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Contents 1 abilities 2 ??? 3 Plot Warning Weirdness 4 Hero Sources 5 editing the discussion page 6 Last Order was retconed by Crisis Core 7 Cloud's Birthday 8 Rewrite 9 Contradiction 10 Quotes 11 About the stab 12 Cloud in F.F. VIII 13 First Tsurugi/Ken - Fusion sword? 14 Odd hypothesis 15 Cloud Being Playable 16 Is Cloud Famous? 17 Updating Article 18 Cloud's Birthday 19 Trivia Section 20 FFT Section 21 Age anomaly? 22 Date of Birth 23 Cloud's Description 24 Omnislash Changes 25 Advent Children and History 26 Cloud's Appearance 27 Cloud's Limit Break

[edit] abilities

sorry to bother all of you but I think there should be a section called "abilities" and that is were limit breaks should be filed under WITH materia. At the start of ffvii cloud starts of with thunder 1 and ice 1 (renamed blizzard in later games). That is the only reasone why I recomend the abilities section, if the editers figure adding materia is pointless then I guess it's cool if you don't bother with the abilites thing.

sincerly luis

No, it's because everyone can equip most materia. PX173 11:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit]  ???

Uh... Why is this on talk?-FrozenFlame

Because cloud is awesome

uh--97.116.75.181 16:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the post above me

[edit] Plot Warning Weirdness

When the plot spoiler warning is wedged between two other divisions (on this page, the picture and the character information divisions), it will "merge" into the one on the right, causing problems. It only happens in Firefox (don't have Opera installed right now, but I'm assuming it would happen in it, as well). In IE, it moves down below the picture, leaving a larg portion of blank space.

Here's a screenshot I made of this page while viewing it in Firefox.

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I'm not exactly sure how this would be resolved, but I just thought I would point it out. Perhaps the picture on the left should be moved to another section.

The problem varies from browser to browser. I have trouble on some computers, too. I'll move the screenshot for our IE users (I have Firefox and it shows fine for me). Crazyswordsman 04:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's weird, because that screenshot was taken using Firefox. But since it's fixed, I guess it doesn't matter. Though, I've noticed this on other pages with similar layouts. (For example, the Edge page. [This has been fixed, though.]) B 006 20:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hero Sources

Hero reference in the article comes from Cloud's profile in the Kingdom Hearts II Strategy Guide

KH2 is not canon. --Crazyswordsman 20:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

True, but it is also written about Cloud on the Advent Children DVD case summarizing the movie.

That's the movie, not the game.--Goldberry2000 21:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] editing the discussion page

any1 think we should delete some of the "un-needed" stuff on the discussion page. Seriously, if you dont agree, simply read above.... wait, does any1 care? --Maverick King 00:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, kill it with fire!! Blue。 00:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea!!!! some1 did it! i would do it but usually when i do stuff like that ppl get mad at me(*cough* Zalera *cough*) so i figured it would be better to make sure it needed to be deleted...--Maverick King 19:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a sinking feeling that's a different thing altogether? Blue。 19:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

true.... perhaps i should just shut up? --Maverick King 23:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last Order was retconed by Crisis Core

Well Crisis Core is being played, and it's been confirmed by players and myself, to have Last Order completely retconed.

Sephiroth is tossed into the Mako pit by Cloud just like in the original FFVII, the Compilation no longer has changed that vital aspect ofFFVII. Tifa doesn't wake up to have that touching reunion with Cloud either.

I for one think it's pretty awesome and figured you editors should know ^^.66.76.60.163 19:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Makoeyes987

Last Order was a bonus feature of the Advent Children DVD; it was never released separately and was almost never advertised; its initials don't follow the AC-BC-CC-DC pattern of the other titles; heck it wasn't even made by Square Enix (it was commisioned to Madhouse Studio). Last Order was never an "actual" part of Compilation of FFVII, it was just a bonus feature. Izlude Tingel 08:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

In an unrelated news, rumors are popping out that a remake of FFVII is under way for the PSP....jeux-france.com Blue。 08:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 14:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC) That's good, a PSP remake I can handle. Basically all they have to do is take Crisis Core and rework it a tiny bit, so it won't involve as much man-power as a PS3 remake for example. Also, it means a possible PSP release of IX. :)

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? Last Order was released in Japan by itself years before Advent Children. And it was commissioned and viewed by Square before it was released.

[edit] Cloud's Birthday

This is just pure speculation, but could the birthday in the instruction booklet to Final Fantasy VII be wrong? Could this be Zack's birthday? Zack seems more like a Leo than Cloud does anyway (being charismatic for one thing). Remember Cloud assumed parts of Zack's personality due to his Jenova cells and this could be the only logical redaction of the conflicting birthdates.

Muchomas35 - Asks you to Treat with him TALK - For shits and giggles OMG!! me and cloud share a birthday!! wierd

You mention the instruction booklet, but his birthday is on August 19th in the booklet! Correct, if wrong... but then why does August 11th show up everywhere else...? [For example, bio on Advent Children website.]

Cloud's problem is false memories of being in soldier. He still has memories of his past before ShinRa. AJ Werefang 02:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} Now that you guys mention it, on Final Fantasy Tactics he appears as an special character and his Zodiac sign imply to be Aquarius and not Leo or Capricorn. it is weird, maybe the booklet is wrong, or maybe on FFT they made an mistake on his Zodiac sign. And the most weird about the affair is... Leo has worst compatibility with Aquarius if it is the same gender(on Cloud's case Man) and Best compatibility with Leo opposite Gender (on cloud's case woman).

[edit] Rewrite

DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? This page looks like it could use a little bit of work in the story section. I'll do it, but it'll take a few days, any objections?

Conorstev - Dark Choco knows where the goods are... TALK - {{{time}}} Of course not! Anything that could possibly improve the godlyness of Cloud is greatly appreciated!

Guy, that message is over a year and a half old. Besides, Cloud ain't godly. Drake Clawfang 17:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

In the first paragraph of his background, it states that he believes himself to be too good for the other children. Then it claims that he thinks he isn't good enough for Tifa. I'm pretty sure there's some kind of contradiction going on here, even with the traumatic event at the reactor - people don't just 180 like that. Chocotard 21:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: He's a complex guy. Cloud's arrogance is simply a front. A defense mechanism based upon feelings of worthlessness and low self-esteme. So while he thinks himself above it all, he paradoxically believes himself to be below it all. Cloud hates himself, so he wants pretends to love himself. Awesome, huh?

You said it - he feels worthless and has low self-esteem. So why would he consider himself to be "better" than the other children? I mean, there's complex, and then there's split personalities. Chocotard 22:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

ChiefKakashi Talk - Contribs - Random - {{{time}}} You can feel the waves coming on, let them destroy you or carry you on. That's like how a real person would do that. I like Cloud more and more...

He probably had an inferiority complex. Mergal 13:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Cluna 06 - "Got any complaints?" TALK - 05:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC) It's weird, but Cloud and I share similar childhood experiences. Both of us were outcasts and want to have friends more than anything (although mine was probably because of my high autism. TMI, I know!). I ended up watching Advent Children a few times just because of Cloud, who looks hot with a bike and six-piece sword, not to mention soap star Steve Burton's voice!

I have always thought it was that Cloud felt he was better than Tifa's friends, why would she hang out with such silly people, but he felts inferior to Tifa herself. He is really complicated but that was the way I always looked at it. Dhoonib 04:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Both Cloud and Tifa lost a parent. Cloud lost his father first and was picked on for it. Tifa lost her mother later and Cloud realized they had something in common. AJ Werefang 03:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

NuRaLuLu - Boy Oh Boy...The Price Of Freedom Is Steep TALK - TO ME! Can there be a section with all of Cloud's famous/or not...Quotes =}

Done :)Kaospyri 06:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] About the stab

AzureDrake TALK - What the Christ {{{time}}} Eh I only really saw the movie fully once. I thought it was the chest. Kinda hard to distinguish where exactly it hit when I wasn't really paying attention. But shoulder sounds a lot better than arm so yeah.

RedVII - "Just as his name implies, he is an animal with fire-red fur. But under his fierce exterior is an intelligence surpassing that of any human's..." TALK - 5:29 Actually he did get stabbed on the chest but it healed. The arm was filled with Geostigma. I may be wrong though.

[edit] Cloud in F.F. VIII

Nubecielo - Check my FF Stuff TALK - 21:02, 21 December 2008 (UTC) In the FFVIII Spanish, there is Shop at Esthar that is called "Tienda de Cloud de ultra-pociones" (Cloud's Hi-potion Shop). I don't know if this is only in the spanish translation of game. Is also in the US Release?

Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 21:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's in the English translation. Can't remember the exact name of the shop though.

20:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC) —W/B Cloud's Shop.

[edit] First Tsurugi/Ken - Fusion sword?

I know that the swords seem to have no official name, but the Kingdom Hearts wiki insist on simply callin' it the Fusion sword instead of the more universal term, First Tsurugi/Ken. I dunno, but I think it seems sorta stupid to just call it just 'fusion sword' instead of its universal term even though refers to the main blade. Still...Kaihedgie 20:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Why make the First Ken anyway? why not keep the Buster sword(i know i know he was using it for zack's grave) But if it's so lengendary and powerful that Angeal would rather die than use it in combat! And in FFVII why is it out matched so quickly?

"Use bring about wear, tear, and rust. So I only use the blunt side." He is trying to presserve it. Also, it is actually useful until you leave midgar or steal Hard Edge from SOLDIER 3rd in Shinra building. This is actually longer than any other character's weapon. AJ Werefang 02:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

But in the movie, the poor old Buster Sword has plenty of rust and maybe even some wear and tear!! *Faints* I think it's kinda suck-ish that Cloud left that sword there, I quote Zack "My honor, my dreams, they're yours now" (that's nearly right) and he said this whilst giving cloud the Buster sword so he kinda just left Zacks honor and dreams where he died... Angeal Hewley 00:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Odd hypothesis

Werefang - "The weaker they are, the louder they bark." TALK - 00:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)- Abyss does anyone think it is possible that Cloud is an ancient(or at least that SquareEnix intends to make him one. I mean how would he be able to talk to Aerith and Zack when they are dead. And that he has beaten Sephiroth, the so called greatest SOLDIER in history, 3 times without physical modification himself.

It's impossible, really. The Ancients were only able to seal Jenova away. Cloud and his party however, managed to kill Sephiroth, who was fused with Jenova in his ultimate form, without the help of the Ancients aiding them in the battle. If anything, it's Cloud's emotional attachment to both Zack and Aeris. Kaihedgie 01:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 09:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC) He has been modified - he underwent Mako Radiation Therapy and was infected with JENOVA cells by Hojo (ie, the Instant Super-Soldier Creation Kit. Plus, he got all the stuff about technique from Zack's memories. Though this doesn't explain how he was able to beat Sephiroth at Nibelheim.

[edit] Cloud Being Playable

Cloud Strife Hasn't been a playable character in any of the new games i hate to have to use bad graphics to play cloud. Basically make a new game with cloud in it im tired of playing characters that i've never heard of before i want to see Cid, Cloud, Barret, Yuffie, There's only one person that's playable that i recognize and that's Vincent! I wanna see them all together again in a game it's been what, 11 years?!

[edit] Is Cloud Famous?

I've heard about him my friends have heard about him everyone who knows what final fantasy is knows who Cloud is..So yes i'd think he's one of the most famous characters of Final Fantasy but then why is he only the main character once?

Rikloud - I'm the one who should be apologising TALK - Wher can I buy a phone {{{time}}} Too true FF7 was my first FF experience and I've been hooked ever since (though he is not my favorite character he was until I met Red/Nanaki and then he was my favorite until I met Vincent hes awesome)

There has only been one opportunity for Cloud to be the hero because AC is a movie, DoC is a shooter, and BC and CC are set before he was a hero. Don't worry though, VII is so popular that only an ignorant baffoon would stop making them. AJ Werefang 19:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Updating Article

Don't You think its time to update clouds picture (if it's possible) i would do it myself but im really new to editing wiki'sKaospyri 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC) 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Update which picture how? If you mean the infobox, all the FF7 player character infoboxes use Nomura's art so no. Also, sign your posts on talk pages with 4 tildes please. --SCM 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cloud's Birthday

The article says it's August 19, 1986. Where does "1986" come from? It isn't on the official profile, and numbered years are never mentioned in the game. I'm taking it down. ChiefKakashi 20:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Ultimania. Back. Drake Clawfang 20:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Um...What? Please explain. :S ChiefKakashi 20:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

http://www.ff7citadel.com/gameinfo/enc_timeline.shtml. This timeline is accurate, SE just moved all the dates ahead ten years from what's shown here for reasons only they know. Drake Clawfang 20:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Huh? But why is there a year? Does the Planet happen to follow the same chronological time measurement as ours...it sounds bizzare... Chocolancer^CL-528 20:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Errm? No it doesn't. They started counting years (the length of time for the planet to go through once cycle) up from a point in time.  ILHI ^(W/B) 18:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[1] There's proof that's he's born on Aug. 19, 1986 (Fun fact, I was born on Aug. 20., just sayibg).Xepscern Highwind

I don't even pay attention, I just rollback it. To me this birthday shit is just vandalism anymore. Drake Clawfang 03:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

HarpieSiren - "There's not a thing I don't cherish!" TALK - {{{time}}} - It's not heavy. It's... a memento ... Is it me, or is the trivia section getting out of hand? A lot of the so called trivia might be better off in the Final Fantasy in popular culture article, if whoever put that there just can't bear to part with the information. Personally, I think it's kinda pointless

[edit] FFT Section

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "If you don’t know, then I will show you. This is the true form of despair.": I think we should create a sub-page for this, like his Dissidia sub-page, that way we can explain the sidequest better and Cloud even has a different date of birth and abilities, what you guys think?

BlueHighwind Q? 18:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: No.

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts...": Why?

BlueHighwind Q? 18:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Because that's exactly what I DIDN'T want to happen when we started cutting up characters into subpages. I figure its a pointless waste and a bad precedent. Soon every damn cameo in the series will wind up being "Gilgamesh/Final Fantasy IX" or something. No, I don't like it at all.

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "If you need someone else to fulfill your dreams, it loses it's value, wouldn't you agree?": Well, you do have a point there.

To an extent, Cloud already has a page for FFT - Soldier (Final Fantasy Tactics). Drake Clawfang 18:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion": I know about the job section but what I wanted was a page to explain his role in the story and the requisites to recruit him.

BlueHighwind Q? 18:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Well, Cloud really doesn't have a role in the story. And if we didn't explain the requisites to recruit him on this page yet, then I have some editing to do.

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "You have two choices: Live with me or die without me!": I know he doesn't have a role, I meant the story Square gave him and the explanation to recruit him is really poor in my opinion but if you're not going to let me create the page, I will at least edit the section.

BlueHighwind Q? 18:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC) TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: Why in the world are you asking for permission to edit a section you feel is poorly written?

TenzaZangetsu 11,532 20 June 2009 (UTC)  -   "Common people are nothing but pieces, that I can control at will": What I wanted was to create the sub-page and I know that people will complaint if I don't mention it before I create it, I will not ask permission just to edit a section, I was just letting you know, do I need to explain everything to you?.

[edit] Age anomaly?

Umm... It says that Crisis Core takes place seven years before FFVII. But why has Cloud aged only 5 years? What, does he have one birthday per year and a half? PX173 11:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

According to FFVII's truly messed-up timeline, Crisis Core actually begins in the year 2000, but the entire Nibelheim business happens in like 2002. The game never bothers to tell you this, and really it feels like only a couple of months. For example, this means that despite the fact that Zack and Aeris were supposed to be dating seriously, they only went on two dates in two years. This shit is bananas. --BlueHighwind ツ 12:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

They might have gone on more dates off-screen. Who knows. - Sencilia

RedVII - "Just as his name implies, he is an animal with fire-red fur. But under his fierce exterior is an intelligence surpassing that of any human's..." TALK - 5:29 They did . It shows in the DMW videos on the game.

[edit] Date of Birth

Bluetash TALK - {{{time}}} According to the most recent official source, http://na.square-enix.com/ff7psn/ , Cloud was born on August 19. Should we update the article?

[edit] Cloud's Description

"Originally a member of SOLDIER, he is now a mercenary who will take any job..." Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Cloud never made it into SOLDIER, something about him not being mentally capable of handling the procedure, shouldn't it say something like.. "Originally a member of the Shin-Ra Guard, he is now a mercenary who will take any job" ?Rosa Joanna Farrell 00:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

RedVII - "Just as his name implies, he is an animal with fire-red fur. But under his fierce exterior is an intelligence surpassing that of any human's..." TALK - 6:02 read the last couple of paragraphs of before Crises/Crises Core On his Page

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 10:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC) Essentially, you are correct, but the player is not meant to know this until late in the game. Its generally considered a Bad Idea to put major spoilers in the game manual.

RedVII - "Just as his name implies, he is an animal with fire-red fur. But under his fierce exterior is an intelligence surpassing that of any human's..." TALK - 5:29 It could be someone who already beat a section but didnt get the story, so they look it up.

[edit] Omnislash Changes

I made a quick change to Cloud's limit breaks from Advent Children (once again, just ignored), because we are not sure that the attack he uses in ACC is in fact the original Omnislash, without being stated by Square, we can only make an assumption.Derekoe 17:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

No, we can also make deductions. Cloud glows blue when he uses it, as he does when using all his Limit Breaks - he never glows at any other time. The attack consists of fourteen rapid slash attacks, finishing with an overhead two-handed slash. Sounds like Omnislash to me. As with, say, Kefka's influences from the Divine Comedy, it's a matter of deductive reasoning. Drake Clawfang 17:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Really, because he didn't glow blue when he used Blade Beam, and he didn't glow blue when he used that same overhead slash (Which could be "deduced" as Braver) that sent out three blades of energy during earlier in the Sephiroth fight.Derekoe 17:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

He didn't glow blue when using Blade Beam, but the sword does, and the sword glows during several Limit Breaks. As for "Braver", he doesn't use it during the Sephiroth fight, it's similar to Braver but it isn't. Simple. Drake Clawfang 17:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"It's similar to Braver, but it isn't?" Sounds like that deduced Omnislash you were just talking about. It LOOKS like Omnislash, but it isn't, by your reasoning.Derekoe 17:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 17:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC) The difference being that Cloud glowed blue when performing the other Limit Breaks, but not that one.

EDIT CONFLICT - TMINBC said it well, but I'll say it anyway. No, it isn't Braver. It's similar to Braver in that it's an overhead slash, but there's no blue aura. Omnislash, on the other hand, both looks like Omnislash and has the blue aura signaling it is a Limit Break. It's a simple thing to understand, Blue Aura = Limit Break. Drake Clawfang 17:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but how can we say that the blue glow even means it's a Limit Break? The blade only glows blue during Blade Beam, but that could really just be because of the energy gathering to be sent out. And then let's not forget, Barret would appear to be using Big Shot or Mind Blow, and Tifa seems to use most of her Limit Breaks against her fight with Loz without the use of the blue glow. There's also the fact that Limit Breaks aren't accompanied by a blue glow, but an orange burst before there useDerekoe 17:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

How can we say it's a Limit Break? Uh, because it happens whenever Cloud does a Limit Break! Again, deductive reason, not hard to figure out. For Barret, he does use one of those, that's noted on his page. Tifa, I frankly never thought she used her Limit Breaks, because as you said, no blue aura, but I believe official materials confirm them. And the color of the aura - now you're just splitting hairs. Drake Clawfang 17:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, maybe I am splitting hairs, but suddenly you agree that people were using their Limit Breaks without the use of this blue aura, but somehow still say that the use of it means it's a Limit. What about Cloud's rush up to Bahamut SIN high above Edge, he's engulfed in a blue aura, but I don't remember that Limit BreakDerekoe 17:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 17:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC) I believe that was Climhazzard.

Excuse me? No, I don't agree they use it without a blue aura, not sure where you got that from. And yes, that was Climhazzard he used. Drake Clawfang 17:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That's odd, because Climhazzard is a stab, and then a jump up out of the enemy, not a rush into the air Derekoe 17:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

....that's what he does. He stabs Bahamut, runs along his length and leaps off. Drake Clawfang 17:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I can sort of agree to that, but it still looks different. The problem is, people were stating the blue aura=Limit Break, when several characters clearly use their Limit's sans that aura, so it seems odd to state that the aura is the clear definition of using a Limit Break when other characters aren't seen with them. Derekoe 18:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"several characters clearly use their Limit's sans that aura". Who? I count Tifa, and have edited her page to note that those may not be true Limit Breaks. Barret, his gun is shown to crackle with green energy when using his apparent Limit Break, same basic idea. Drake Clawfang 18:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

With Barret, it seemed to be more mechanical in nature, since the middle portion of his gunarm is fashioned like a rail gun (which use electromagnetic energy). Tifa, on the other hand uses her beat rush, somersault, and others without the aura. So just because there is no aura when they do an action that is clearly their Limit Break, it doesn't count as one?

I'm too bored to repeat myself for Tifa, just re-read my last comment. Drake Clawfang 18:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh god, whatever. If people aren't actually going to try and understand what I'm trying to say, then forget it. It's the internet anyway, and people will always pass off their opinions as fact Derekoe 18:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It helps when they support their claims with viable evidence, which you have yet to disprove. So yes, if you can't counter or disprove our arguments, then drop it. Drake Clawfang 18:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it reasonable to say that Cloud glows blue during his limit's because he's infused with mako whereas tifa and barret are not? Cloud is the only character that has a soldiers build in the movie, so he is the only one to glow blue durring limits, fair enough? hence blade beam, climhazzard and omni slash were used but that doesn't mean that every overhead slash cloud ever uses always has to be braver, unless he glows blue before he does it... 74.166.76.13 20:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 21:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC) While your logic, in and of itself, is without flaw, your suggestion, in its entirety, strikes me as pure conjecture. Allow me to clarify - I'm not saying that its absolute shit - its an interesting idea actually - but what I am saying is that it is impossible to prove or disprove, being nothing more than a theory, and that there could be any number of perfectly-good alternate reasons to explain that very thing. Possibly deserves a mention though...

oh I wasn't suggesting to put that theory into the article, theres no source no official confirmation etc etc... I was just trying to finish the argument where derekoe was saying that the blue aura doesn't prove anything because tifa didn't glow blue durring her limits... sorry for the misunderstanding 68.19.87.177 01:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The Man In The Black Cape - The World Needs a New Villain! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 16:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC) That's alright. That argument was over anyway. Derekoe buggered off and Drake Clawfang had the last word.

[edit] Advent Children and History

Can someone tell me if Cloud adopted Zack's personality? Anbd where can I watch AC?--78.147.25.2 16:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Question one: Yes. Question two: You can go buy it... Don't ask here... --Cloudintheskies 16:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Why shouldn't I ask here?--89.243.95.29 16:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

RedVII - "Just as his name implies, he is an animal with fire-red fur. But under his fierce exterior is an intelligence surpassing that of any human's..." TALK - 5:29 Question 1: Yes Question 2: Rent it at a video store or buy it.

[edit] Cloud's Appearance

At the beginning of that paragraph, it said "Cloud is of short height". Do you guys really think so? Cloud is 173 cm (5'8"). That's 1 cm taller than me. I'm 16 and 172 cm (almost 5'8"). It said Cloud's 5'7" in the book, but that's a misprint. 173 cm is not 5'7", but 5.7 ft. I think that's what they meant?

It's not short but not very tall either, I'm 16 as well and 182 cm. -- Kyrel 19:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'm beyond caring about heights at this point, too many people care too much about too little, and there's not enough caring left for me. So I don't care. Seriously, too many people are nitpicking over Cloud's height. It's so stupid. Drake Clawfang 19:34, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

People change his CM height to something that isn't used in the manual, the feet and inches stay the same unless changed... and then they get changed to match the latest, wrong CM height. It's annoying and stuff.

I'm six-foot, possibly taller... and my brother's 5'7" and we consider him short. Maybe that's just because he was really tall and then stopped growing at thirteen. But he is actually short. 5'10" is probably average. But then, I don't know, because I'm tall. I don't want to be tall. And yet I do at the same time. But that has nothing to do with this conversation.

My manual uses CMs. So I assume the feet and inches are just fan-conversions, right?  ILHI ^(W/B) 21:11, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - {{{time}}} I am 6'2 an inch taller than Sephiroth, but what is your point, people thinks i am stupid because i am tall, they think i don't have brain and i am much intellectual than them. What i mean is, it's not the physical body you have is the spirit what makes you strong and intelligent.

[edit] Cloud's Limit Break

Of all Cloud's limit break which do you think better? if me I choose Finishing touch,Omnislash V5,&Omnislash

By "you", who exactly are you referring to? Me? ILHI? The reader? ...ChanServ? 終わりの始まり 01:58, October 30, 2009 (UTC)