy and we could probably bring in more people for Dragon Quest. The biggest drawback I see is a possible change in the domain name. Otherwise, I think this might be worth it. What does everyone else think?--Dukeruckley 19:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

We are not the Square-Enix Wiki. We do not cover games like Bouncer, Dragon-Quest, or the Dragoon-rider thingy... nor should we be. The "who was here first" arguement really doesn't strike me. This isn't patent law. Someone could be out there with an even lesser-known wiki that was started in 2003, in which case I don't think both of the wikias would be changing. In any case, I don't think there will be any confusion given our stoic white versus the earthtones over yonder. --TacticAngel 01:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings. Since I didn't start this Wiki (I just found it abandoned and fixed it up), this was an old discussion back from the first group of contributors. While it would be good to change our name for confusion reasons, we are not obligated to do so ("Final Fantasy Wiki" isn't copyrighted), and the other wiki hasn't been updated in a while. I'd say keep it the way it is for now, and wait until something comes up in the future to decide what should be done. If so, the entire Wiki would need a different layout (pages for Final Fantasy, Chrono titles, the Mana series, Dragon Quest, and Star Ocean). Crazyswordsman 02:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The other wiki hasn't been edited in a while, because it's been locked from editing since last November. A wiki isn't a wiki if it can't be edited. If Reeve can get that fixed, then a name change would be a fair request, otherwise I really don't think it's an issue. As a side note, bringing in other RPG series would make things overly complex. However, if someone started dragonquest.wikia.com or squareenix.wikia.com I'm sure people here would be willing to work together to set up cross-linking etc.--Undc23 10:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think it was much of a problem now, it was more of a thought I had than anything. I haven't seen any Square Enix wikis out there (then again I haven't searched...) and I thought it might be fun. It would be a lot of work but I also think we could pull more people in to help. In any case, I wasn't trying to change the direction of the site, I was just throwing out some possibilities.

And I never tried searching around the BlueShinra wiki because I just can't stand the layout over there, so I didn't realize they were pretty much defunct right now.--Dukeruckley 15:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

An update on things. (My) FFWiki was shut down temporarily due to problems with spam, and the guy testing new scripts has been procrastinating about fixing things ever since. I finally laid down the law and set a deadline, so we should be back up and running again by the end of the month, this time at a new address.

I wish we didn't have to deal with this whole mess, but I'm glad it's being addressed, at least. If this can be resolved sooner rather than later, it would be greatly appreciated --Reeve (July 9, 2006)

I honestly don't know what to think. I came here after this was first sorted out. We could change our name, but then we'd have to undergo a major overhaul, something which I don't know what to do with. Also, with other specialized Wikis, such as the Chrono Compendium, we'd have much more competition. Frankly, this isn't so much of a big deal. Crazyswordsman 03:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Who said the site's content had to change with the name? Every other FF-centered wiki I've come across has had different names (including the FFXI-specific ones, as well as more general wikis), other than this one. We've already invested quite a bit in the Final Fantasy Wiki name, which is why I'd prefer to hang on to it. I just don't want to be any confusion between our two sites; surely some compromise can be reached without resorting to sweeping content alterations. --Reeve (July 10, 2006)

Its a common sense name, actually more of a description than anything else. The fact is that Blue Shinra Wiki isn't even a Wiki. The only modification to our name that I'm keen on accepting is "Wikia" vs. "Wiki" since its in our address, but I think if people are dense enough to get confused between the two now, an extra "a" isn't going to change that. --TacticAngel 21:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

To be fair, it is a Wiki, just run with different software. Theirs is run with BlueWiki methinks, while ours is run with the easier to use and more popular MediaWiki. Crazyswordsman 22:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I can't very well edit it so its not a wiki.--TacticAngel 02:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course, that's because the entire wiki is temporarily locked-- says so right on the front page. And it is currently powered by Cwick/UseModWiki, but we're moving to MoinMoin, since our tech guy's a wiz with Python. MediaWiki has been considered, but we've heard one too many bad things about it from an administrative/hosting perspective, and as an end user, I find it way too sluggish, not to mention inflexible. "BlueWiki"? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about...

Forgive me for pointing out a severe lack of imagination on certain peoples' parts, but wikis don't necessarily have to have the word "wiki" in their titles. FFXIclopedia certainly doesn't. Nor Final Fantasy Kompendium. As we've said, I've already invested quite a bit in the FFWiki name, including a paid domain.

A change to a "Wikia" name I could live with. Cheers. --Reeve (July 11, 2006)

[edit] Final Fantasy VI section

If you've noticed, over the past week, I've been doing major contstuction of a long overdue and much needed FFVI section. I could use some help. One way you could help me out is by teaching me how to make a portal for FFVI, like the one that has been done with FFVII, FFVIII, and FFX. Also, we need some help in building up the FFII, FFIII, FFIV, FFV, and FFIX sections. This project will probably take a long time, because I'm doing most of my work from scratch, and am not importing info from Wikipedia. Any help would be great. Thanks!Crazyswordsman 02:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recalculation of article count.

Sometimes I try force a recalcuation of the article count after creating a few new articles, but it doesn't always work. All I am doing is deleting one letter from the NUMBEROFARTICLES tag and readding that letter. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Why would it only work part of the time? Roy Al Blue 22:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 500th page

We have just hit our 500th article, which I believe to be Altima, Final Boss of Final Fantasy Tactics. Congratulations to us all! Roy Al Blue 23:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin Elections in Progress! Please Vote!

We are holding Admin elections on the Community Portal. All candidates will be running independently of each other (i.e. up or down votes for each candidate). We currently have one candidate, Crazyswordsman, who currently has "Aye: 1, Nay: 0" with 75% generally needed to be elected. Please come to the community portal and vote. If you would like to ask any of our candidates (present and future) questions, you may also do so there. Please be aware that it takes a bureaucrat to certify elections, and if a bureaucrat sees only one vote has been cast, he may extend or invalidate our election, thus leaving us adrift in a state of anarchy as our only current admin is AWOL.

Only registered users may vote, and candidates may not cast votes pertaining to their own election, though anyone nominating another user for Admin may cast a vote pertaining to the candidate they nominated. Further instructions are at the community portal. Thanks. Roy Al Blue 00:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3000th page in the database

We now have 3000 total pages in the database. Our article count is now 612. Roy Al Blue 13:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of Other Games

Final Fantasy Legends I, II, and III are games missing from the lists, as well as Final Fantasy Adventure. All four of these games bear the FF name, and should probably be included on the main page (I am hesitant to change the main page because I feel that it is the admin's job).

I also feel that Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG are unnecessary for the main page, because they are not FF games. Super Mario RPG should remain an article because of Culex, though.

Any thoughts? --Dukeruckley 19:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I do agree that some of the games could and should probably be trimmed off of that list. Chrono Trigger has nothing to do with Final Fantasy except that it was on a CD at one time with other Final Fantasies. Its ok to have an article about it, but if there is any reference to it it should be from a link from the Compilation CD it was on.

The included games could probably be either sorted into direct spin-offs versus games carrying FF references. Super Mario RPG, for instance, has nothing to do with FF. The only solid connection is implication, innuendo, and one peice of music. There are a few other games on the list as well that could use some scrutiny.

--TacticAngel 23:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

If Erghiz and KH stay, SMRPG stays. SMRPG is as much an FF game as KH is. I only created the CT article because it has Vicks and Wedge, the ATB, and a reference to FFIV in the programmer's ending. CT can go, but there is some FF implication in Chrono Trigger (CT was directed by Sakaguchi himself). The Seiken Densetsu (and Final Fantasy Adventure = SD1) series actually has quite a bit to do with the FF series, as does Secret of Evermore (KH-style cameos, or I should say KH has SoE style cameos, and KH itself is more like a Mana game than an FF game anyway). Crazyswordsman 23:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I say keep the articles, just take the links off of the main page. This is mainly because the main page is very cluttered right now. Because CT, SMRPG, KH, and even Ehrgeiz only have basic references to Final Fantasy, they are just cluttering it up. Up to you though, it's not a big deal.--Dukeruckley 00:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the links to all non-direct spinnoffs except the Chocobo series and Seiken Densetsu (because it is FF Adventure). However, their articles WILL be kept. Crazyswordsman 02:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, I'm thinking about replacing these with a featured article. How do I do this, and what articles would you recommend? I'm thinking of making Terra our first FA, followed by Cloud, then Locke, and we'll see what goes from there. The articles should be well organized and have few, if any, red links. Crazyswordsman 02:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy Wiki in French

Hi everyone, First of all, you are doing a really good job, keep going! Final Fantasy Wiki is growing in fame. I planned to make a french wiki for the final fantasy saga in the following months, so it's not for tomorrow, and since it already exists for english speakers, maybe I can operate under your wiki for france, (just like the spanish wiki). I am a bit new to wiki but motivated, and I did not want to start a brand new wiki on wikia if there was a much cleverer organization possible. At last, excuse my poor-middle english, it is a bit late for Europe... Thanks! AMo 23:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't help you preparing the Wiki (I don't speak any French and I don't know how to make an offspring Wiki). If it were Spanish, I could help out a bit. Good luck , though. Crazyswordsman 23:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] REQUEST: Where to buy FF section

I'd like to request a "cheapest place to buy FF games" section.

Well, I could tell you of a store where you can buy them, but I really don't know what the prices are nowadays. Stores still sell the newer ones, but the older ones may be more difficult to find (for some reason, stores that sell the old games sell them for ten or twenty bucks! Obviously they don't see their awesomeness!) Crazyswordsman 01:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

A store near where I live sells Final Fantasy VI (III) for SNES for $99.99 Canadian dollars (around $88 USD) so there are some stores who sell them expensively. Wikada - ^{Talk Contributions 21:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)}

I guess that store knows the value of this priceless work of art! Crazyswordsman 01:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I second that! Though I'm guilty of only owning it on the anthology... and a ROM. Maechen 05:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Our Forumless Forum

Whats up with that? I need to talk smack! There's nowhere to do it! (o.-) --TacticAngel 08:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Start a topic then. Crazyswordsman 14:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I just realized that I had to go through and activate each forum. I did so, and now it should work. Crazyswordsman 14:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strategy Wiki

Hello FF wiki'ers! If any of you are interested, I have become a sysop over at StrategyWiki.net where we are working on writing video game guides. Since most of you here are very knowledgeable about Final Fantasy games, you should definitely check it out and contribute. The Final Fantasy VII page is particularly good and we could use a lot of help on the others. Hope to see some of you there! (Note: I'm not trying to steal people away from FF Wiki, I'm hoping this can be sort of a collaboration).--Dukeruckley 19:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping we could write our own walkthroughs. I hope to get some time/energy/motivation to do an FFVI one. Crazyswordsman 03:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well power to you then!--Dukeruckley 13:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

yay! i done ff legeends 2 for you!