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There's two issues to consider. First, yes, some Dissidia characters, like Onion Knight and Warrior of Light, aren't directly based on an actual character, and Chaos is perhaps a separate entity entirely as you said. The problem is that if we move this to Chaos (Dissidia), then people will ask the other Dissidia subpages be moved to tags, and that could bring up the debate of it Dissidia is cannon and if the characters are the same or not, blah blah...

I would truly like the Dissidia subpages to be moved to tags. But a lot of other people don't. Drake Clawfang 02:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh sh*t, David!Edit

Badass choice pickin' that guy. Kaihedgie 03:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Move list Edit

We should have one for him, assuming someone can find the names of his Brave attacks. Drake Clawfang 19:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Superboss Edit

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I have to agree with SilverDragon28 here. His fight is just a living nightmare, to the point of being just about impossible if you're playing as anyone except Firion. I could even make a full list of problems with the fight - and I'll do just that!

  • Problem No.1: His attacks. All in all, the Bravery Attacks are annoying, requiring you to have mastered the dodge ability at that point (unfortunately for me, I hadn't tried to dodge an attack once prior to fighting Chaos).
  • Problem No.2: HP Attacks. These are what make the fight nightmarish - first, there's Condemn, where he stuns you, forces you to his position, and then has you explode. This attack is aggravating to avoid, requiring just about the most precise timing in the entire game. Then, there's Divine Punishment, where, after trapping you with pillars of fire, he slices you apart unless you dodge with perfect timing and then throws you down. And third up, Soul of Oblivion, which is GUARANTEED to hit unless you interrupt him, which is BEYOND easier said than done.
  • Problem No.3: The most ridiculous thing I've seen in a fighting game - after you somehow kill him, he enters a second phase, where he not only becomes twenty times more aggressive, but gains access to Demonsdance, an almost unavoidable attack which deals HP damage five times in a row - in other words, something that shouldn't be in the game.
  • Problem No.4: The THIRD PHASE. Yes, you have to beat him three times in succession. And in the third phase, not only do his already painful attacks get buffed, but he gains access to Scarlet Rain, which I can say is actually unavoidable. No matter how hard I try, I CANNOT avoid it. It is INSANE. Also, he has access to a thing called Utter Chaos, where a giant monster turns up out of nowhere, slices the player apart and then impales the stage with four giant swords, leaving you pretty much done for if you're touching one of five giant circles created by the attack. And while I haven't seen Utter Chaos used, I cannot IMAGINE how painful it must be.

So there you have it - why I find Chaos so cheap. In fact, I think even SquareEnix knew how cheap he is, as after enough consecutive failed attempts at beating him, the game provides you with useless hints. Just... why?

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Utter Chaos Edit

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I'll double-check, but I'm sure he does. Drake Clawfang 04:04, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hm, seems not. My mistake. Drake Clawfang 04:13, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how Chaos has more than six Brave attacks, does he always have the same six equipped in each phase of battle, or are they random? Drake Clawfang 04:18, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

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Once again, the computer cheats. Thanks for checking. Drake Clawfang 05:15, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

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Brave AttacksEdit

These attacks have never been named, and they probably never will be named, so should we remove the Name column in the table of Brave attacks? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 00:24, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

We could make up names if we really wanted to, but even then I'm against it. If names really don't exist, yeah let's remove it. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:59, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Irony Edit

Isn't it Ironic that Chaos has a move that is called "Divine Punishment"? I know he is a god and all, but "Divine" Implicates light, where obviously Chaos contradicts the light. square enix always makes at least one mistake with their games. Nigel Von Ronsenburg 13:10, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Divine implies divinity. Divinity comes from dieties, not necessarily the light. It is correct as far as I can tell.- Henryacores^ 13:39, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the definition of "divine" means "pertaining to or characteristic of a god". The only real reason it has gained the quasi-definition of holiness is because exceedingly few religions delve into the idea of a 'dark god'; most ascertain the infernal to something sub-divine. -- File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori (T / C) - 01:57, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I still don't get it... Edit

Garland IS Chaos.

So, like, can someone explain to me how Garland is basically walking around talking to himself? Kinda funny that Chaos is ordering himself around technically.

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It's tricky. But it makes sense if you think about it; the whole thing about FF1 was time loops. So Garland is either talking to a Chaos from the future, or Garland himself is from the future and talking to a Chaos from the past. Of course, considering Dissidia, who knows... - File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori (T / C) - 05:54, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

In Dissidia, Chaos sends Garland to the past, where Garland becomes Chaos. Chaos and Garland exist simultaneously because Chaos is a god, he's immortal. Like, if you went back in time to before you were born and lived a normal life up to when you were born, then you'd exist as both as your current self, and the past incarnation of yourself, in the same time period. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:02, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Weirdly enough, in the character files, Dissidia doesn't even acknowledge that Chaos is the final boss from Final Fantasy I. Which is awkward each character file talks about the role of each character and villain in their original game. It sort of treats Chaos as an original character the same way Cosmos is a character original to Dissidia. Mizuno Mahou 20:42, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh my god. Edit

Seriously. Square Enix has actually managed to come up with a challenging final boss. "Challenging" as in "Crying and screaming with frustration". No joke. --{{SUBST:User:LegoAlchemist/Autosig}} 02:50, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Desperado ChaosEdit

Proof, or a reference would be great, because having a final boss of his game as a playable character is something weird. SquallisbetterthanCloud 22:47, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

You assume Desperado Chaos in the final boss? DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 22:58, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

[1] [2] [3] [4] Dazuro 23:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Still seems weird, but the proof is a proof... SquallisbetterthanCloud 23:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Now, his EX-Mode- "Regnum Dei". I think that's "Kingdom of God". SquallisbetterthanCloud 23:10, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

'Tis indeed. Cool name, too. Dazuro 23:13, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

will Desperado Chaos be getting his own character page, due to being playable aside from the normal chaos? Ixbran 09:02, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd actually wait for more info on this one.

If it is indeed a new character, I'd probably create a new subpage for him, but that should be discussed after we have enough information on this new character. - Henryacores^ 17:45, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

We can't put him as a playable character yet, we don't know that he is for sure, we just know he has an EX Mode which means nothing. It's possible he's playable but until we can be sure it's speculation. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 17:46, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. We just know he exists and that's excellent by now. - Henryacores^ 17:53, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe he is a superboss. Who knows?. And the fact he has an Ex Mode doesn't mean he's a playable character. I always wondered how Chaos would be if he had an Ex Mode. yeah_93 18:27, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Anyways, i mean no insult or trolling, but i just want this to be cleared. i feel we can just drop the (final fantasy) part in the title. And logic and common sense are diffferent. logic only gives us whats written, common sense is something most would apply without really needing confirmation. I believe the Chaos in this is a different chaos from ff1, despite both being the same. this is a bit problematic as kingdom hearts tends to have these sort of situations and separate the cast.144.90.1.18 17:28, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

"I believe the Chaos in this is a different chaos from ff1, despite both being the same" - so you admit what you believe is not what's factual? DoreikuKuroofangu 17:48, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Here's your "proof" and "more information": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou-p8uXtf-k He's playable alright. Move page.

Feral/dragon-like running? Nomura, you've done us all a good service :3 Kaihedgie 14:16, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Move articleEdit

Although i admit that Chaos plays a prominent role in the series to resemble the original final fantasy, his profile seems to say he's not from the original final fantasy. Though we could say he was based in the similar fashion. I dont know how we would take care of this, maybe i'm short on interviews, but right now from what i have, he's original along-side cosmos.206.29.188.231 20:33, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

You're short on gameplay. He's Garland . Therefor, he's from Final Fantasy. Stays in Chaos (Final Fantasy)/Dissidia.- Henryacores^ 20:38, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
that's not what i mean exactly. if the game officially confirms him as separate from the other final fantasies (but plays the role of the 1st one) shouldn't we state it?206.29.188.183 23:36, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
The game states him to be the same as Garland, who is the same as the one from Final Fantasy. Basic logic makes him Chaos, who's also Garland overpowered with the energy of the four fiends. - Henryacores^ 23:49, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

The two stories are linked.--Lord of the Dark Depths 23:54, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

You're using common sense, not logic. he's a Dissidia original. There is also a bigger difference too, in the original garland sending garland into the past instead of the other way around. Just because one character is vaguely the same incarnation, does not mean they are from the same game. for example, lets say (completely hypothetical) Terra (from final fantasy 6) states that Cosmos did the same thing, should we say that Cosmos is from final fantasy 6 just because terra is? like i said, Dissidia counts chaos as originally from dissidia. not ff1.206.29.188.183 00:27, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
You're countering "common sense" with deafness and retardedness. The page stays.- Henryacores^ 00:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
So should we ignore all official info just because you think it's retarded? What do you ind so retarded? just that i don't agree with you?206.29.188.184 03:56, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
No, he refers about the page. He's the same Chaos of the first Final Fantasy, and logic says: Stay here. Henry, please, I urge you, don't insult people. But still you are right, no need to change or move this page. yeah_93 03:59, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
common sense...not logic. if we went to complete logic, we would just look at the official character file, and use that regardless of any other info that hasn't been officially confirmed regardless of the events being canon. Though there is a bit of a plot hole.....Chaos himself sends garland 2000 years into the past in order to turn into Chaos later in this current time. So was there a time when the two weren't the same person? Regardless, there are fakes, and doubles, not exactly the same character. like cloud from tactics. Even if he is the same character as Garland.....he was introduced in Dissidia. (the chaos in the original was vise-versa, as he went into the past to become chaos with the four fiends sending him there.)But again, i might be missing some other information out there, such as the creator stating he is, or some interview or magazine expose206.29.188.232 04:44, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
You might be missing some info... alternatively, you might be continuing to use an argument that has been refuted time and again. Yeah, it's definitely the latter case. What insane reason can you give for claiming that logic would be to disregard all canon that isn't the tiny bit of info in the DFF character file? That's not common sense, and nor is it remotely logical. It's just plain stupid, akin to saying that the entire content of a television series is not useful information when debating an issue relating to a five minute clip of just one episode of it.
Garland in FFI, Chaos in FFI, Garland in DFF and Chaos in DFF are all exactly the same person. No fakes, no doubles, no smoke and mirrors. There was not a time that they weren't one and the same. Simple facts. Canon. End of discussion. Also, your hypothetical case for Terra and Cosmos? Well, if Cosmos was Terra and had appeared in that manner in FFVI, then Cosmos wouldn't be a DFF original character. However, Cosmos is not Terra, so your point is rendered moot. Now, please stop your futile arguments -- SN Cocoon Sig 18:06, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos' profile in Dissidia mentions nothing of his FF1 appearance, says he's a DFF original character, and gives his backstory as completely separate from Garland. Perhaps it'd be better to consider him akin to the Esper Chaos--similar in name, with references in backstory, but a separate entity? While they do mention that he's Garland, Cid also mentions that he existed separately from Garland at one point in one of the reports--he says there's a being who wields chaos-power, as well as "a knight who is drawn to that chaos.. or perhaps draws the chaos to himself." Something along those lines. They're established as separate by the being who created the war. Isn't that enough? Dazuro 18:44, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

You are correct that Chaos did exist 2000 years before Garland's natural time. This is not a contradiction, because such is the nature of screwy timelines. They are still the same person. As to why the character file is all Dissidia and no FFI... I would probably put that down to a combination of two things. First, the precise characterisation of Chaos is new, but the same is fairly true of WoL, Garland, Onion Knight... and they have their games of origin stated as one would expect. Except that WoL and OK in particular are actually DFF originals, as they are not the same as their main series equivalents. So it's wise not to rely too heavily on the stated games of origin in the character files. The second thing is, quite simply, spoilers. It is not unreasonable that SE would choose to imply that Chaos has no fundamental connection to Garland so that, for those players who are not familiar with FFI's story, it comes as a surprise when it's revealed -- SN Cocoon Sig 20:22, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Bullshit. In order to unlock Chaos' profile, you have to have already seen the scene where Garland says he and Chaos are one. And.. What? Onion Knight and Warrior are the same as their series equivalents... what the hell are you saying? Dazuro 00:53, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, so you can direct me to the actual character named Onion Knight, who also looks like that, in FFIII? The OK of Dissidia is an original character. Similarly, WoL is an character based upon the simple Warrior job in FFI, not a character who appeared in it. Mainly because FFI didn't really have player characters, particularly. Still, my bad about the Chaos profile, but I think I can be excused forgetting the unlock details when I completed it months ago >_> -- SN Cocoon Sig 00:58, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
the reports suggest his origins are from the same world of final fantasy I however, the same is given to cosmos. In fact since DDFF, it's made itself more clear the Chaos we see in Dissidia is not garland. There origins are clearly different. In fact, it suggest that they are two different beings. Chaos (DFF/DDFF) originated from final fantasy I where Cid and his wife took care of him. However, the Chaos that is Garland, exists when he absorbs the power of the fiends. Clearly the two are different. I think we should move it to Chaos/Dissidia or Chaos (Dissidia) since this version of chaos was introduced in here and is clearly not the save one as garland (despite garland suggesting they are).Ilaria Mask 09:06, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Desperado Chaos as playable character Edit

According to the images in the article page below, Desperado Chaos can be playable in 012!!! Should we put this in??)
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It's already noted in the page that he's a playable character. And since we have already an image for the artwork, I don't think we should put the scan there. yeah_93, Visit my Dissidia Characters Guide! 22:06, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Late. --70.188.35.90 03:51, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Video Reference of Desparado Chaos.131.247.128.157 19:49, March 3, 2011 (UTC) Im curious when are you going to make a full body render of this scan like you do with all the other characters?--HollowIchigo58 21:45, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

"Desperado Chaos/Dissidia"Edit

Should "Desperado Chaos/Dissidia" be its own subpage, separate from Chaos's page? I get the feeling this page could easily get cluttered and confusing if we put two movesets on here. Teamrocketspy621 20:23, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Adding "/Dissisia" seems redundant, since it doesn't appear anywhere else. Plus, that would leave an empty main page. We had that problem with Choco/Mog a while back and I'm not sure if or how it was resolved. I'm really neither for nor against a new page for the moment, but I do think there should at least be a redirect so people can search for it properly. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 20:28, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
That is wrong for reasons: First, there is no "Desperado Chaos" article, so it can't have a subpage. Second, it should be a subpage of Chaos because it's an alternate appearance based off Chaos' Dissidia incarnation which is directly based of his Final Fantasy appearance. So Desperado Chaos it should covered at Chaos (Final Fantasy)/Dissidia/Desperado Chaos.
Doubt it should work like that as Desperado Chaos is more of a mindless version of Chaos. I think only attacks and allusions be added, the rest may be too small. But we can hold it off until the game is made public.131.247.129.134 20:34, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

It has already been redirected. So we'll wait until someone has info on Desperado Chaos. yeah_93, Visit my Dissidia Characters Guide! 20:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think it depends on what, if any, storyline role D.Chaos has. If he's nothing more than a playable Chaos as a bonus in the same way Aerith is just an Assist, with no storyline role, then we can add his info here. If he's stated to be an alternate form of Chaos directly though, then yeah he should get his own page at "Desperado Chaos". We need more info on him first though. DoreikuKuroofangu 21:42, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
Plus, there's a good chance the Desparado Chaos page would be like the Chaos/Dissidia boss page.Fractyl2 23:18, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
Nah, he's playable so he'll have proper attack names, an EX Mode section, AP and CP costs, etc. DoreikuKuroofangu 23:25, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
Desparado Chaos vs. Garland. Anyone able to translate Garland's opening line along with Chaos' Ex Mode?72.184.129.252 09:59, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
Having two characters' battle info is quite confusing to the reader. I think the division should be made to ease the common reader's queries. If such was made, several anchors could be used at this article's sections to link to Desperado Chaos' sections.
If not. Use tabs. For the love of god, just divide the info of Chaos and Desperado Chaos. - Henryacores^ 16:09, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ex-Burst Background Edit

Have anyone noticed that, as soon as Desperado Chaos starts Regnum Dei, before breaking the Ex-Burst background, it is a blue one, like the one the warriors of cosmos use? May we put that as a trivia?--Dark-EnigmaXIII 21:28, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

No. It depends on the opponent's alignment. - Henryacores^ 23:05, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

We could add THAT as trivia. ZodiarkMaster 21:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Stage that is not known Edit

When seeing desperado chaos wins, the stage is like a different one than what we have ours, do all of you know what kind of stage is that? BusterTsurugi2NE1Dissicon ff7 Clo2 14:30, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

.....what? DoreikuKuroofangu 14:33, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Look at the stage on the back of Chaos carefully when he is the victory (to make sure you must pause it), then what kind of stage is that in 012?? BusterTsurugi2NE1Dissicon ff7 Clo2 14:49, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
The video in the article takes place at the Empyreal Paradox. - Henryacores^ 14:57, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

MovesEdit

From what I've seen of replays of 012, it looks like most of Desperado Chaos' moves, his HP attacks inparticular, are imperfect versions of his normal form's attacks... ZodiarkMaster 21:26, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


ArtworkEdit

Is there any full artwork of Feral Chaos available ? Alarielle 15:54, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

WOAH Edit

I think this is the right section to put it in so here I go.

I just bought 012 today, and played through the tutorial. Towards the end, I said to the moogle. "I AM A MASTER" and so, he gave me one more battle. . . FERAL CHAOS with over 100,000 health! I'm not joking! I'm not gonna say I beat him, he beat me in a second. 173.65.215.186 19:03, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. He is kinda a Superboss. -- LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon 19:05, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
YA DONT SAY. I just got to the actual STORY LINE part where you fight a MANIKIN of him, and he is lvl 95 with somehwere around 56000 HP. I did about 1000 of damage between 2 lvl 100 (if poorly equiped) charecters. Heed the moogles advice and GO TRAIN IN THE DUNGEONS FOR BETTER EQUIPS. nuff said.--Sinez 02:55, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Asterix Edit

In the table about Feral Chaos's HP attacks there is an asterix > * < next to them. Why is it there? FF9 15:01, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hover your cursor over them and see. DoreikuKuroofangu 16:20, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  • They are translations of the attack names. It's so it doesn't take up any space, while people can still understand what they mean if they want to. 94.175.31.66 00:51, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox? Edit

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Another one-round battle Edit

In the trivia section, there is the entry "The battle against Cloud from Report 7 in Dissidia 012 is the only time where Chaos is fought in one round instead of three." However, there is another, earlier, report with a fight against Chaos, with only one round. In that one, one plays with Kuja. Should the entry be removed or the fight with Kuja be added? Are there other reports with one-round fights against Chaos? Nyarly 19:48, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Which report is this? I haven't unlocked all of them, but I've unlocked the Cloud one, so it can't be earlier than that one.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 19:56, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, my bad. I confused something and forgot that Cloud is on Chaos' side in 012. Nyarly 20:03, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Is Chaos Garland or not? Edit

In Dissidia, Garland states that he and Chaos are one and the same, meaning that Garland was the monstrous mankin created by Cid and weaponized by the Lufenia. That appears to have been reconned in Duodecium, so it should be made clearer in the article whether Garland becomes Chaos or not. 207.216.197.154 07:23, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

"so it should be made clearer in the game whether Garland becomes Chaos or not." - fixed. We can't say what they don't. Doreiku Kuroofangu 07:38, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
Even so... it's confusing because the Duodecium section says that Chaos was a manakin created by Cid and corrupted by Garland, and the Dissidia section says that Garland becomes Chaos after being sent back in time 2000 years. Report 12 from Duodecium, however, somewhat clarifies things. It's from Garland's POV and shows Garland being freed from Final Fantasy's time loop by Shinryu ("In the present, I no longer have an interest in carrying my future self back to the past") and encountering Cid, Cosmos, and Chaos. ("As I wandered, I happened upon a man who had lost sight of what to protect - and learned that this realm was not 2000 years in the past. With the man was a woman without warmth, and a giant beast curled into a ball. The beast spoke; he was struggling to deny his own destructive nature. I could not help but reach out to him. I often think of the start of the cycle. I, as Chaos, summoned myself from the future; once summoned, I became Chaos.") So I guess Garland merged with the original Chaos or something after being sent back at the end of Destiny Oddessy. I dunno. 207.216.197.154 18:09, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Main Antagonist? Edit

Given that Shinryu is the driving force behind ALL the events of the Dissidia games (even the extra ones) as well as serving as Chaos's summon. This in fact makes Shinryu the true main antagonist of the game isn't it? --BGMaxie 02:19, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think Shinryu's side in the war could be described as neutral? It's neither on Cosmos's or Chaos's side, although it eventually decides that cycle 13 is the last cycle and whoever wins takes the cake. It's not exactly antagonising the player.Keltainentoukokuu 02:29, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
Supposdelly Shinryu is neutral, but strictly speaking he is not. Because he is behind the events the protagonists or in this case the Warriors of Cosmos must face. Yes they have to fight Chaos, but who plots this is Shinryu. You can also add the fact that he's behind extra events such as Inward Chaos and the more seemingly canon-like Confessions of the Creator, major disasters made up by Shinryu, and also he serves as Chaos's Summon as his way to "side" with him. There is plenty of room to put Shinryu's role as antagonistic, and since he's the driving force of the events of the game, this makes him in escence the true main antagonist. --BGMaxie 01:30, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
Shinryu is behind the events because of the request Cid made, although that did blow up in Cid's face after he decided to take a side. If we keep applying the logic of "This guy's the main antagonist because he made the other guy who we're currently saying is the main antagonist do it", we'd end up saying that the main antagonist is Nomura. Also, while Shinryu might have driven the plot, until after Cosmos was killed in cycle 13, Chaos, as far as I can tell, was pretty much acting on his own judgement, Shinryu only really taking a stance beyond neutral afterwards.
So yes, Shinryu is an antagonist, but he's not the main antagonist. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 02:55, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
Everything is sort of Cid's fault, because he's the one who makes the pact with Shinryu, he's the one who asked Shinryu to do this whole cycle thing. Before that, Shinryu was just someone who travelled the interdimensional rift, it doesn't seem to have any specific agenda. Eventually Shinryu gets mad at Cid and turns against him(because Cid's not playing by the rules they agreed to anymore). But calling either Cid or Shinryu as the main antagonist doesn't really ring right... Chaos is the main entity who antagonises the player, he's the one who wants to destroy you, not Shinryu or Cid.Keltainentoukokuu 12:37, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
Shinryu does have an agenda. The cycle does eventually make Shinryu stronger, as the warriors who are felled, are revived by him, by the cost of absorbing their memories. These memories make Shinryu more powerful, that is why he made the pact with Cid. Cid wanted to return home but for that he needed Chaos to be more powerful, he succeded on this but realized his mistake. Shinryu following this gives his power to Chaos, and later traps Cid in the alternate dimension, following after the defeat of Feral Chaos, Shinryu flees ending the conflict, which is the main objective of the protagonists, to end the war. The Main antagonist role may perhaps be debated a bit further, but Shinryu's role is by no means neutral. --BGMaxie 20:49, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Bravery attack table Edit

Should we remove the name column from the Bravery attacks? We're not going to get official names for them any time soon and it looks kinda off to have a big blank column on the left of a table. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:20, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ironically, we may. The guy who uploaded the sound clips of Chaos to Sound Resource named the attacks in the sound files - now if they're official and somehow ripped from the game, there we go. That is the conundrum really, they probably do have names, but no one who can hack the game to find out is interested in doing so. Doreiku Kuroofangu 07:55, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lufaine or Onrac? Edit

Here it says that Lufaine's military wanted to weaponize Chaos and on other pages it says it was Onrac's government. Which is it?

D012 DataEdit

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What D012 data? Drake Clawfang (talk) 13:03, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

I assume the attack lists. They are identical though, aren't they?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:46, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, Chaos is unchanged between games save for his in-game level at the end of Shade Impulse/Light To All. The only difference is the priority of his dropkick changed, but that's already noted. Drake Clawfang (talk) 18:37, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
Hm, my bad, thought it was noted. I guess we'll need someone with the original Dissidia to verify all this stuff. Drake Clawfang (talk) 18:43, March 26, 2015 (UTC)