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Kuja did not shatter the crystal[]

The game explicitly states that if Kuja destroyed the Crystal, all existence would be destroyed and everyone would die. Unless you believe Kuja somehow rewound time, ressurected everyone including Zidane's party, and restored the crystal, there's no way the crystal was destroyed. The destruction of all the memories of existence would have a significant impact on the entire FFIX universe, wouldn't you think?74.192.123.186 21:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes

Don't ask me, ask the script writer and all the Square executives who let such an ridiculous and nonsensical ending go through to FFIX. Seems like this kind of thing would have worked better in FFVIII. --BlueHighwind 22:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well just go by what the original game and story shows, and it'll make sense, even though it seems rather random and nonsensical. I think Necron was a silly addition, but trying to bend the storyline to justify his presence is only going to raise more questions, than solve answers. Necron was just literally THERE. The FFIX Ultimania doesn't link him up to anything. He's just a death god who decided at that moment in time to jump the party. Necron would have no use to declair he intends to destroy all of existence if existence was already destroyed with the destruction of the crystal.74.192.123.186 23:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes

Indeed. I'm guessing some fans assume that by destroying the crystal, Necron is summoned, who will then erase all existance. Really though, he's just there to provide a final boss challenge, he was pretty much only a gameplay addition, not a story one. :/ Diablocon 23:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT: Perhaps when Kuja destroyed the Crystal, it unleashed that Necron guy who wanted to destroyed the universe. Or maybe it was a metaphysical thing, like Necron was a manifestation of the destruction of the universe which the party defeated with raw power. Or I might have it all wrong, since I think I always just assumed the Crystal was destroyed. Can't really blame me for thinking so since that "Ultima" attack seemed to wipe out the entire area. Or maybe none of it matters it in the end, and Square just wanted another boss. In which case would it have been so hard for Kuja to have simply sprouted wings instead of all this crap? --BlueHighwind 23:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, that's not what Garland or anyone else says. Nor does Necron. Necron doesn't say he was released from the crystal or was a consequence of its destruction. He says he was watching the events unfold and finally decided to move and destory existence because Kuja proved his theory right. That's not indicative of an entity that was released from the shattering of the crystal. And I reiterate that we do not see the crystal shatter at all. Nor doe we see Ultima even go near it. The blast is localized to the area where the heroes were standing, and Kuja is flung back towards it. If you screen cap and look carefully, you'll still see the crystal in tact behind him with the screen turns white. Heck, Kuja even remarks that he's only going to take the heroes along with him in death. Plus, with the summation of all of existence's memories and spirit energy destroyed, wouldn't there be universal consequence of such action, given the nature of crystals? If a planet's crystal is destroyed or weakened, the entire planet dies. If the universe's crystal, which functions the same as a planet's is destroyed, there would be huge ramifications.

You really just hit the nail right on the head. Square wanted another boss and put Necron in. Period.74.192.123.186 23:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes

If you look at this video, there is a circle rotating around the Gaia's crystal. This circle is Necron or at least part of him (he is a Terran machine to divide the soul streams - the red and blue "beams" in the video). Despite some confusing dialogue, Kuja is planning to destroy the planet Gaia's crystal, not the universe's crystal. (The whole memory of the Planet/Crystal sequence muddled the issue.) --Galba 20:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, unless there's some substantive proof put forth of the crystal's destruction, there's no point or basis for saying that the crystal was destroyed. The part of the crystal being shattered should be deleted.~Makoeyes

Kuja's whole plan was to destroy the Crystal. But then, after he defeats the party, he doesn't. Why? This is fucked beyond belief, okay? There has got to be a translation error, or something else here. It cannot be this. This doesn't make any sense. Ramdom shit coming out of the walls, Kuja killing people then having them come back to life, or trying to kill them but failing for some reason because got teleported to another demension. This is shit! Who ordered this? --BlueHighwind 13:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Makoeyes is correct: if you look in the background after Trance Kuja uses Ultima and then falls backwards through that ring, the Crystal is still there – you can see it in the top corner of the screen. Ergo, it wasn't destroyed. Problem solved. Now we just need to work out why on Gaia the party ends up on the Hill of Despair afterwards... -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


*MASSIVE bump* Here's a thought: As far as we can tell, Memoria was "opened" by Kuja, right? So perhaps he was, in some sense, "sustaining" it – it wasn't a physical "place" until he made it so. After he is defeated, he can no longer keep it there. Since the party cannot therefore remain in the Crystal World, which is accessible only via Memoria and therefore also no longer remains as a physical "place", they end up instead in some sort of metaphysical non-place. Necron's line about "You stand before the final dimension" (or whatever it is; it's something like that, anyway) kinda fits in with this. I know this is hardly a satisfactory explanation, but it could be the beginning of one. Thoughts? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 18:59, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

It is quite unknown how Memoria appears. It should be the crystal's memories, right, (at the planet core, Iifa Tree reaches all the way to the centre of the planet, so being above Iifa Tree makes sense). And how is Garland there anyway? I think the crystal was the actual "centre of the universe" crystal and not the planet's own crystal, like some post above suggested, because if it was Gaia's crystal Kuja would just have to go down the Iifa Tree to where the SoulCage was. Instead, he must go to the beginning of time or something, and Gaia's crystal "remembers" its origins from the "mother crystal" (maybe?) so...Kuja can...go through Memoria to reach Crystal World...somehow? There's a definite point where Memoria ends and there is just infinite blackness, which leads to the Crystal World. Garland doesn't appear to be able to follow the party past Memoria.
Maybe when Terra collapses and Iifa Tree vomits all of Terra's "lifestream" out as mist, Kuja can somehow use the energy in the air to manifest Memoria. Memories are supposed to be contained in the "lifestream" that flows inside the planet's crystal but this time memories just become like a place above Iifa Tree, which, if Terra was destroyed, could make sense if it was Terra's Memoria, since Terra was expelled out of Iifa Tree, but it's Gaian memories you see there, not Terran ones. ?_?
If Kuja is holding Memoria up with pure power of thought, shouldn't we see only Kuja's memories? Or how does this work? Also, why doesn't Kuja appear on the Hill of Despair? Where does he go?Keltainentoukokuu 23:53, August 25, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
Good stuff :D As I said, my idea is quite a good beginning for other theories. I've kicked off a pretty damn interesting discussion point here, haven't I? :P Just because (in theory) Kuja is sustaining it doesn't necessarily mean it would be his memories. The four Chaoses, for example, are created from the Crystal's memory, not his own, so.. I dunno, I need an analogy... Um, the bricks and mortar of Memoria are the Gaian/Terran/Crystal's/whatever memories, but the foundations are shored up by Kuja. The structure of a building is, in a sense, independent of the foundations; the foundations are just there to hold it up. Think of the Leaning Tower of Pisa – it leans because its foundations are soft, but the tower itself is more or less intact. Of course, if the tower's foundations vanish (read: if Kuja is defeated), then the tower will collapse. As for why Kuja just ends up among the roots of the Tree rather than on the Hill of Despair, I wondered about that myself when writing my earlier post. I still don't have a answer, other than the deeply unsatisfying "because his situation is in some way different to the party's", which is blatantly just pure handwavery -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 00:15, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
Ohhh yeah that makes sense. Kuja kinda like...creates a place where the memories can manifest so he can use it go to the beginning of all the memories. The "final dimension" Necron mentions might be the zero world, you think? The idea that it'd be some kind of "gates of death" doesn't work so well since when you die, your soul is supposed to return to the planet's crystal, not go to the zero world. What we see is that Kuja is defeated, casts Ultima, party is defeated, everything goes black, you wake up on the hill of despair and Crystal World has vanished. The party can't stay in the crystal world without Kuja (without Kuja being in Trace and thus powerful enough to hold it?) --> they are in fact "nowhere" --> they end up on the "gate" of the zero world(your theory?)? Kuja is able to teleport them out of there though so maybe he is "around" somewhere somehow, we just don't see him?Keltainentoukokuu 00:44, August 26, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
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