Talk:Final Fantasy V
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[edit] Planet R is not referenced at all in Final Fantasy IV: The After
Why are people insisting that these boss battle cameos are indicative of a plot connection to every Final Fantasy up to VI? FFIV-The After makes no mention whatsoever to Planet R, and putting that in the trivia section is incredibly misleading and inaccurate. Final Fantasy has reused bosses more times than I care to count. In FF1, Kuja says he created the Four Chaos from the master crystal. Do people seriously believe Gaia and Terra are the same world from FF1?
Here. Look at the dialogue from The Creator, which was translated on thelifestream.net. Here's the link.
Ceodore: "Where's it coming from?"
Porom: "Can you see anything? It's reaching into our minds..."
Calca: "......!"
Brina: "......?!"
Cecil: "It spoke... directly into our minds!"
The Creator: "I'm performing an experiment. Do you understand... my words...?"
Ceodore: "I understand... but..."
Porom: "What are you after? What are you doing in our minds..."
Calca: "......?!"
Brina: "......?!"
Cecil: "Who... are you..."
Creator: "As you've probably guessed, I am the owner of the crystals. I created the crystals for this experiment. The crystals spread across your world are, of course, no exception. And, at last, the time has come to harvest them. I ordered the Maenads to go to your planet for this reason."
Cecil: "Those girls...?"
Creator: "Those girls, the Maenads, are advanced experimental subjects I created from the records of many crystals."
Cecil: "So why is this moon moving toward the planet?"
Creator: "Unfortunately, it's time. As expected, you were unable to satisfy me. I can't allow the inferior form of evolution on your world to continue spreading. Therefore, it will be assimilated by this True Moon."
[Background music stops]
Cecil: "Wha-what?!"
Ceodore: "Such-such arrogance!"
Porom: "What kind of...!"
Calca: "......! ......!! .........!!!"
Brina: "......?! ......?! .........?!!!"
Creator: "All of you are nothing more than lifeforms who evolved because of the crystals I created. It could be said that you are my creations. Along with the crystals, the Maenads, and this True Moon. Therefore, you can call me... Creator!
In the distant past... I was born on a blue planet similar to your world.
We exhausted the limits of its prosperity. The soil eroded... We'd indulged ourselves until it was spent...
By the time our great thinkers became aware of what was happening, it was too late to reverse it.
We abandoned our home planet and sought a world with more accommodating ground...
Then long years passed and other generations repeated history.
When the artificially created environment deteriorated, there was nothing that didn't follow after it...
This True Moon is the end result of that occurrence... and I am the last survivor.
How should civilizations be built, how should they evolve...?
I demanded answers, and so I repeat this experiment, recording the processes and results with the crystals I created.
I sent them out to many worlds who had the possibility to develop the presence of life...
[Screen shakes]
But, regrettably... it already seems... you've reached your limitations..."
As you can read for yourself. Planet R is not mentioned as any of the planets devoured. Please stop saying that FFIV-The After specifically references FFV because it does not. No more than FFIX references FF1, or FF Tactics references the plethora of other FF games it includes. It makes no sense and has no foundation.66.76.60.163 03:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
Aren't you over reacting?--Emil Castagnier 03:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- How is trying to ensure the accuracy and veracity of information on this wiki, overreacting? Especially in regards to trying correct misinformation regarding a game people are not familiar with? There's what's said, so now there shouldn't be any confusion.66.76.60.163 03:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
Can someone explain to me how someone is still claiming an indication of Planet R being destroyed is in FFIV: The After, when I've just posted what the translated Creator dialogue which does not mention such destruction at all? They're cameos for Christ's sake. Like the Four Fiends in FFIX. Or the Phantom Train in FF Tactics, and FF1. Or the Demon's Wall in FFXII. Or the numerous other repeating summons and bosses that appear in Final Fantasy in general . If you really believe a repeated use of bosses is somehow indicative of a plot connection of such magnitude (when this is hardly the first time it's been done) then I suggest you go over to the Final Fantasy IX article, the Final Fantasy Tactics article, The Final Fantasy Article, The Final Fantasy and all of the subsequent articles and start linking them directly to each and every Final Fantasy they reference. Unless you have substantial evidence that specifically ties the plot of FFIV: The After's revelation to the Creator to each and every Final Fantasy, then there's no reason to just not list the FACTS of who the bosses are and let the reader draw their conclusion. Touting inaccurate and misleading trivia with no evidence going for it is hardly constructive.74.192.123.186 19:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
- Agreed, they're just cameos. Also, thanks for the script translations, nice to finally see some of the script in English. Makes the wait for the (supposed) English release less intolerable. :) Diablocon 19:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
So the Creator is Lavos? Okay, that makes sense. Bluetash 17:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- ... I disagree. Yes, there are counterparts of characters and enemies throughout these worlds (we've so many Cids, Chocobos, Bahamuts and such), but these are directly ripped from the original games. The Creator explains why there would be nearly identical Crystals in the first six (well, five) games, and these same exact boss sprites are taken from those games to correspond with the Crystals. They're meant to be the same characters or representations of those original characters. Planet R doesn't need to be referenced. In fact, I'm certain that Square has forgotten about the Final Fantasy V anime that gave it this name. There's also the fact that this Gilgamesh references Bartz, indicating some direct connection.
- Did the Creator end up destroying the other five Final Fantasy worlds? Not necessarily, but it's sort of implied. At the very least, those worlds were visited and those Crystals were left there and picked up again later on. That might explain why Crystals (outside of Magicite) don't appear in Final Fantasy VI, because they were collected before the game began. Of course, that doesn't explain Ultros and the rest, so also a possibility is because they were less important to the story than the Final Fantasy II Crystals. 156.12.219.88 15:37, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Hey Listen
know what else isn't mentioned, Weight. What the heck is the Weight system for? --Brengarrett 15:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Missing underwater location - "Cave of Statistics"?
Maybe I didn't search well enough but it seems to me that the FFV category omits one underwater location (last world). I'm talking about the cave south of Karnak - if I remeber correctly - in which you can talk to someone who tells you some facts about your game:
- Number of battles/slaughtered enemies/saves
- Percentage of found treasures
- Possibly other things that I can't remember
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.45.35 (talk)
If I am not mistaken, you mean the "psychic friend." He doesn't say how many times you've saved. He does also tell you your characters' average EXP and the number of times you've run from battle. I couldn't recall the name of his cave. Is it "Cave of Statistics?" Eric Ryan Jones 18:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, we're talking about the same thing. It is not really called "Cave of Statistics". I simply coined that term in order that people might easier recognize what place I mean. I can't recall the real name, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.45.35 (talk)
I don't know the real name of that place, then again, maybe it doesn't have a name at all! He's called the "Psychic" in his Dissidia icon. --Silver Mage 10:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
We should find someone who is currently playing through V. They could tell us whether it has a name. If it doesn't, I am not sure whether an entire article should be created for it. Either way, we should probably have Psychic in the List of Final Fantasy V Characters. Eric Ryan Jones 17:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
