AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. 23:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
		Diablocon (the admin I might add) does have a slight point though. While there is no rule saying that you can't discuss whether a game is good or not, you really should keep those discussions to your userpage. Talk pages are really for discussion of the article, not the game in question (nobody gives a damn though, including me) So while it doesn't really matter, I think everyone would be happy if you put a discussion like this on your user talk page instead of here. And for the matter, FFVII kicks ass. It's not the best, but it's certainly good. Only thing bad about it is the fanboys.

		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 23:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
		I'm sorry if I came off a little mean Prophet, I tend to appear meaner than I actually am to people who haven't been here for too long. Most things I say are with good intentions. And there's no need to mention I'm an Admin AK, I'm probably the monst un-admin person on all the wikis.

• It's ok D,don't worry about it.:)~The Prophet~^{(Talk to me)} 16:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}
		Remix version? Am I missing something here?

I think FFVII wasn't as good or as crappy as people say it was, but one thing that confuses me is why did it become so popular while the other Final Fantasys are much less known? Obviously after Square made add-ons to the FFVII world (Before Crisis, Advent Children etc.) it would become well-known, but why did it rise up in the first place? -dudutsai

It's the most popular because it was really developed by a "dream team". It's the FF which got the most influences from the most talented people: Sakaguchi, Uematsu, Nomura, Kitase, Takahashi, Naora, Kato, etc. The FF team slowly desintegrated after the game: Sakaguchi had less and less to do with the series because he wanted to to the FF movie; Uematsu had less and less to do with the series because he created his own music company; Tetsuya Takahashi (FFVII chief concept artist) went to create Xenogears and Xenosaga; Yusuke Naora (FFVII art director) went to create Code Age Commanders, Masato Kato (additional scenario writer) went to create Xenogears and Chrono Cross, etc. The FF team now is headed by Nomura and Kitase; they're two smart guys, but they can't create the "magic touch" that the complete team could create all together. FFVII is like Chrono Trigger and the FF that came after are like Chrono Cross... Izlude Tingel 21:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
		FFVII was certainly not done by any sort of Dream Team. The only respectable person on that staff was Nobuo Uematsu. Amano is better than Nomura, and Sakaguchi wasn't on it, and neither was Ito. Chrono Trigger was the Dream Team game. Now, was FFVII crappy? Absolutely not. It was a wonderful game that was fun to play and had an interesting story, at least in the part of the Shinra staff. The whole Sephiroth part wasn't cool at all though. And the character designs were alright, and were probably Nomura's only decent ones. The ones that sucked were Cloud, Aeris, Yuffie, Sephiroth, Cait Sith, and Reno. All of these characters suck in general. However, FFVII was by no means a gift from God, nor was it even close to one of the best games ever made. It had its flaws, and most of them are the fact that the game had the Final Fantasy label on it. It followed FFVI, which was the best game to carry the FF label, and thus was a major disappointment. Final Fantasy to me needs to be set in time periods which last from the 9th century to the early 20th century, not a futuristic dystopia. If another RPG series were to be made in futuristic dystopias, and this game was in that series, I'd probably like it a lot more. The other main problem with the game is the one everyone has with it except the diehard, illiterate fanboys. This is the fact that it has TOO. MANY. SPINNOFFS. One or two spinoffs would be fine, but not ten of them. Square needs to have its priorities in this order: Chrono Break Something NEW AND ORIGINAL The next Final Fantasy game The next Mana game THEN maybe you can go to the spinoffs, but you have to give all the games equal time.

What people fail to realize is that there are no FFVII spinoff. Compilation of FFVII is a franchise, a series in itself. It's just that it has a "VII" in its name, so it sounds awkward to consider it a real, standalone series. Izlude Tingel 18:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ser Blue says at 18:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Har, I believe it's all part of making it less Square-ish and more Square Enix-ish, just like they did to Ivalice, which is based on FFXII and not FFT.

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
		Compilation of FFVII ARE spinoffs. The Final Fantasy series was designed a certain way, with one game having absolutely NO connections to the previous one. Each game featured a unique world with unique characters. When you go in a different direction, you are spinning off course, and that's what Square did with all the FFVII spinnoffs. And it's NOT standalone. It's related to FFVII.

Wrong. They stopped this "no connection" gimmick since FFV and its anime sequel. And of course Compilation of FFVII is related to FFVII; that's not what I said, what I said is that FFVII is not related to the other FF games (apart from the minor "Easter egg"-like Shinra reference with FFX). FFVII+Compilation of FFVII forms a distinctive series just like FFAdventure+Mana+World of Mana forms a distinctive series. Izlude Tingel 09:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 14:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
		You are both correct, but on different subjects. From a completely technical point of view, FFVII indeed has no actual spin-offs, but rather a compiled series of sequels and prequels. However DoC is a bit half-in/half-out since part of the intro to the game took place during events of the original FFVII, which would (in a small part) make DoC a spin-off. As for the "no connection"-thing, CSM is right. You (Izzy) failed to notice the topic of the sentence (which I have emphasized): "The Final Fantasy series was designed a certain way, with one game having absolutely NO connections to the previous one.". An OVA is not a game, so you have not proven CSM wrong in any way, you just brought to attention that the OVA was the first secondary media to have a connection to an existing FF game, which was basically besides the point. The "no connection"-thing did not end until the making of FFX-2 (as I recall it).

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 16:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
		By your logic, every single FF game is its own series.

Lol, a series is a group of games; a unique game can't form a series. And by your logic, Dawn of Mana is an FF spin-off. Izlude Tingel 17:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 18:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
		The ENTIRE Mana series has FF stuff in it, although it's its own series in its own right. But the FFVII are spinoffs, maybe Square game them a name to hide what they really are, but the fact it's spinoffs. The series is called the Final Fantasy series, and includes ALL games in the series AND their spinoffs.

PS3? Edit

		Chocotard - It's my party and you'll cry if I want you to. TALK - 14:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
		All right, I can see me getting flamed like a motherfucker for this, but I think the PS3 section should be deleted, per WP:CB. I've never seen anything like this: fanboys seem to interpret "It's not happening, there are no plans to make this game" as "OMG it'll be out in November!" No, it won't. It's not coming out. Don't get me wrong, I love FF7 as much as the next guy (unless that guy happens to be CSM), but there isn't going to be a remake for PS3. Ever. This is the only position supported by the evidence.

		FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." 14:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
		What evidence?

		Chocotard - It's my party and you'll cry if I want you to. TALK - 14:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
		Direct quotes from the creators of the game.

		FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." 14:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
		And don't you think it's kind of... inadequate to say someone said something without actually showing that they said it? In other words, sources, plz.

		Chocotard - It's my party and you'll cry if I want you to. TALK - 14:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
		No, I don't think so, considering the quotes have been floating around for 2 years. But here: [[1]] [[2]]

		FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." 14:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
		The worst part of this is that we are now officially stuck with "Aeris".

		Oath To Order TALK - {{{time}}}
		Don't remove it. Just rewrite it and say 'they hinted. it didn't happen.'

		Drake Clawfang - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 05:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
		Leave it, those quotes say to me "we're not making it, but we're not saying we're never gonna make it..." I mean, Blizzard Entertainment was saying the same thing about StarCraft 2 years ago and now it's publicly in development. You can't trust game companies, they never reveal their hand until they're got a winner. Come vote in the Soul Shrine and take one of my Final Fantasy quizzes.

{{UndyingVsSephiroth|text=I feel screwed!

--Red VII 23:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)They also had the Orginal Final Fantasy VII Game for $10.00 on an online Ps3/PSP Store. Maybe Thats what they meant??

Director and Story Writer of FFVII, Yoshinori Kitase said they might be able to focus a little bit more on this project once XIII is complete. SuperGuyverUSA 11:30, 2 October 2009

--They are going to continue on the remake for FFVII when they have completed FFXV. They want everyone from the original group to work on the remake. They don't want new blood (anyone from anything else) working on it, they want to keep it pure to the original.

76.233.69.30 16:00, November 3, 2010 (UTC)V8Bug

Source please? R8.50Mango 16:02, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Search? Edit

What Happened to the diagram List Thingies At The Bottems of the Pages I Can't Find Anything and the Search Engine is Useless Because i'm a Horrible typist. Fix it

I have a planEdit

		1stclasswarrior - Meus vita , meus diligo , meus lily of sanctimonia... TALK - 17:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
		Does anyone have "connections" with SQEX that also like me ADORES FF VII? I have a plan to bring the "good" games back.

Famicom versionEdit

The Famicom version of VII is barely covered on the internet. I think we should give some coverage. This would include:

• Basic "List of" pages. Enemies and Items mainly.
• Mentionings of items and enemies on parents as a sub of VII.
• Possibly enemy pages: If not, just use the enemies pages and link to/redirect the names to that page.
• A sub-section/Sub-sections on VII location pages of what happens in the NES version, or what differences occur. And Items can get a sub-section too.

I just think we should give more coverage than a quick mention on the VII page.  ILHI 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Save me from creating a forum topic - read talkpages.  ILHI 18:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally I'd say that thing should get only the most minimum of coverage because it isn't a real Final Fantasy game. Its a pirated fan game, and should only get as much coverage as we give fan games. --BlueHighwind ツ 20:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy II NES, Final Fantasy III NES, Final Fantasy V SNES. They were fan-translations weren't they (I hope so)? FFII DSOP wasn't even released, and I believe the only way to get it was through a technically illegal way (I think). Okay, so I don't know a lot, I don't care to know a lot. Difference is this isn't just a fan-translation, actually far from it, this is an entire fan-remake of the game. Then it deserves its own page at the wiki. Here it can give a story section not intruding on other VII articles. However, I still think this deserves as much coverage as The After Years does. Re-using enemy sprites, barely different storyline from the original. The only difference is one is slightly more official. At one point we covered 8-Bit theatre, and that is even further from Final Fantasy as we know it.  ILHI 21:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Glad to see you crossed out your own argument there. Those were real games, just not released outside of Japan. The translation was irrelevant to their status. But if this game does get its own page, it should not turn this one into a tagged article. It can be "Final Fantasy VII (Famicom)", but I'd rather not see that push this page around into a redirect.

Or we could go the AJ-Baby solution and use a / for whatever BS reason he comes up with. =D --BlueHighwind ツ 21:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This page wouldn't be disambiguated either way, but a sub-page doesn't sound like a half-bad idea. Subpages usually reduce the importance of a page (So much so I'd even link to my own sandbox in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years/Translations) and the game doesn't have a name other than "Final Fantasy VII". A tag doesn't look that great too.

I'll have to assume CL is our only "expert" though. Wish I could play this game. Apparently it's only good when you're cheating. Battles take ages, and I believe their rather frequent. Still, just for the experience and lulz.  ILHI 22:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to make a correction here; people are saying that it's a pirated game, however, this is incorrect. Downloading the ROMs or ISOs of the official games is piracy; what the Famicom version is is a fan-made bootleg.P0lar bear 21:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Bootleg: verb (transitive) to make, transport and/or sell an illegal version or copy of a copyright product.

You're correct about it being a fan-made bootleg. However, technically, it's still "piracy," and it's still illegal. ROMs are bad and ROM players are cheap bastards who deserve not to play the game. There is no middle ground on the thick line between pirates and decent people. Master Conjurer 00:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

can someone clarify this for me, I was under the impression that ROMs are legal so long as you own the original copy of the game and merely have no means to play it? (example if you own FFI but your NES is unusable, as most are, but you own both componants nonetheless... than using an FFI ROM would be legal?) Zuken 19:07, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Robot Chicken's FFVII Skit Edit

(cur) (prev) 12:04, 4 June 2009 BlueHighwind (Talk | contribs) (41,399 bytes) (mentioned already someplace else) (undo)

Where, exactly? I've read numerous pages here and haven't seen anything on that. P0lar bear 15:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy in Popular Culture. Diablocon 21:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

ACC Edit

TenzaZangetsu 15,797 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "You know what? I’m not going to kill her. I think slow torture’s the way to go.": I think we should move all the AC sections to ACC (including characters sections) since ACC has all the information of AC and more.

		BlueHighwind Q? 18:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - This Land is Made of... LOVE AND PEACE!! LOVE AND PEACE!! ツ:
		Same movie, same plot, same everything really. I think Advent Children Complete in general gets too much coverage on this wiki. We don't give a whole new section for the Advance remakes or the War of the Lions.

TenzaZangetsu 15,797 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "Yeah, MySpace, what the hell is that? Seriously, is that like some sort of porn site?.": The War of the Lions had a new translation.

So has every other re-release. ACC is just AC with better graphics and a few extra scenes including a different ending. FF4 DS had more differences from the Super NES release than ACC has from AC. Why doesn't it have its own page? Drake Clawfang 20:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 15,797 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion": Since my opinion means squack in this place, I won't say anything.

If you can't handle people disagreeing with you then yes, don't say anything. Drake Clawfang 20:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 15,797 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "You have two choices: Live with me or die without me!": It's not that, I give a fuck what people think of me but I know that my suggestions are never going to be accepted, just like the suggestion I just did.

You're absolutely right, this particular suggestion was a bad one so don't suggest anything ever again. Drake Clawfang 20:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 15,797 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "Common people are nothing but pieces, that I can control at will": You haven't listen, right? I give a fuck what people think of me, that's what makes me a good editor, every time I do something without aking anyone, it tourns out well.

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 20:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
		EDIT CONFLICT: @Tenza: It might be a good idea if Advent Children Complete totally replaced the original. However, as outlined on the page, there are a few minor instances where AC includes scenes not present in ACC (Aerith creidts) and ACC includes scenes not present in AC (this moreso that the other). I haven't watched Complete, but it would be best to highlight these differences on the Advent Children page rather than on the FFVII page and individual character pages. Also, it's not a good idea to implement major changes without telling anyone.

		FinalFighterA+ - ...has too much time on his hands TALK - time? {{{time}}}
		I agree with 8-bit here one of the two AC pages should doccument the differencs between them (along with a link to the main story page of course), i would suggest the ACC page since the AC page is already built up.

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 22:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
		Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Complete#Plot contains details about the differences between the original and the expansion. Anything new should be added there.

Enough Already! Edit

Does anyone else feel that they should stop making prequels and midquels(in between stories), and just make one solid sequel where all of the original cast get's back together to fight a revived Sephiroth for a final time. And a good feature to this sequel game would be the revival of Aerith and Zack. Another good addition would be the explanation of what happened to Shalua Rui of D.O.C., and Cait Sith riding his Moogle again, a good story addition would be the destruction of Gold Saucer, lika a FMV featuring the base (trunk) of it being cut in half by Sephiroth, or it being blown up by a bomb or missile, the falling of the upper area (main area with the attractions and rides), and the shockwave and explosion would be a good animation. The combat style should be like Final Fantasy 7 or like Final Fantasy 10. Oh, and the revival of Aerith and Zack should also let them become party members (playable), with Aerith having all of her original limit breaks, while Zack would be able to equip Swords like Squall and the stats would be different. Zack would have better Physical Attack, Defense, Strength and Accuracy. Cloud would have better Magical Attack, Defense, Evasion, Spirit, and Intelligence.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Logan Haney (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

I don't feel that way. I feel Square-Enix's decisions were generally in the right path. It is very often a company must forsake the wet dream of a fanboy in order to allow the plot enough sanity for lovers of the canon. To translate the introduction of Advent Children, "This is for those who loved the Planet and were its friends." Eric Ryan Jones 06:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is that the exact translation because mine says something slightly different.--Werefang 23:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That is the literal translation I got with the original Japanese verion of the movie. The subtitles changed for the American release, for some reason. Eric Ryan Jones 00:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought so. The english subtitle is a bit more flowery, probably because the exact translation isn't as poetic as it would have seemed in Japanese.--Werefang 00:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the same thing, sorta. I don't want a remake, I want them to finish the story. They left a lot of things up in the air that I think could come back for an awesome end to the compilation. I heard they were going to stop making content for the compilation on FFVII's 20th birthday, but I couldn't tell you where I heard that from... I realize I am REALLY late on adding my two cents, but, whatev's. --In citrus heights 01:27, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

PC Version Edit

This is a bit of a broad topic since it kind of covers the titles and subject matter of various articles, but I figured that this would be the best place to bring it up. For those of you who don't know, the PC version of FFVII corrected a lot of errors and mistranslations from original PlayStation release, thus making it a more faithful translation to the original Japanese version of the game. Now from what I understand, the policy here is that if a game is re-released with changes in translations, then these changes are to be represented here in the articles relating to the game. Now I myself do not have a copy of the game, but I can imagine that there were probably quite a few corrections in things like the incorrect translation for cockatrice which was "cokatolis" in the original PlayStation version of the game. So I think that this is probably cause enough to correct this, and whatever other mistranslations were corrected in the PC version of the game. All we need is someone who owns the PC version to elaborate on these differences. Or perhaps there's something out there on the internet that elaborates on them. In any case, I say it's important to make these changes in the articles relating to FFVII in order to reflect the more revised version of the game. –Nahald 19:09, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Official Introduction Edit

Where did this come from? Its not from the PAL manual. Is it in the game? Netherith 14:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

There are only two into's I know.

Opening page of Euro manual:

"IN MIDGAR, a city controlled by the mega-conglomerate Shinra. Inc., the No. 1 Mako Reactor has been blown up by a rebel group, AVALANCHE. AVALANCHE was secretly formed to wage a revellion against Shinra. Inc., an organisation which is absorbing Mako energy, destroying the natural resources of the planet. Cloud, a former if Shinra's elite combat force, SOLDIER, was involved with the bombing of the Mako Reactor. Can Cloud and AVALANCHE protect the planet from the huge, formidable enemy, Shinra. Inc.?"

Opening on the 1996 Aeris demo:

""Shinra Company" --- A large conglomerate that possesses all of the world's energy and controls its politics.

Outraged by the Shinra,the inhabitants formed the revel group 'Avalanche' to resist them.

After coming into contact with Avalanche in a bar, Cloud joins their demolition mission in return for a large reward.

Their target is the Shinra power plant Makoro."

 ILHI 16:23, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

The wiki comes up as the only website to have it typed on. Doesn't mean it wasn't on a flash website or anything though.  ILHI 16:32, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

NA PSN official site:

"Mako—the discovery of this natural resource drawn directly from the planet's life force marked the dawn of a new era, and now the energy sustains the lives of people across the world. However, the Shinra Company has monopolized mako production, and in doing so established a powerful hegemony--its influence reaching the far corners of the globe.

Cloud, a former member of Shinra's military organization, SOLDIER, joins the anti-Shinra resistance group AVALANCHE, despite caring little for their motives.

During one of the group's attempts to stop the company, they learn of the return of Sephiroth, Cloud's nemesis, and that with his reemergence, the planet is in greater danger than anyone had expected. With the fate of the world riding on their success, Cloud and his allies set out to quell this deadly threat."

 ILHI 16:42, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

SuggestionEdit

I was just wondering if someone could say when the discs end and start, or at least tell me here,if it's not too much trouble because I'm just a little curious.66.68.18.72 07:19, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

disc one ends when aeris is killed in the city of the ancients. disc two ends after defeating hojo on the sister ray in midgar, (also defeating shinra outright)

job done

mike

Decline of Video Gaming Edit

Should it be noted that FFVII is shown in the flash "A decline christmas"? it shows Santa playing ffvii with clouds limit break screen with maxed out HP and MP but then he realizes that a gameshark was used. --Sencilia 02:28, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong with Cartridges? Edit

		Uppfinnarn TALK SITE ANIME LIST MANGA LIST  -  16:56, January 23, 2010 (UTC) *beep* The Number you have called is no longer available. Leave a message after the tone, and you'll find your house in an ocean of fire. —Nagi, Hayate no Gotoku!
		Why is the fact that Nintendo 64 uses Cartridges a problem?

		ScatheMote - 16:59, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
		Cartridges were more expensive then CDs, and CDs could hold more data then cartridges.

		Adonzo - I don't claim to have a degree in doctorology TALK - 17:00, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
		I think the main issue was memory. Cartridges could not compete with CDs in terms of memory, and given the epic scale of FF7, it could not have possibly fit on a cartridge. Save data on the N64 also saved to the cartridge itself instead of a memory card, preventing the ability to switch cartridges during gameplay

		Cyicewings TALK - 17:00, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
		It's just less efficient then disks because they hold far less data. For instance, Final Fantasy VII was originally going o be released on the N64, but it would have taken about 20 cartridges rather then just 3 ps disks.

		Golden Monkey - Of course you can trust giant reptilian priests. TALK - 6:06 PM March 2nd 2010
		Additionally, you can't switch a cartridge. Well, you could (at least til that feature was removed by Nintendo-see Banjo Tooie), but it wasn't the same. You can switch between CDs freely. So really, having this on the N64 is impossible.

Glitch or not? Edit

When I was at Corel Prison on Disc One, a glitch occurred where the text and menu screens were scrambled all over. (I'm playing the PSP rerelease) Are they any glithes like this in the original PlayStation game? SSFF6B 17:49, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

		Adonzo - I don't claim to have a degree in doctorology TALK - 17:51, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
		I don't recall anything like that in the original. Probably just an emulation quirk.

That's probably so. Remember whenever a person played Final Fantasy Anthology (FFV disc) on the PS2, the menu screen was all glitched up? SSFF6B 17:53, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Debug Room Help Edit

I cant find room number 8, can someone help me find it?

sephiroth Edit

ok here goes,

im a diehard ff fan, especially 7. its by far the best in my personal opinion. but it was only until i played crisis core and watched before crisis on youtube that i truly realised im not entirely sure if i understand final fantasy 7 as much as i thought i did. i thought i knew and understood the story perfectly...

however, i find myself asking the question, who IS sephiroth (seph from now on)

this is how i believe it to be, but i want someone to correct me wherever im wrong please.

i believe seph to be "created" by prof gast and prof hojo, the original seph that is. this is the same seph that was killed BY cloud in the nibelheim mako reactor, we see him fall into the mako below. my 1st question is HOW was he created? were the cells of jenova injected into lucrecia? which makes her the biological mother right? (as they mention in the game i believe) if this is true then how is it that hojo claims at the end of disc 2 that HE is sephs father? surely he should have no father. so yeah id like someone to really explain how he was created.

my second problem is, if he was killed in the nibelheim reactor, then who is the seph that comes to the shinra building in the present time and murders president shinra and breaks jenova out. this is the seph the team are chasing as we know. the one that they see on the cargo ship, the one they see murder aeris, the one we see at the temple of the ancients etc.

i have trouble understanding who that specific sephiroth is because i know that later on in the game we see yet ANOTHER seph frozen in ice/mako in the north cave, the seph that cloud hands the black materia to. is that the REAL one that was killed 5 years ago? because its a long way from nibelheim to the north cave, so how does he get there? and who tells cloud to give him the materia? and HOW does he have all this control over cloud? what is the link between them, how does he even have any control over cloud.

please enlighten me so that my 10th playthrough can be enjoyed even more so.

thank you very much, mike

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Sephiroth is the son of Hojo and Lucrecia. Lucrecia left Vincent for Hojo and soon became pregnant. The Jenova project has been going on for awhile and Lucrecia agreed to have her unborn baby used for the experiment (having Jenova cells implanted into the fetus). That baby was named Sephiroth. Hojo and Lucrecia are his biological parents and he has Jenova's cells.

When Cloud defeated Sephiroth in the Nibelheim Reactor, Sephiroth just fell into the Mako pool. He didn't officially die. THIS Sephiroth was the one frozen at the Northern Crater. The Sephiroth at the beginning of the game who killed President Shinra was a part of Jenova in the form of Sephiroth (it's still unconfirmed whether it's really Jenova or if Sephiroth is in control remotely). Sephiroth has control over Cloud because Cloud, along with Zack, were implanted with Sephiroth's cells. After Cloud defeated Sephiroth at the Nibelheim Reactor, Hojo took Cloud and Zack's unconscious bodies and experimented with them (if you played Crisis Core to the end, you should know this part).

Dirge of Cerberus explains a little more about Hojo and Lucrecia so check that game out. Also, there are some hidden cutscenes in the original game that tell a little more about Lucrecia, Gast, and Zack so try to find those. ProtoExia 04:16, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

this is really fantastic stuff, its made it so much easier to grasp now, even though reading it back, its stuff i should know, i just interpreted it not good enough.

however i would still like to know how nibelheim seph moved to the north crater frozen, its a long way to go. also the bizzaro and safer sephiroth's, are they jenova yet again after J-absolute? or are they the "frozen" seph? and i THINK the very very final sephiroth is all in clouds mind, possibly the sephiroth cells messing with his mind. and he fights him mentally?

there is one last question that is sort of related to this,

the voice in clouds head

"watch out this isnt just an ordinary reactor" mako reactor 1 "back then you got away with scraped knees" Landing in the flowers "been a while since you slept in a bed like this, where was tifa 5 years ago, ask her" junon house after bottomswell

theres a few cases i specifically remember and after playing crisis core it made me wonder, is the voice zack? talkin to him? (as they share a connection), in that cloud has his memories and is his living legacy. also they were both injected.

or is it sephiroth talking to his mind winding him up and getting to him?

or is it simply clouds thoughts? (cos we're all allowed to have our own thoughts for once!)

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About those thoughts in his head, you can interpret that however you want. It's pretty much just a narration to the player (Cloud's thoughts in third person) so you know what you should do next (RPGs would be pretty confusing if there wasn't some form of direction). You really didn't need to analyze everything. And about Sephiroth moving to the Northern Crater, it's kind of confusing. When Sephiroth fell into the Mako pool (Lifestream), he spent a couple years traveling the Lifestream in a comatose state until he eventually came to rest at the Northern Crater. And yes, Bizarro and Safer Sephiroth are mutations of Jenova. But maybe, just maybe, this is all something that a Japanese company created. You seriously don't need to think too hard about everything and even if you did, most of your questions about this game can be answered by researching this wiki (that's what wikis are for, aren't they?).

Aerith Edit

I understand that her name is Aerith, but why do most pages that mention her say Aeris? Aeris is not her name, that was a translation error. Not only that the makers of Final Fantasy VII acknowledged the error as well as fixed it in the sequel and prequels. So her name should be changed from Aeris to Aerith on the pages that it is Aerith. Can someone fix it please? Thank You!--Silver Praetor 20:22, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Top the page. Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:42, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the changes to Aeris. I personally agree...I always thought Square had no business changing the name after the fact. Even if it was a translation error, a name is a name, it really doesn't matter (and if we're so concerned about translation errors, why don't we change Edward of FFIV's name to Gilbert?)

Still, 'Aerith' is technically correct in addition to 'Aeris', as much as I dislike the former. It's like how the Wikia tends to use British English, using 'familiarise' over 'familiarize'. Both are correct, but I'm not changing it to the latter just because I'm American. There's a case to be made for the fact that since Aeris's name in the game was Aeris, it doesn't matter what Square decided to call her later. Of course, the opposing argument (no doubt made by Ultimania readers and people who liked FFX-2, and people who think Palom and Porom are 5 years old) is that whatever Square says is law. In short...don't make a big fuss out of it, because it's technically correct, either way. Even if you personally prefer one over the other. --Haveanicedays 02:09, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, this wiki decided a while ago to stick as best as possible to American English, but nobody's going around changing it all just because. The policy on Aerith is to keep it to the in-game name per article/section to avoid the confusion it might cause, like how Red XIII isn't called Nanaki all over the place because it's not his default. I just reverted an effort to go counter to that policy and standardized the article according to it where it was previously mixed. Bluestarultor 03:05, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I didn't know that. Still, I hope you realize that the American/Brit English was an analogy. People are endlessly going to change Aeris to Aerith and visa versa based on whichever they are more comfortable with, so we need to accept both as correct. --Haveanicedays 08:12, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

DevelopmentEdit

The Development section could have so much more information. For starters, there have been loads of screenshots for the N64 based-game, including Bahamut, Grand Horns with Grunts, and various other things. Furthermore, there were two demos, the first is Aeris's Demo, the second is Tifa's Demo (which is covered far less). Then there are a number of removed scenes including Johnny in Midgar, and from the looks of it, an extra dungeon the first time Northern Crater is visited after the Whirlwind Maze. There's also the "traveling salesman" from Gongaga who would originally give you letters to his wife, and daughter I think. He also would make implications about Titan's existence -- "I came because I heard that near this village was Materia strong enough to shake the earth."

And then there's the debug room information our articles are missing, and the test enemies.

There was easily enough information to detail the differences to make the Final Fantasy VII Demo (Aeris) article. Which is a rather lengthy article. Development could easily get its own, lengthier, subpage.

A link someone gave on a talk page - this - that's plenty of interesting information. 88.108.113.109 14:04, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Nitpicking the Trivia section Edit

Is there a reason to keep deleting legitimate lines? It's right. I proved it. Yeesh. Like with the Zidane reference to Cloud. There's a picture: zidane_ref_cloud.jpg. Please stop nitpicking when it comes to correct lines.

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2)Because it's not a reference to FFVII specifically, it's a reference to Cloud and the Buster Sword, and is mentioned on their respective articles.Likeacupcake 09:33, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

PS or PCEdit

The wiki uses the most recent NA translation of the games, right? There are only a few differences in translations, such as "Angermax" over "Ungarmax".

But I was just bust open a file in the data to reveal that the Ice element is called the "Cold" element in VII PC.

So do we change everything? 79.69.193.89 16:46, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hrm...where is it called Cold at in the PC version? I don't own it so I can't say nothing on it (though I remember it saying Cold in some parts in PSX VII....though Ice in other parts of it so...). Xenomic 17:04, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's not called Cold at least not in my PC version.EDIT: In the Materia equip screen anyway the Materia's element is "Ice" for Shiva and Ice Materia. The only different gameplay terms I remember are Kjata is Kujata, Touph Ring is Tough Ring and Ungarmax is Angermax.Keltainentoukokuu 17:05, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Did you try to equip the Ice Ring/Minerva Bangle/armor that absorbs/null Ice? I think it says in those things Cold instead of Ice for whatever absurd reason... Xenomic 17:14, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, is it only in equipment it is different? In both versions? 79.69.193.89 17:46, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I know it's like that in the PSX version, not sure about PC version. Xenomic 19:26, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well it is in PC. Oh well, we should probably mention that in the Ice (Element) article. Apologies for being mistaken. Damn inconsistencies across translations. 79.69.193.89 19:41, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Why Edit

"Cid leads the party to fight against Shinra's plan to stop Meteor. Shinra schemes to load the Huge Materia onto Cid's rocket and launch it directly at Meteor."

Why? I've only played this game once quite a while ago so a blatant reason could be explaned but why exactly to the protagonists go to the trouble of ruining Shinra's plans to save the world? I know they'd be a little bit angry at Shinra for thew hole execution thing but really their efforts could have been a lot more focused towards getting into the North Crater. Is there any explicit reason stated in game as to why the party is so intent in stopping Shinra doing something good for once? Oni Dark Link 11:33, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

The best explanation given in the game is that they "need" Huge Materia in order to defeat Sephiroth and simply cannot allow it to be lost in space. This is all a bit nonsensical though, because at this point the party don't know that defeating Sephiroth will also defeat the Meteor, and you don't have to use the Huge Materia for anything, they just leave them there at Bugenhagen's planetarium even if you did get them all. You never have to use them to make new Materia.Keltainentoukokuu 18:18, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Categories Edit

The maintence report lists this page as uncategorized. Yet it has 5 categories right there. What's up with that?! Cat: meow ∙ hunt 18:42, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

And still listed. Please tell me somebody didn't mess with the maintence report cache thingy up there in the Shinra Wikia HQ... they just fixed it after all... Cat: meow ∙ hunt 22:37, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I would comment, but really, categorised things turning up in the categorised maintenance page has been a problem since the beginning of time. 79.69.207.173 22:50, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Need more info about International ver. Edit

By any chance, is there any out there with more information about what sort of changes made their way into the International version of the game? I've heard ambiguous claims like, "some bugs were fixed," but without further elaboration. I'm particularly interested in whether or not magic defense on armor is calculated correctly in this version.

I'm aware that it's more or less a re-release of the U.S. version with its various changes, but I assume it would be a bit more polished. 98.86.102.39 20:34, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose what we have here is all we ourselves know until someone finds it out. Feel free to try it out yourself if you have the relevant copy of the game. We could do with the info. Tia-Lewise 20:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Although I'm not 100% certain about this, I'm pretty sure that the only real difference in the International version is that the original Japanese script saw minor edits to improve the writing. Other than that, the game is pretty much identical to the English PAL version. Wohdin 00:04, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Wohdin, you didn't sign your comment :P Tia-Lewise 23:20, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not used to having to lol. Wohdin 00:04, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

My impression is also that there isn't much difference, only it comes with a bonus disk that has some extra info on items or something. The reason they perhaps didn't fix any bugs is because as soon as FFVII went gold the project was shut down and the team just separated and in that case they just don't want to touch the code anymore if the original programmers are gone. Plus there is that story that they lost the original data and the computers FFVII was worked on... What a mess. I think there is a version differences FAQ in GameFAQs if you're interested. We could have a version differences subpage for FFVII though... original Japanese vs. NA/PAL version vs. PC version vs. International version...Keltainentoukokuu 02:52, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Programming changes were made to the game. There's a new sidequest involving various key items that don't really have any function. They're just lying around various parts of the game world. When you load your save file from the bonus disc, you unlock special information about whichever bonus items you've found. Since at least that much of the programming was changed, (not even taking the newly-translated cutscenes from the U.S. version. into consideration) I figured other tidbits might have been changed as well. Some bugfixes would make sense, at the very least. I've heard (from multiple sources) that some of the U.S. bugs were fixed, but I can't verify this for myself. Some of these bugs are too technical for me to test; but I do actually own a copy of the International version. 98.86.116.91 22:02, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

A Question Concerning the Trivia Edit

... Is it really necessary to add to the trivia that FF7's logo is similar to the meteor monument in Advent Children? I mean... it's based two years after the game's events itself... I just don't find it that notable, seeing how obvious it is for any FF Wiki goer... Even those who haven't even played the game :/... Meh. 67.244.5.142 20:23, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

It probably would be better suited for the Advent Children page. I'll go ahead and move it. wohdin _{yes the whole earth} 20:29, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Great. And either way, wouldn't Advent Children's meteor monument be similar to FF7's logo? It always bothered me... and I don't know why :/. _{It is a mystery...} 67.244.5.142 20:47, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

PC2012 coverartEdit

So I wondered if SE did anything in terms of coverart for PC2012. And they have in fact. For NA we have this from here, and for Euro we have this from here.

But they're so damn small. They didn't just decide to re-use covers, but that's as large as I can find them on the sites. Admittedly they'd be at a smaller resolution on the page so I'm not sure it matters that much.

We want to add? 79.69.192.15 00:04, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

They really went the effort didn't they. I don't think we can call them proper covers, because they don't even say Square Enix on them. What kinda cover doesn't mention the creator.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 00:21, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

One that doesn't require proper publishing and is only found on the developer's store? 79.69.192.15 00:30, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, just for the sake of coverage, even if they are terrible :/ (Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW 00:37, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

A ComicEdit

I found this here. Couldn't think of a better place to post.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 18:59, December 10, 2012 (UTC)