Talk:Cetra

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[edit] Is Aeris really a Cetra?

I know there are many people who feel strongly about this, but just hear my question, cause it is legit. It states that the Cetra were migratory ancestors of modern day humans. They went from place to place cultivating life. Yet, Aerith had a home, first with Ilfana, then in Shinra Mansion, then with Elmyra Gainsbourgh, and so no longer followed all of the Cetra teachings. If this is true, then she isn't really a Cetra, is she?

Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 01:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC) I don't follow all the Jewish teachings, and that doesn't make me any less Jewish.

Yumino - ♪♫~ - Talk - 01:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Isn't it said in the game that Aeris is the last remaining Ancient? So, she is a Cetra, right? ^^

Right, but you are Jewish by heritage. All the humans in FFVII have Cetra heritage, but they aren't all Cetra. Cetra is specifically a way of living. As for the game, maybe it says that Aeris is an ancient, I don't know, I'll have to go play again. But even if it says that in the game, was it Aeris herself that said she was one, or was it simply Hojo's deduction. Hojo obviously had no idea what Cetra were because he thought that Cetra were separate genetically (it says he intended to breed more Cetra from Aeris) from regular humans. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I actually want Aeris to be teh last Ancient, its just that this has been bugging me for a while.Ralis 00:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)Ralis

If teachings are all that make one a Cetra, how is it possible that they became extinct, when Red XIII, Cloud, and the other seemed to know just as much about the "Cetra lifestyle" as Aeris did? Hojo has been studying them for years and he sems to belive that they're something different betwen Cetra and humans, and he seems to be the expect on the subject in the game world. Does it actually say ANYWHERE in the game that being a Cetra is just a beif system? If it doesn't, I don't see why it's even mentioned in the article.

Shin-Ra Employee No.0000000001 - ...hmmm Mako TALK - {{{time}}} while normal humans can gain some of the Cetra's abilities despite their lost heritage -- such as hearing the Planet's cries (AVALANCHE and Bugenhagen) and even the ability to understand it (Bugenhagen) -- genetics can play a role in the matter, as well. Due to all humans on the Planet (Cetra and the normal humans) being descended from the Cetra of the past, and because some ordinary humans gained some abilities reminiscent of the Cetra (AVALANCHE and Bugenhagen gained the ability to hear the Planet's cries, and Bugenhagen even interpreted words in the air at the Forgotten Capital), it can be concluded that being a Cetra is a lifestyle or culture, but that those who are directly descended from "practicing Cetra" are more easily attuned to the abilities of the Cetra. In other words, whereas normal humans have to actively pursue the rekindling of their lost heritage, a child of one with Cetra abilities will likely be experiencing those abilities whether they want to or not (as Aerith did). In other words, being a Cetra is apparently both genetic and cultural.

[edit] The Unknown Cetra

This might send your minds twisting a bit here, but I doubt that Aeris and Ifalna were the last of the Cetra.

1. 1: In the end sequence of Final Fantasy VII(Pre credits) Marlene seems to 'hear' something and say's 'the flower girl?' most likely referring to the oncoming Holy and Lifestream sent by Aeris(Yeah I know that its not recognised by the games creators and is only in the Ultimania story Maiden who walks...etc)then in AC Marlene again seems to 'sense' the presence of Aeris in the fight between Sephiroth and Cloud with the statement 'is it her?'(again while she is using the Lifestream to counter a power of Sephiroth).

1. 2: Missed by many fans because of his bit part. While your reading this, what did Marlenes Dad Dyne say he could hear before the fight with Barret.

Oh...got it? He said that he could 'hear the voice of Eleanor' who wanted to see Marlene again. Most of you will state that he was either insane at that time or sick with grief after thinking his family were dead. The info above about Marlene however is more difficult to explain.

1. 3: Throughout the end of FF VII(game time) if you enter the church in Midgar(disc 3)you'll see an image of Aeris helping the kids working on the flowerbed (this is shown again by the end of AC) and during AC Cloud seems to be able to have conversations with Aeris and Zack, while in the real world, which seems to call back to Aeris saying that she could 'hear' the voices of the dead Cetra in the Promised Land.

While the information presented-currently-shows a link to just caring for the planet that makes you Cetra(which would indicate all of Avalanche would be) actual bloodlines for the surviving Cetra could have been spread thin after they encased Jenova at North Cave. Refute me, I'd love a good banter.

BlueHighwind Q? TALK - I Am Vengeance. I Am the Knight. I Am Batman! ツ: God I hate fanboys. You all really put way too much thought into this shit.

Shin-Ra Employee No.0000000001 - ...hmmm Mako TALK - {{{time}}} Like BlueHighwind said. Plus read what i posted above.

[edit] Game with Cetras?

In this article it says "A small band of unchanged Cetra united and mounted on a final assault on the being they referred to as "the Calamity from the Sky," surprisingly managing to defeat it and seal its body in the Planet at Jenova's point of arrival, the Northern Crater." .... And I played the game some time ago again... and I also mentioned that part.

"A small band of unchanged Cetra", sounds like a planned story of Square(enix) to me. Maybe they planned a game where you play in some kind of uber-epic-past-world and fighting Jenova and so on... before knowing that it's jenova... MAYBE there already IS a game about that but with complete different names... I mean, I don't think the Cetra back then said "oh no, it's Jenova" and so on, that name was invented by Shinra...

And how in the hell fits FF10 in that story? It must have played like 8000 years before FF7, and already had it's own 1000-year differences. It was confirmed that FF7 is a "direct" sequel to FF10 (several thousend years later). Maybe all those Summoners in 10 were Centra?... Yuna is Jenova!! nah kidding, but there are too many possibilities to think about. --Haitani 11:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I once thought the same thing when I first played FFVII and thought that the series worked with a single story - you know instead of being totally different games that are sequels in name only unlike every other series ever created by mankind. (Sarcasm) How stupid was I? FFI was the Jenova landing, and then the other six games would be thing in between. FFVI was the rise of Shinra. But I was totally wrong. That's part of the series why FFVIII was such a huge disappointment, I guess. --BlueHighwind 14:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

well yeah, but Squareenix has confirmed that FF10 is a prequel to FF7. --Haitani 18:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Let us never bring that up. Never, you hear me? NEVER! Think of it as sort of "retconning by the fans" - no-one likes the idea. The Man In The Black Cape 19:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}} That's called "discontinuity." And here's my opinion on that: It's retarded. Just because you don't like the way a story went, it doesn't change the fact that it went that way. Hell, I consider every single game of Ivalice Alliance besides War of the Lions to be nothing more than an absolute abomination, but I don't say they aren't related. I just...don't pay a whole lot of attention to the relationship. That being said, there's 2 things wrong with everything said so far. The first is that Jenova was not Sin. Gaia is not Spira, either. The idea is that, after several generations, Spirans acheived space flight, went to Gaia, & then Jenova crashed there. The other problem is that it wasn't officially revealed, exactly. There are an assload of details that support the idea, & Nomura lined out the whole idea, but it was just that: an idea. Now, that's not to say that it isn't true. The guy worked on both games, & is in charge of the Compilation, so his opinion is very high on the totem pole. Furthermore, the same criticism was given about the game Shadow of the Collossus, before someone came out & said, (paraphrased) "Alright, enough dicking around. Yes, Ico is a distant sequal to Shadow of the Collosus." The point I'm trying to make is that there's a difference between "the official stance" & "a possible interpretation that is heavily supported." Now, if this hasn't been put in already, it really should be. It was once quite angrily INSISTED to me that this is a database for Final Fantasy, before anything else. It should not be a committe to decide what to regard as continuity, in that regard. EDIT: Just swung by the page & noticed the Ultimania link. I have to say, it's true that "return to the Planet" means "return to the Lifestream," but that's actually irrelevent in the context of whether or not the Cetra migrated from planet to planet. Do -I- think they did? No, I think that even if the Cetra came from space, they eventually lost their technology & stuck to Gaia. But, the reason I made a long-ass comment even longer is because the passage cited is, as I said, irrelevent. It deals with the concept of the Promised Land, not about their actual migration pattern.