Planet R is not referenced at all in Final Fantasy IV: The AfterEdit
Why are people insisting that these boss battle cameos are indicative of a plot connection to every Final Fantasy up to VI? FFIV-The After makes no mention whatsoever to Planet R, and putting that in the trivia section is incredibly misleading and inaccurate. Final Fantasy has reused bosses more times than I care to count. In FF1, Kuja says he created the Four Chaos from the master crystal. Do people seriously believe Gaia and Terra are the same world from FF1?
Here. Look at the dialogue from The Creator, which was translated on thelifestream.net. Here's the link.
Ceodore: "Where's it coming from?"
Porom: "Can you see anything? It's reaching into our minds..."
Cecil: "It spoke... directly into our minds!"
The Creator: "I'm performing an experiment. Do you understand... my words...?"
Ceodore: "I understand... but..."
Porom: "What are you after? What are you doing in our minds..."
Cecil: "Who... are you..."
Creator: "As you've probably guessed, I am the owner of the crystals. I created the crystals for this experiment. The crystals spread across your world are, of course, no exception. And, at last, the time has come to harvest them. I ordered the Maenads to go to your planet for this reason."
Cecil: "Those girls...?"
Creator: "Those girls, the Maenads, are advanced experimental subjects I created from the records of many crystals."
Cecil: "So why is this moon moving toward the planet?"
Creator: "Unfortunately, it's time. As expected, you were unable to satisfy me. I can't allow the inferior form of evolution on your world to continue spreading. Therefore, it will be assimilated by this True Moon."
[Background music stops]
Ceodore: "Such-such arrogance!"
Porom: "What kind of...!"
Calca: "......! ......!! .........!!!"
Brina: "......?! ......?! .........?!!!"
Creator: "All of you are nothing more than lifeforms who evolved because of the crystals I created. It could be said that you are my creations. Along with the crystals, the Maenads, and this True Moon. Therefore, you can call me... Creator!
In the distant past... I was born on a blue planet similar to your world.
We exhausted the limits of its prosperity. The soil eroded... We'd indulged ourselves until it was spent...
By the time our great thinkers became aware of what was happening, it was too late to reverse it.
We abandoned our home planet and sought a world with more accommodating ground...
Then long years passed and other generations repeated history.
When the artificially created environment deteriorated, there was nothing that didn't follow after it...
This True Moon is the end result of that occurrence... and I am the last survivor.
How should civilizations be built, how should they evolve...?
I demanded answers, and so I repeat this experiment, recording the processes and results with the crystals I created.
I sent them out to many worlds who had the possibility to develop the presence of life...
But, regrettably... it already seems... you've reached your limitations..."
As you can read for yourself. Planet R is not mentioned as any of the planets devoured. Please stop saying that FFIV-The After specifically references FFV because it does not. No more than FFIX references FF1, or FF Tactics references the plethora of other FF games it includes. It makes no sense and has no foundation.22.214.171.124 03:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
Aren't you over reacting?--Emil Castagnier 03:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- How is trying to ensure the accuracy and veracity of information on this wiki, overreacting? Especially in regards to trying correct misinformation regarding a game people are not familiar with? There's what's said, so now there shouldn't be any confusion.126.96.36.199 03:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
Can someone explain to me how someone is still claiming an indication of Planet R being destroyed is in FFIV: The After, when I've just posted what the translated Creator dialogue which does not mention such destruction at all? They're cameos for Christ's sake. Like the Four Fiends in FFIX. Or the Phantom Train in FF Tactics, and FF1. Or the Demon's Wall in FFXII. Or the numerous other repeating summons and bosses that appear in Final Fantasy in general . If you really believe a repeated use of bosses is somehow indicative of a plot connection of such magnitude (when this is hardly the first time it's been done) then I suggest you go over to the Final Fantasy IX article, the Final Fantasy Tactics article, The Final Fantasy Article, The Final Fantasy and all of the subsequent articles and start linking them directly to each and every Final Fantasy they reference. Unless you have substantial evidence that specifically ties the plot of FFIV: The After's revelation to the Creator to each and every Final Fantasy, then there's no reason to just not list the FACTS of who the bosses are and let the reader draw their conclusion. Touting inaccurate and misleading trivia with no evidence going for it is hardly constructive.188.8.131.52 19:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
- Agreed, they're just cameos. Also, thanks for the script translations, nice to finally see some of the script in English. Makes the wait for the (supposed) English release less intolerable. :) Diablocon 19:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
So the Creator is Lavos? Okay, that makes sense. Bluetash 17:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- ... I disagree. Yes, there are counterparts of characters and enemies throughout these worlds (we've so many Cids, Chocobos, Bahamuts and such), but these are directly ripped from the original games. The Creator explains why there would be nearly identical Crystals in the first six (well, five) games, and these same exact boss sprites are taken from those games to correspond with the Crystals. They're meant to be the same characters or representations of those original characters. Planet R doesn't need to be referenced. In fact, I'm certain that Square has forgotten about the Final Fantasy V anime that gave it this name. There's also the fact that this Gilgamesh references Bartz, indicating some direct connection.
- Did the Creator end up destroying the other five Final Fantasy worlds? Not necessarily, but it's sort of implied. At the very least, those worlds were visited and those Crystals were left there and picked up again later on. That might explain why Crystals (outside of Magicite) don't appear in Final Fantasy VI, because they were collected before the game began. Of course, that doesn't explain Ultros and the rest, so also a possibility is because they were less important to the story than the Final Fantasy II Crystals. 184.108.40.206 15:37, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Hey Listen Edit
know what else isn't mentioned, Weight. What the heck is the Weight system for? --Brengarrett 15:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's for filling up the ATB Bar after the first action HyperKnux (talk) 06:41, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
- I am currently playing Final Fantasy V Advance and the weight system represents how quickly the ATB bars fill up if you are attacked from behind or in a normal battle. If it is a pre-emptive strike then it will affect the ATB bar after your first turn. InvalidMemory (talk) 04:00, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
Missing underwater location - "Cave of Statistics"? Edit
Maybe I didn't search well enough but it seems to me that the FFV category omits one underwater location (last world). I'm talking about the cave south of Karnak - if I remeber correctly - in which you can talk to someone who tells you some facts about your game:
- Number of battles/slaughtered enemies/saves
- Percentage of found treasures
- Possibly other things that I can't remember
If I am not mistaken, you mean the "psychic friend." He doesn't say how many times you've saved. He does also tell you your characters' average EXP and the number of times you've run from battle. I couldn't recall the name of his cave. Is it "Cave of Statistics?" Eric Ryan Jones 18:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, we're talking about the same thing. It is not really called "Cave of Statistics". I simply coined that term in order that people might easier recognize what place I mean. I can't recall the real name, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~.
We should find someone who is currently playing through V. They could tell us whether it has a name. If it doesn't, I am not sure whether an entire article should be created for it. Either way, we should probably have Psychic in the List of Final Fantasy V characters. Eric Ryan Jones 17:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm working on a playthrough, so I could see what I can find. Red Silvers 03:53, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
The psychics name is Mr.Clio. FaythOfFenrir 03:58, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
Atomos, Gilgamesh, Shinryu, and Omega... Trivia? Edit
Does anyone else find it odd that their appearance in Dawn of Souls is mentioned in the Gameplay section, but their similar appearance in The After Years is in the Trivia section? Doesn't seem consistent.
Also, why is the "V and VI are the only Nintendo generation to not have remakes" noteworthy? Red Silvers 03:41, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
Remake for PSN Edit
- Is there anything new? I've been playing through it and it's pretty much exactly the same as the Anthology version, save bug and all... Tursiops 23:20, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
Archetype under Lenna's description is being used inappropriately. An Archetype defines a standard of behavior and personality. For instance, Edward (FF4)'s archetype is not Bard, nor is it Prince. He would be a "Poet" archetype. He and Anna would be "Star-Crossed" archetypal relationship. Rosa, a "Wounded Healer." Rydia "The Child." Cid "The Scientist"
A closer wording would be "nobility archetype", as she retains her lineage (and the influence that imparts,) even when doing the things the only heir to a kingdom should not be doing. Like putting an animal hat on and screaming like an idiot as she charges haphazardly with an ax.
"I don't think I taught her that..." -King Tycoon. 18.104.22.168 04:45, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Exdeath and Cloud of darkness in the Void Edit
Hey everyone listen, if the Cloud of darkness is in the void or came from the void and when Exdeath finally became that giant evil tree thing in the void is it possible that they could have met each other at one pont in final fantasy V? I mean they could have maybe battled each other for dominance over the void and Exdeath didn't mention the battle Bartz and Co. Also, I think it might be possible that the Cloud of darkness can never really be defeated permanently but only temporarily since it is actually a part of the void. Another fact that she is able to exist in other final fantasy universes is, the fact that Gilgamesh is able to do it through the Interdimensional Rift A.K.A. The void.--Locke7 23:16, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- ... Has anyone ever called you Navi by any chance :P... But no, they didn't. FFIII's Void is apparently a "different" Void from FFV's. 22.214.171.124 15:17, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like fanfic to me. The void of FFIII and the void of FFV don't have to be connected, y'know. The Interdimensional Rift is likely an entirely different creature from the FFIII Void.126.96.36.199 08:16, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Although in Dissidia it says that the void goes across all over the final fantasy world, AND Dissidia also states that this is how Gilgamesh was able to travel throughout the series by using the void.--Locke7 22:30, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
DLC for FFV Edit
This game should have DLC including jobs weapons armor magic spells and monsters.188.8.131.52 18:23, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- No, not at all really. I haven't played the iOS version and I'm during the completion progress of FFV, but the game is good as it is, although they could expand the third world map though: it sometimes feels very empty.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 18:25, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- With all these iOS version resources, they should make a sequel to FFV. This game needs more love! Monterossa (talk) 19:42, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- The sequel was made a long time ago.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 19:54, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- With all these iOS version resources, they should make a sequel to FFV. This game needs more love! Monterossa (talk) 19:42, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
I have to ask, is there any chance we could ditch the iOS screenshots and go back to the GBA/SNES ones? I know the iOS screenshots are more recent and higher resolution, but... am I the only one who thinks they look cheep, tacky, and just downright awful? If I am I'll shut my mouth, but a lot of articles are spoiled for me by the presence of the ugly, soulless sprites used in that remake. Please tell me I'm not the only one that thinks so. (184.108.40.206 17:44, July 12, 2013 (UTC))
- Preferably we would have some pictures from all versions. Pics from most recent versions tend to dominate though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:52, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Edit conflict: I don't think we could remove the iOS screenshots, although I agree the tilesets and character spriting (male sprites are AWFUL!) is not good; not the same quality like Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection. Also, as a Wiki we can't deny the existence of the iOS port.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:55, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Neither your preference, or even the community's preference matters- since we use an unbiased policy to decide which images go where. Each type-generation is kept. So SNES(/PS), GBA, and iOS should all exist on-wiki, with iOS being placed within the article (and not galleries) where there is a suitable opening for an image. 220.127.116.11 18:07, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to suggest that they be thrown out entirely, just not used as the default as they are in many places. What is the unbiased policy? Use the most recent release of the game in articles? Why this and not the originals? 18.104.22.168 10:55, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
I have another question, do the screenshots from the iOS/DS remake of FFIV should be the top priority for FFIV articles? I think the PSP version is the real complete/perfect version of FFIV. Monterossa (talk) 11:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
- There is no official priority, it's down to editor preference really. The latest versions could be considered as the most complete and most like the devs want the game to be like. The reason it's the DS version they ported for iOS and not the PSP one is likely due to touch screen support. But I think they could both be considered to be 'the latest version' so ...Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:13, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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