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[edit] Copied from the 'pedia

I copied the bulk of the Wikipedia Final Fantasy article, only removing the dead links and images. It'll probably need to be heavily edited to fit in properly, but it's something to start with, at least. In keeping with GFDL requirements, here's the complete edit history: 

 m = minor edit
   * (cur) (last) 02:30, September 22, 2005 Sweetfreek (undeletable save slots?)
   * (cur) (last) 20:59, September 16, 2005 Tedius Zanarukando
   * (cur) (last) 12:54, September 13, 2005 205.204.242.21 (→Story)
   * (cur) (last) 07:45, September 12, 2005 62.78.239.198 (→Gameplay)
   * (cur) (last) 16:14, August 29, 2005 Warpedmirror (→Packaging artwork)
   * (cur) (last) 05:53, August 25, 2005 20040302 m (→Family Computer version to WonderSwan Color version)
   * (cur) (last) 01:42, August 24, 2005 GPHemsley m (→Family Computer version to MSX2 version - Disambiguate)
   * (cur) (last) 22:05, August 23, 2005 Seancdaug (rv linkspam)
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   * (cur) (last) 18:09, August 21, 2005 Zippedmartin m (Kill rating row.)
   * (cur) (last) 17:26, August 20, 2005 Hibana m (→Packaging artwork)
   * (cur) (last) 17:03, August 20, 2005 Hibana (→Packaging artwork)
   * (cur) (last) 11:24, August 13, 2005 Hibana (→Packaging artwork - Added EU Dawn of Souls)
   * (cur) (last) 23:04, August 8, 2005 Hibana m (→Story)
   * (cur) (last) 01:31, August 5, 2005 Tedius Zanarukando
   * (cur) (last) 16:41, July 27, 2005 Warpedmirror (added Wikibooks template)
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   * (cur) (last) 17:18, July 20, 2005 Y0u m (+es interwiki)
   * (cur) (last) 15:24, July 20, 2005 Zilog Jones
   * (cur) (last) 08:42, July 14, 2005 Y0u m (-ca for DoS release date (DoS has own page,) +ca for US origins release date)
   * (cur) (last) 15:06, July 11, 2005 Ignis33 (→Gameplay)
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   * (cur) (last) 08:59, July 6, 2005 Dbenbenn (→Family Computer version to MSX2 version - change screenshot to Image:FF1 battle MSX.png)
   * (cur) (last) 23:26, July 4, 2005 DarkEvil (added audio samples)
   * (cur) (last) 12:50, June 29, 2005 DarkEvil (Added Deutsch language)
   * (cur) (last) 12:26, June 28, 2005 70.49.202.81 (→Family Computer version to MSX2 version)
   * (cur) (last) 12:25, June 28, 2005 70.49.202.81 (→Gameplay)
   * (cur) (last) 23:15, June 27, 2005 Seancdaug (this new logo looks stretched, vertically. reverting to the original (and it *is* the same logo, not just "similar"))
   * (cur) (last) 17:07, June 26, 2005 70.49.201.72 (→Gameplay)
   * (cur) (last) 15:48, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil (→Family Computer version to MSX2 version)
   * (cur) (last) 13:32, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil (→Story)
   * (cur) (last) 13:31, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil (→WonderSwan Color version to Final Fantasy Origins)
   * (cur) (last) 13:19, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil
   * (cur) (last) 01:18, June 26, 2005 Seancdaug m (→Gameplay - better image alignment(?))
   * (cur) (last) 01:17, June 26, 2005 Seancdaug (→Gameplay - readding NES Lich battle image for comparision)
   * (cur) (last) 01:12, June 26, 2005 Seancdaug (the screenshots were attempting to show the variety of different platforms the game has appeared on, not just the NES version)
   * (cur) (last) 00:44, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil (→Gameplay)
   * (cur) (last) 00:43, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil (→Gameplay)
   * (cur) (last) 00:19, June 26, 2005 DarkEvil (→Story)
   * (cur) (last) 22:05, June 18, 2005 Seancdaug m (fixing alphabetization, pt. 2)
   * (cur) (last) 22:05, June 18, 2005 Seancdaug m (fixing alphabetization, pt. 1)
   * (cur) (last) 18:52, June 17, 2005 Seancdaug (categorization fix)
   * (cur) (last) 18:13, June 17, 2005 A Man In Black m (Split the somewhat bulky first paragraph)
   * (cur) (last) 18:07, June 17, 2005 CyberSkull (Category:Square games, Category:Square Enix games)
   * (cur) (last) 01:18, June 14, 2005 Seancdaug (abbreviation of "RPG"... by now we should all know the game :-/)
   * (cur) (last) 00:47, June 14, 2005 152.163.100.137
   * (cur) (last) 15:42, June 13, 2005 Seancdaug m (unnecessary abbreviation of "RPG"; please stop changing this w/o comment)
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   * (cur) (last) 00:46, June 12, 2005 Seancdaug (The notes were important (specific details vary depending on version, and this should be noted, and we should not assume that "RPG" is meaningful to the uninitiated))
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   * (cur) (last) 16:52, June 8, 2005 Seancdaug m (bolding Final Fantasy i and Final Fantasy EZ)
   * (cur) (last) 16:51, June 8, 2005 Seancdaug m (→Packaging artwork - minor edits)
   * (cur) (last) 13:49, June 8, 2005 Seancdaug (various tweaks; still struggling with best format for infobox)
   * (cur) (last) 14:26, June 7, 2005 80.197.70.178 (→Story)
   * (cur) (last) 14:17, June 6, 2005 Seancdaug (trying out new release date info format; adding/fixing a few links)
   * (cur) (last) 11:15, May 28, 2005 K1Bond007 (revert - See Wikipedia:WikiProject Arcade games)
   * (cur) (last) 09:04, May 28, 2005 Poiuytman (Added three optional arcade game lines to infobox.)
   * (cur) (last) 02:15, May 23, 2005 Seancdaug m (technically speaking, the title of the game is just "Final Fantasy")
   * (cur) (last) 18:49, May 16, 2005 Seancdaug m (new category)
   * (cur) (last) 22:18, May 14, 2005 Seancdaug (removing GBA category (DoS is already there, and it was never released seperately) and wikified some links)
   * (cur) (last) 21:37, May 14, 2005 Seancdaug m (→External links - added categories for original Japanese, MSX2, WSC, and cell phone versions -- leaving out compilation versions (Origins, Dawn of Souls, etc.); removing WonderSwan cat (it's dead))
   * (cur) (last) 21:24, May 11, 2005 152.163.100.131
   * (cur) (last) 08:57, April 27, 2005 Datrio m (interwiki pl:)
   * (cur) (last) 01:57, April 27, 2005 Seancdaug m (→Final Fantasy Origins to Final Fantasy 1 & 2: Dawn of Souls - awkwardness)
   * (cur) (last) 00:30, April 27, 2005 Thunderbrand (updated infobox)
   * (cur) (last) 21:51, April 15, 2005 Wmahan m (analagous->analogous)
   * (cur) (last) 09:30, April 9, 2005 TerokNor m (it's not "Microsoft MSX2", just "MSX2"; grammar)
   * (cur) (last) 09:27, April 9, 2005 TerokNor m (→Release dates - MSX2 (Japan))
   * (cur) (last) 23:40, April 1, 2005 69.79.70.207 (→Background information - -m)
   * (cur) (last) 18:03, March 24, 2005 205.188.117.69 (→Final Fantasy (WSC) to Final Fantasy Origins)
   * (cur) (last) 22:06, March 22, 2005 Uncle G (Fixed link)
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   * (cur) (last) 05:48, March 22, 2005 24.113.59.118 (→Final Fantasy Origins to Final Fantasy 1 & 2: Dawn of Souls)
   * (cur) (last) 20:52, March 20, 2005 69.242.105.87 (→Final Fantasy (Famicom) to Final Fantasy (WSC))
   * (cur) (last) 07:58, March 9, 2005 Nikai m (sp)
   * (cur) (last) 15:44, March 8, 2005 Lockeownzj00 (thumbnail wikifying)
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   * (cur) (last) 00:55, March 7, 2005 Neutrality m (Reverted edits by Wereon to last version by Everyking)
   * (cur) (last) 15:24, March 6, 2005 Wereon (quoting style)
   * (cur) (last) 16:22, March 5, 2005 Everyking m (→Final Fantasy (Famicom) to Final Fantasy (MSX2))
   * (cur) (last) 09:17, February 23, 2005 Regulus32 m (→Story - Consistancy between using orbs and crystals)
   * (cur) (last) 02:15, February 23, 2005 TheDotGamer m (→Final Fantasy Origins to Final Fantasy 1 & 2: Dawn of Souls - wikify)
   * (cur) (last) 05:38, February 20, 2005 65.25.246.159 (→Final Fantasy (Famicom) to Final Fantasy (NES))
   * (cur) (last) 17:46, February 8, 2005 68.198.175.91 (→External links)
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   * (cur) (last) 20:52, January 23, 2005 Flyingcheese (→Story)
   * (cur) (last) 22:25, January 12, 2005 Seancdaug m (→Release dates - Erm... no. FF1 was not released for the SNES)
   * (cur) (last) 20:10, January 12, 2005 68.57.88.111 (→Release dates)
   * (cur) (last) 01:27, January 12, 2005 Tedius Zanarukando (→Final Fantasy (WSC) to Final Fantasy Origins)
   * (cur) (last) 16:14, January 9, 2005 ZeWrestler (added template)
   * (cur) (last) 02:20, January 9, 2005 Seancdaug (edited infobox, added differences between versions, release dates, box art, and prod. credits. Trimmed story section for readability and length)
   * (cur) (last) 00:11, January 9, 2005 Jason One (italics; Playstation -> PlayStation)
   * (cur) (last) 18:08, December 22, 2004 Sannse m (Reverted edits by 24.93.19.250 to last version by 220.237.32.150)
   * (cur) (last) 17:13, December 22, 2004 24.93.19.250 (→External links)
   * (cur) (last) 08:36, December 17, 2004 220.237.32.150 (Added external link to 8 bit theater, which is inspired by FF1)
   * (cur) (last) 14:27, December 5, 2004 24.171.74.39 (Add info on Game Boy port, and remove bad jokes about floaters)
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   * (cur) (last) 18:49, October 17, 2004 Ht1848 m (Wonderswan > WonderSwan)
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   * (cur) (last) 10:11, October 5, 2004 Bumm13 m (added 1990 vidgames category)
   * (cur) (last) 15:48, September 23, 2004 Theresa knott (Whoops i didn't mean to do that last rollback)
   * (cur) (last) 15:44, September 23, 2004 Theresa knott m (Reverted edits by 64.53.72.156 to last version by Ht1848)
   * (cur) (last) 15:38, September 23, 2004 64.53.72.156 (→Story)
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   * (cur) (last) 17:06, August 25, 2004 Tedius Zanarukando
   * (cur) (last) 00:44, August 21, 2004 143.89.88.139 (Trinitrotoluene relink)
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   * (cur) (last) 01:05, August 1, 2002 Rlee0001 (fixed)
   * (cur) (last) 01:05, August 1, 2002 Rlee0001 (redirecting to correct article)
   * (cur) (last) 04:39, May 21, 2002 Psychofish

Whew! Long, innit? – Seancdaug 21:48, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New logo

I've replaced the picture of the old logo from FF Origins with the new one from the 20th Anniversary Edition. It looks awesome isn't it? Damn, I can't wait to see how the FFII's anniversary logo will look like! Cheers Izlude Tingel 22:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

As I said in the other talk page, I already uploaded that logo, along with the FFII one! Check here before uploading a logo image! Diablocon 12:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remake deserves what?

Zack fair 007 - "Let's mosey"
TALK - {{{time}}}
Final Fantasy tactics the war of the lions has its won page. Why not ff1 anniversary edition? Should i make one?


Henryacores - You don't need a reason to help people
TALK - 04:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The game is still called Final Fantasy on my cover, so no.


[edit] FFIV: The After does not say The Creator destroyed FFI's world

Please see the relevant translations and discussion on the matter at the FFV Article's talk page.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Final_Fantasy_V

The trivia is inaccurate and misleading.74.192.123.186 20:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes


[edit] Jobs Table

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 17 April 2009 (UTC)  -   "The people shouldn't fear the government, the government should fear the people":
I was thinking of making a table of the jobs classes of the game with his upgrade in the gameplay section but I'm don't know if I must do it or not because it will waste the description of each job.

[edit] Successful?

Following the successful North American localization of Dragon Quest

To my recollection, Dragon Warrior flopped so hard they were giving copies away with Nintendo Power subscriptions. It may have been vindicated by history (at least as the grandfather of Japanese RPGs), but I think the initial leap to the US didn't go so well.


[edit] Experience table + experience curve graph?

I think we should consider adding an experience table with an accompnying equation and graph to graphically show the experience curve.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.45.110 (talk)

Surely not to the main page? Could you be more specific? Eric Ryan Jones 23:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] wii

this is on vc. any hints as to when the european release date will be? Oni Dark Link 22:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Future Remakes

Teletroid (8:46 Central Time Zone)-- Who here thinks that a remake of this game for the DS (and DSi) would be a hit despite the work with the characters without real speaking parts? i Oni Dark Link 17:16, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Meh. Not really. VI will be a bigger hit. And possibly V. II and I, not really. I thought the PSP versions of the games were far more interesting. It just shows how good SE can make 2D FFs look.  ILHI (W/B) 19:29, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
Teletroid (4:18 Central Time Zone)-- Not convinced? Think about it. The giants will look more giant, the Krakken will look more like an octopus, and don't you wanna hear Garland's catchphase on the DS? Plus, choosing your team at the start of the game will look even better.

[edit] Did the Light Warriors ever have official names?

Outside of the random option in Dawn of Souls. Because the Final Fantasy III article mentions that the original Famicom heroes had official names prior to the DS version (they were in the manga adaptation), so that's why I'm wondering if the Light Warriors of this game ever had official names. 156.12.219.88 16:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I disagree with the main logo

At the top of the page we see the PSP logo of the game. I don't agree with the decision to have this version as the defining logo. This comes from Final Fantasy's 20th Anniversary. I mean, if the Final Fantasy IV page doesn't have that awesome DS logo with Golbez at the front of its page, then this game shouldn't have the latest logo either. Only question is, which logo should we go with? After all, this game didn't have a traditional logo. Well, I have to suggest the PSX logo. It's basically the Wonderswan logo at higher quality, plus it's the last remake that stood true to the original. Plus, it was just recently re-released for PlayStation Network in Japan, technically making it the latest version of the logo anyway. The PSP logo was only used for merely one version of this game; the PSX logo has stuck with us throughout the years way longer. 156.12.219.88 15:50, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

We use the most recent logos, as with all information. Drake Clawfang 15:57, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Right, but if that's true, what about the Final Fantasy IV - VI pages? According to that line of reasoning, we should have the mobile port logo for IV (which is different as it's the old SNES Kain one but with the DS version's funkier coloring), and the Advance logos of V & VI. And like I said, technically, since the PSX version was re-released, it IS the most recent logo. 156.12.219.88 16:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Except that FFV and VI have the same logos for their Advance releases, just with an "Advance" banner added. And if we have the logo for FFIV's mobile release, then yes we should consider using it. Drake Clawfang 16:29, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. I'd argue against using the mobile logo because it seems to be an enhanced version of the Advance port, whereas The After Years was designed with the DS version in mind (such as Golbez's new background information and altered character sprites looking closer to their DS counterparts outside of the flashbacks done in "16-bit vision"). There's also the fact that the DS version had the original director back and pretty much all of the other ports were made by unrelated teams and inserted bonus features just for the heck of it. But I digress, since this isn't about FFIV.
I still find it a little... presumptuous (I know that's not the right word I'm looking for, but whatever) to use the most newly-designed logos just for the sake of them being newly-designed logos. According to you, we should ditch the old and stick with the new all the way. These are timeless RPGs, but this isn't a timeless way to go about it. To you, the V & VI logos are exactly the same except for their Advance banners and wider line, but to me, the IV mobile logo is just the SNES on with inconsequential DS coloring. Is it really worth updating the page for?
... I think the best solution is to put the original (yes, ORIGINAL) logos to the front of the page and leave the remake/port logos in their designated sections like most other Wikis. After all, Dissidia recently used the NES Final Fantasy trilogy logos and the SNES Final Fantasy trilogy logos, as if Square is saying "Yes, we still recognize them as representing our games." 156.12.219.88 16:51, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
You forget that the original logos of some of the older games were in an entirely different style than the consistent style of logos (the game name in plain black text with a background image). Look at File:FFII NES Logo.jpg. You are suggesting we use this instead of the logo with the Emperor in magenta? It is relatively clear that for the main series and most spinoffs that the designers wished for a consistent logo; hence the remakes of I, II, and III all being in the same style.
The problems mainly occur with I, II, and IV. Are the PSP and DS images in the same style as the rest of the series? I would say yes; there is little difference between the PSX and PSP logo of II but for the quality the the Emperor's artwork. IV is definitely different, yes, but Square chose to put Golbez on the newest logo, which also happens to be in the same structure as the GBA logo but for the image change. Should we not also use that logo?
Er, wait. What is this mobile version? 8bit 16:59, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, there's a mobile port of Final Fantasy IV coming out in Japan on October 5th. All that's confirmed is that it'll have graphics done in the style closer to The After Years and there's a bonus dungeon. That's probably everything, and it sounds like an enhanced port of Advance (remember, TAY is built on the Final Fantasy IV Advance engine, as many sprites are identical and a look at the game code has leftovers of the exclusive Lunar Ruins equipment - that COULD be a basis for connectivity). Some people make rumors that it'll combine the best of the Advance and DS versions and use the coloring to base this on, but I highly doubt it since they were made by completely different teams and the original creators disowned the Advance edition. It's probably just for their little mobile market, just because of the success of The After Years.
But anyway, I didn't forget about the original logos being done in a differing style, but at least the first three logos were consistent. It wasn't until IV that they decided to change it and they ran with that formula instead. We shouldn't forget Final Fantasy history, and even as late as Dissidia Square didn't lose sight of their rich Final Fantasy mythos. You can't really apply the new logos if you're talking about the very original games. That's pulling a George Lucas. The original logos are pretty universal and, like I said, still work today. I don't mean get rid of the newer logos entirely, I meant just designate them to their sections and version differences. Still in the article as remake subjects. Also, remember that very little of the Final Fantasy I & II creators (if any) returned for their remakes, so you can't say "the designers" intended for those logos in their games (well, I'm unaware of the Wonderswan credits, but as far as I know the Wonderswan and PSX team were the same group, but that first remake team went uncredited in Dawn of Souls and I think PSP). 156.12.219.88 17:26, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Newest logos FTW. Your argument about erasing FF history holds no water since we precisely have an article on the history of the FF logos. The old logos are clearly displayed there and that's where they belong. Moguta 18:01, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
It's not about which ones we personally like better. It's that the logos were created far later on and apply only to their remakes, whereas the original logos are universal. As Dissidia shows, even with all the remakes, Square still remembers the original logos and has them represent the heroes and villains. I think we should follow that example. I mean, whenever a new Disney movie comes out, does Wikipedia always update the article is the latest North American DVD / Blu-Ray release? No, they stick with the original promotional posters because that coincided with its original release. It represents all forms of the same core story as a whole. You can use the original logo when you're talking about the original and subsequent releases, but it's hard to take it seriously when you're using one made a decade or two later when you're talking about the original game in its article and referencing remakes / ports if necessary.
That article is missing a few logos, by the way. 156.12.219.88 18:48, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
You are deeply mistaken. This is Wikia, not Wikipedia. Moguta 09:01, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
Fine. Do things your way. Just know that it loses a level of professionalism. 67.214.19.96 15:50, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Try not to pout. Just because it's not the way you would do it, doesn't mean our way is wrong. Drake Clawfang 15:51, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

what a comeback

I couldn't be bothered to read this entire argument. Except we always use the first logo at the top. This doesn't include the original logos for the first games that don't use the same style as what is common now (the original NES/SNES games used a different font, right?). I didn't just make up this rule now, it's what was always in place.  ILHI (W/B) 16:29, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Where was this stated? I was under the impression we used the most recent logos. Drake Clawfang 16:36, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, it was never really stated. It was just one of those things. We've always used the first consistent styled logos. But then people change them every now and again. I'll try and find something... ahh:
Not quite the greatest of support, but BH seems to have thought this rule existed on the wiki.  ILHI (W/B) 16:40, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

No logo is more legit than the other when you consider Japanese releases of the game. The reason is simply because the game originated from the Japanese Squaresoft / Square Enix. Sidetracking, I would not consider the NES & SNES logos as truly part of the original logos since they not only had the title changed for some, but look vastly different from the original of the same game. They could be considered for nostalgia though and have a thumbnail somewhere.
Therefore, this is my suggestion. Every Final Fantasy I logo that differs from the other substantially deserves to be displayed. Have every single different logo displayed, one on top of another, leaving a small gap in between each pair. A small description will be placed below each and every logo, describing which games or during which periods that particular logo was used. It's something like the main picture you would see for the Game Boy line on Wikipedia.
I think this will not only solve the problem of having to choose a logo over another, it also provides more information to the reader, especially if he is a new reader. I was a new reader and the legions of logos on this site pretty much confused me until I saw the original logos on the official Japanese Dissidia Final Fantasy website and went on to find out more about it. (HeartofSwordz 08:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Censorship issues

The article says "Nintendo of America policy prohibited games from featuring any overt Judeo-Christian imagery or reference to death. As such, some graphics were modified, so that, for instance, churches no longer featured crosses."

I clearly recall Castlevania having crosses throughout the game, was this Censorship issue written in error or was the policy changed after the release of Final Fantasy?

[edit] Missing Information for port versions of FFI & Proposed change to expandable link table

There are two changes I would like to propose.
Change number 1. For the "Release date" (top-most right) part of the page, some versions of FFI are missing, notably versions in which FFI was together with FFII on the same cartridge or CD. I think that those versions should be included but denoted with a (comp) to let people know that they were compilation re-releases.

The reason I feel that they need to be included is because of two reasons. Firstly, it's confusing when I scroll down to the "Development" section of the page to find that there is no Japanese Playstation FFI and only the US Playstation FF Origins. There wasn't any US Playstation FF stated at the "Release Date" box. I finally realized what was going on when I looked at the Packaging Artwork part of the page. The information needs to be properly synchronized to prevent confusion.

The second reason for the revamp of the "Release date" box, is due to the confusion it causes together with the expandable link box at the bottom. The "Compilations and collections" links at the bottom are in a mess in my opinion. I was mislead into thinking that "Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Series" (which was actually a compilation project not game) was a compilation game upon looking at that section because the previous few links were all to compilation games, eg I-II, Collection, Anthology, Chronicles.

And this brings me to my second proposed revamp. I'm a newbie so I don't know how to change or post discussions for the expandable link boxes, so I'm posting it here since it's related to what I mentioned above. Basically, it is to replace the current horizontal arrangement for the "main series" to an arrangement similar to that in the "Mobile" row of the "Computer sizes" expandable box located on the Wikipedia Handheld Console page.

Using the example on wikipedia, you can imagine what I have in mind by replacing "Mobile" with "Final Fantasy I", "Final Fantasy II", "Final Fantasy III", etc. Replace "PDAs / IAs" and "Calculators" with "Spin-Offs", "Compilation Games", "Compilation Projects", etc as and when applicable or required. Here's an image I made: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Eg_wikia_ff_expandable_table.JPG

(HeartofSwordz 10:40, October 26, 2009 (UTC))

[edit] A Not Entirely Serious, But Potentially Very Good, Idea

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain!
TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 22:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Tell you what, how about scrapping the entire Storyline section as it stands, because, you know, story in FF1 is nonexistent, and instead substitute the ongoing 8-bit Theatre storyine?
TenzaZangetsu 11,532 10 August 2009 (UTC)  -   "You have two choices: Live with me or die without me!":
No.
The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain!
TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 22:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Aww. Pretty please?
TenzaZangetsu 11,532 10 August 2009 (UTC)  -   "What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion":
No because we are not the Sardapedia Wiki, we are the Final Fantasy Wiki and because they are two different stories from two different concepts.
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Eric Ryan Jones, Master Epopt — 06:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It sounds like someone needs to help with the Sardapedia.
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