Talk:Final Fantasy VII

AuronKaizer - Forever better than the rest. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. 23:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Diablocon (the admin I might add) does have a slight point though. While there is no rule saying that you can't discuss whether a game is good or not, you really should keep those discussions to your userpage. Talk pages are really for discussion of the article, not the game in question (nobody gives a damn though, including me) So while it doesn't really matter, I think everyone would be happy if you put a discussion like this on your user talk page instead of here. And for the matter, FFVII kicks ass. It's not the best, but it's certainly good. Only thing bad about it is the fanboys.

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 23:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC) I'm sorry if I came off a little mean Prophet, I tend to appear meaner than I actually am to people who haven't been here for too long. Most things I say are with good intentions. And there's no need to mention I'm an Admin AK, I'm probably the monst un-admin person on all the wikis.

• It's ok D,don't worry about it.:)~The Prophet~^{(Talk to me)} 16:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Greyrose TALK - 09:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Anyone here thinking the remix version's gonna suck? I mean really? I'm not an anti-FF7 guy but they might just end up having a mediocre game.....

AuronKaizer - Forever better than the rest. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}} Remix version? Am I missing something here?

I think FFVII wasn't as good or as crappy as people say it was, but one thing that confuses me is why did it become so popular while the other Final Fantasys are much less known? Obviously after Square made add-ons to the FFVII world (Before Crisis, Advent Children etc.) it would become well-known, but why did it rise up in the first place? -dudutsai

It's the most popular because it was really developed by a "dream team". It's the FF which got the most influences from the most talented people: Sakaguchi, Uematsu, Nomura, Kitase, Takahashi, Naora, Kato, etc. The FF team slowly desintegrated after the game: Sakaguchi had less and less to do with the series because he wanted to to the FF movie; Uematsu had less and less to do with the series because he created his own music company; Tetsuya Takahashi (FFVII chief concept artist) went to create Xenogears and Xenosaga; Yusuke Naora (FFVII art director) went to create Code Age Commanders, Masato Kato (additional scenario writer) went to create Xenogears and Chrono Cross, etc. The FF team now is headed by Nomura and Kitase; they're two smart guys, but they can't create the "magic touch" that the complete team could create all together. FFVII is like Chrono Trigger and the FF that came after are like Chrono Cross... Izlude Tingel 21:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC) FFVII was certainly not done by any sort of Dream Team. The only respectable person on that staff was Nobuo Uematsu. Amano is better than Nomura, and Sakaguchi wasn't on it, and neither was Ito. Chrono Trigger was the Dream Team game. Now, was FFVII crappy? Absolutely not. It was a wonderful game that was fun to play and had an interesting story, at least in the part of the Shinra staff. The whole Sephiroth part wasn't cool at all though. And the character designs were alright, and were probably Nomura's only decent ones. The ones that sucked were Cloud, Aeris, Yuffie, Sephiroth, Cait Sith, and Reno. All of these characters suck in general. However, FFVII was by no means a gift from God, nor was it even close to one of the best games ever made. It had its flaws, and most of them are the fact that the game had the Final Fantasy label on it. It followed FFVI, which was the best game to carry the FF label, and thus was a major disappointment. Final Fantasy to me needs to be set in time periods which last from the 9th century to the early 20th century, not a futuristic dystopia. If another RPG series were to be made in futuristic dystopias, and this game was in that series, I'd probably like it a lot more. The other main problem with the game is the one everyone has with it except the diehard, illiterate fanboys. This is the fact that it has TOO. MANY. SPINNOFFS. One or two spinoffs would be fine, but not ten of them. Square needs to have its priorities in this order: Chrono Break Something NEW AND ORIGINAL The next Final Fantasy game The next Mana game THEN maybe you can go to the spinoffs, but you have to give all the games equal time.

What people fail to realize is that there are no FFVII spinoff. Compilation of FFVII is a franchise, a series in itself. It's just that it has a "VII" in its name, so it sounds awkward to consider it a real, standalone series. Izlude Tingel 18:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ser Blue says at 18:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Har, I believe it's all part of making it less Square-ish and more Square Enix-ish, just like they did to Ivalice, which is based on FFXII and not FFT.

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Compilation of FFVII ARE spinoffs. The Final Fantasy series was designed a certain way, with one game having absolutely NO connections to the previous one. Each game featured a unique world with unique characters. When you go in a different direction, you are spinning off course, and that's what Square did with all the FFVII spinnoffs. And it's NOT standalone. It's related to FFVII.

Wrong. They stopped this "no connection" gimmick since FFV and its anime sequel. And of course Compilation of FFVII is related to FFVII; that's not what I said, what I said is that FFVII is not related to the other FF games (apart from the minor "Easter egg"-like Shinra reference with FFX). FFVII+Compilation of FFVII forms a distinctive series just like FFAdventure+Mana+World of Mana forms a distinctive series. Izlude Tingel 09:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 14:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC) You are both correct, but on different subjects. From a completely technical point of view, FFVII indeed has no actual spin-offs, but rather a compiled series of sequels and prequels. However DoC is a bit half-in/half-out since part of the intro to the game took place during events of the original FFVII, which would (in a small part) make DoC a spin-off. As for the "no connection"-thing, CSM is right. You (Izzy) failed to notice the topic of the sentence (which I have emphasized): "The Final Fantasy series was designed a certain way, with one game having absolutely NO connections to the previous one.". An OVA is not a game, so you have not proven CSM wrong in any way, you just brought to attention that the OVA was the first secondary media to have a connection to an existing FF game, which was basically besides the point. The "no connection"-thing did not end until the making of FFX-2 (as I recall it).

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 16:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC) By your logic, every single FF game is its own series.

Lol, a series is a group of games; a unique game can't form a series. And by your logic, Dawn of Mana is an FF spin-off. Izlude Tingel 17:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 18:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC) The ENTIRE Mana series has FF stuff in it, although it's its own series in its own right. But the FFVII are spinoffs, maybe Square game them a name to hide what they really are, but the fact it's spinoffs. The series is called the Final Fantasy series, and includes ALL games in the series AND their spinoffs.

[edit] PS3?

Chocotard - It's my party and you'll cry if I want you to. TALK - 14:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC) All right, I can see me getting flamed like a motherfucker for this, but I think the PS3 section should be deleted, per WP:CB. I've never seen anything like this: fanboys seem to interpret "It's not happening, there are no plans to make this game" as "OMG it'll be out in November!" No, it won't. It's not coming out. Don't get me wrong, I love FF7 as much as the next guy (unless that guy happens to be CSM), but there isn't going to be a remake for PS3. Ever. This is the only position supported by the evidence.

FëasindeTalk "In this spheric universe, love is inverse." 14:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC) What evidence?

Chocotard - It's my party and you'll cry if I want you to. TALK - 14:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Direct quotes from the creators of the game.

FëasindeTalk "In this spheric universe, love is inverse." 14:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC) And don't you think it's kind of... inadequate to say someone said something without actually showing that they said it? In other words, sources, plz.

Chocotard - It's my party and you'll cry if I want you to. TALK - 14:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC) No, I don't think so, considering the quotes have been floating around for 2 years. But here: [[1]] [[2]]

FëasindeTalk "In this spheric universe, love is inverse." 14:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC) The worst part of this is that we are now officially stuck with "Aeris".

Oath To Order TALK - {{{time}}} Don't remove it. Just rewrite it and say 'they hinted. it didn't happen.'

Drake Clawfang - You've got guts. I like that in a victim. TALK - 05:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC) Leave it, those quotes say to me "we're not making it, but we're not saying we're never gonna make it..." I mean, Blizzard Entertainment was saying the same thing about StarCraft 2 years ago and now it's publicly in development. You can't trust game companies, they never reveal their hand until they're got a winner.

{{UndyingVsSephiroth|text=I feel screwed!

--Red VII 23:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)They also had the Orginal Final Fantasy VII Game for $10.00 on an online Ps3/PSP Store. Maybe Thats what they meant??

Director and Story Writer of FFVII, Yoshinori Kitase said they might be able to focus a little bit more on this project once XIII is complete. SuperGuyverUSA 11:30, 2 October 2009

[edit] Search?

What Happened to the diagram List Thingies At The Bottems of the Pages I Can't Find Anything and the Search Engine is Useless Because i'm a Horrible typist. Fix it

[edit] I have a plan

1stclasswarrior - Destroy! Destroy! Destroy! Let's destroy everything!! TALK - 17:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC) Does anyone have "connections" with SQEX that also like me ADORES FF VII? I have a plan to bring the "good" games back.

[edit] Famicom version

The Famicom version of VII is barely covered on the internet. I think we should give some coverage. This would include:

• Basic "List of" pages. Enemies and Items mainly.
• Mentionings of items and enemies on parents as a sub of VII.
• Possibly enemy pages: If not, just use the enemies pages and link to/redirect the names to that page.
• A sub-section/Sub-sections on VII location pages of what happens in the NES version, or what differences occur. And Items can get a sub-section too.

I just think we should give more coverage than a quick mention on the VII page.  ILHI ^(W/B) 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Save me from creating a forum topic - read talkpages.  ILHI ^(W/B) 18:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally I'd say that thing should get only the most minimum of coverage because it isn't a real Final Fantasy game. Its a pirated fan game, and should only get as much coverage as we give fan games. --BlueHighwind ツ 20:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy II NES, Final Fantasy III NES, Final Fantasy V SNES. They were fan-translations weren't they (I hope so)? FFII DSOP wasn't even released, and I believe the only way to get it was through a technically illegal way (I think). Okay, so I don't know a lot, I don't care to know a lot. Difference is this isn't just a fan-translation, actually far from it, this is an entire fan-remake of the game. Then it deserves its own page at the wiki. Here it can give a story section not intruding on other VII articles. However, I still think this deserves as much coverage as The After Years does. Re-using enemy sprites, barely different storyline from the original. The only difference is one is slightly more official. At one point we covered 8-Bit theatre, and that is even further from Final Fantasy as we know it.  ILHI ^(W/B) 21:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Glad to see you crossed out your own argument there. Those were real games, just not released outside of Japan. The translation was irrelevant to their status. But if this game does get its own page, it should not turn this one into a tagged article. It can be "Final Fantasy VII (Famicom)", but I'd rather not see that push this page around into a redirect.

Or we could go the AJ-Baby solution and use a / for whatever BS reason he comes up with. =D --BlueHighwind ツ 21:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This page wouldn't be disambiguated either way, but a sub-page doesn't sound like a half-bad idea. Subpages usually reduce the importance of a page (So much so I'd even link to my own sandbox in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years/Translations) and the game doesn't have a name other than "Final Fantasy VII". A tag doesn't look that great too.

I'll have to assume CL is our only "expert" though. Wish I could play this game. Apparently it's only good when you're cheating. Battles take ages, and I believe their rather frequent. Still, just for the experience and lulz.  ILHI ^(W/B) 22:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to make a correction here; people are saying that it's a pirated game, however, this is incorrect. Downloading the ROMs or ISOs of the official games is piracy; what the Famicom version is is a fan-made bootleg.P0lar bear 21:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Bootleg: verb (transitive) to make, transport and/or sell an illegal version or copy of a copyright product.

You're correct about it being a fan-made bootleg. However, technically, it's still "piracy," and it's still illegal. ROMs are bad and ROM players are cheap bastards who deserve not to play the game. There is no middle ground on the thick line between pirates and decent people. Master Conjurer 00:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

can someone clarify this for me, I was under the impression that ROMs are legal so long as you own the original copy of the game and merely have no means to play it? (example if you own FFI but your NES is unusable, as most are, but you own both componants nonetheless... than using an FFI ROM would be legal?) Zuken 19:07, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Robot Chicken's FFVII Skit

(cur) (prev) 12:04, 4 June 2009 BlueHighwind (Talk | contribs) (41,399 bytes) (mentioned already someplace else) (undo)

Where, exactly? I've read numerous pages here and haven't seen anything on that. P0lar bear 15:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy in Popular Culture. Diablocon 21:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ACC

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "Should I give you Despair?": I think we should move all the AC sections to ACC (including characters sections) since ACC has all the information of AC and more.

BlueHighwind Q? 18:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Same movie, same plot, same everything really. I think Advent Children Complete in general gets too much coverage on this wiki. We don't give a whole new section for the Advance remakes or the War of the Lions.

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion": The War of the Lions had a new translation.

So has every other re-release. ACC is just AC with better graphics and a few extra scenes including a different ending. FF4 DS had more differences from the Super NES release than ACC has from AC. Why doesn't it have its own page? Drake Clawfang 20:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "Aye, this stain is mine to bear. But I will bear it willingly, knowing that I did all that I could...for hope!": Since my opinion means squack in this place, I won't say anything.

If you can't handle people disagreeing with you then yes, don't say anything. Drake Clawfang 20:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "If you don’t know, then I will show you. This is the true form of despair.": It's not that, I give a fuck what people think of me but I know that my suggestions are never going to be accepted, just like the suggestion I just did.

You're absolutely right, this particular suggestion was a bad one so don't suggest anything ever again. Drake Clawfang 20:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "Common people are nothing but pieces, that I can control at will": You haven't listen, right? I give a fuck what people think of me, that's what makes me a good editor, every time I do something without aking anyone, it tourns out well.

8bit BlackMage - Now an orchestra will unfold like an angry dip of many layers on the chips of wildest hopes! TALK - All who resist will be beat like naughty little eggs!- 20:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC) EDIT CONFLICT: @Tenza: It might be a good idea if Advent Children Complete totally replaced the original. However, as outlined on the page, there are a few minor instances where AC includes scenes not present in ACC (Aerith creidts) and ACC includes scenes not present in AC (this moreso that the other). I haven't watched Complete, but it would be best to highlight these differences on the Advent Children page rather than on the FFVII page and individual character pages. Also, it's not a good idea to implement major changes without telling anyone.

FinalFighterA+ - ...has too much time on his hands TALK - time? {{{time}}} I agree with 8-bit here one of the two AC pages should doccument the differencs between them (along with a link to the main story page of course), i would suggest the ACC page since the AC page is already built up.

8bit BlackMage - Now an orchestra will unfold like an angry dip of many layers on the chips of wildest hopes! TALK - All who resist will be beat like naughty little eggs!- 22:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Complete#Plot contains details about the differences between the original and the expansion. Anything new should be added there.

[edit] Enough Already!

Does anyone else feel that they should stop making prequels and midquels(in between stories), and just make one solid sequel where all of the original cast get's back together to fight a revived Sephiroth for a final time. And a good feature to this sequel game would be the revival of Aerith and Zack. Another good addition would be the explanation of what happened to Shalua Rui of D.O.C., and Cait Sith riding his Moogle again, a good story addition would be the destruction of Gold Saucer, lika a FMV featuring the base (trunk) of it being cut in half by Sephiroth, or it being blown up by a bomb or missile, the falling of the upper area (main area with the attractions and rides), and the shockwave and explosion would be a good animation. The combat style should be like Final Fantasy 7 or like Final Fantasy 10. Oh, and the revival of Aerith and Zack should also let them become party members (playable), with Aerith having all of her original limit breaks, while Zack would be able to equip Swords like Squall and the stats would be different. Zack would have better Physical Attack, Defense, Strength and Accuracy. Cloud would have better Magical Attack, Defense, Evasion, Spirit, and Intelligence.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Logan Haney (talk • contribs)

I don't feel that way. I feel Square-Enix's decisions were generally in the right path. It is very often a company must forsake the wet dream of a fanboy in order to allow the plot enough sanity for lovers of the canon. To translate the introduction of Advent Children, "This is for those who loved the Planet and were its friends." Eric Ryan Jones 06:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is that the exact translation because mine says something slightly different.--Werefang 23:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That is the literal translation I got with the original Japanese verion of the movie. The subtitles changed for the American release, for some reason. Eric Ryan Jones 00:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought so. The english subtitle is a bit more flowery, probably because the exact translation isn't as poetic as it would have seemed in Japanese.--Werefang 00:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PC Version

This is a bit of a broad topic since it kind of covers the titles and subject matter of various articles, but I figured that this would be the best place to bring it up. For those of you who don't know, the PC version of FFVII corrected a lot of errors and mistranslations from original PlayStation release, thus making it a more faithful translation to the original Japanese version of the game. Now from what I understand, the policy here is that if a game is re-released with changes in translations, then these changes are to be represented here in the articles relating to the game. Now I myself do not have a copy of the game, but I can imagine that there were probably quite a few corrections in things like the incorrect translation for cockatrice which was "cokatolis" in the original PlayStation version of the game. So I think that this is probably cause enough to correct this, and whatever other mistranslations were corrected in the PC version of the game. All we need is someone who owns the PC version to elaborate on these differences. Or perhaps there's something out there on the internet that elaborates on them. In any case, I say it's important to make these changes in the articles relating to FFVII in order to reflect the more revised version of the game. –Nahald 19:09, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Official Introduction

Where did this come from? Its not from the PAL manual. Is it in the game? Netherith 14:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

There are only two into's I know.

Opening page of Euro manual:

"IN MIDGAR, a city controlled by the mega-conglomerate Shinra. Inc., the No. 1 Mako Reactor has been blown up by a rebel group, AVALANCHE. AVALANCHE was secretly formed to wage a revellion against Shinra. Inc., an organisation which is absorbing Mako energy, destroying the natural resources of the planet. Cloud, a former if Shinra's elite combat force, SOLDIER, was involved with the bombing of the Mako Reactor. Can Cloud and AVALANCHE protect the planet from the huge, formidable enemy, Shinra. Inc.?"

Opening on the 1996 Aeris demo:

""Shinra Company" --- A large conglomerate that possesses all of the world's energy and controls its politics.

Outraged by the Shinra,the inhabitants formed the revel group 'Avalanche' to resist them.

After coming into contact with Avalanche in a bar, Cloud joins their demolition mission in return for a large reward.

Their target is the Shinra power plant Makoro."

 ILHI ^(W/B) 16:23, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

The wiki comes up as the only website to have it typed on. Doesn't mean it wasn't on a flash website or anything though.  ILHI ^(W/B) 16:32, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

NA PSN official site:

"Mako—the discovery of this natural resource drawn directly from the planet's life force marked the dawn of a new era, and now the energy sustains the lives of people across the world. However, the Shinra Company has monopolized mako production, and in doing so established a powerful hegemony--its influence reaching the far corners of the globe.

Cloud, a former member of Shinra's military organization, SOLDIER, joins the anti-Shinra resistance group AVALANCHE, despite caring little for their motives.

During one of the group's attempts to stop the company, they learn of the return of Sephiroth, Cloud's nemesis, and that with his reemergence, the planet is in greater danger than anyone had expected. With the fate of the world riding on their success, Cloud and his allies set out to quell this deadly threat."

 ILHI ^(W/B) 16:42, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

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