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Is this listed randomly or is it listed in a certain order? --Crazyswordsman 00:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

At first it was, but that didn't look nice, so I put it in order of loot, weapons type, etc. There are probably errors, and the table could probably be spaced better, but it took me 3 hours to write, and it was midnight when I was finished, so I needed sleep. Diablocon 14:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Diablo, regarding the Monographs, any chance of adding what types of monster are affected by what type of Monograph? I can show you what I mean, with the two Monographs that I have (in 5-10 minutes), and if it looks good, we can add the rest. I'll also run through a couple of designs in my head for ways of making it look better (if possible). --Hecko X 17:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'll add their effects then. However, I greatly appreciate you offering to fix my tables. They really aren't my forté. Diablocon 17:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
design idea, but it's confusing and blah blah. What I mean can be read in the summary found in the history tab. --Hecko X 17:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Great design, I don't see what's confussing about it. Only problem is, it would involve going through the article again, changing everything. But I'm willing to do it. Diablocon 17:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The confusing-part was in reference to how I set up the code. --Hecko X 18:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've been practising with tables since I wrote this article. I just looked over the code, and I see what's going on. Diablocon 18:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


That really isn't a picture of the Bazaar, it's just a picture of the shop in Balfonheim. Diablocon 12:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • The Bazaar can be accessed at every store, including the one pictured Renmiri 17:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Similiar Pages Edit

How about adding the loot-page to similiar pages? I think many users would like to have quick way (other than searching) to see where to obtain the loots you need for item you are looking for.

Proposed rewrite Edit


How the Bazaar worksEdit

To make a particular item available to be bought (cheap) from the Bazaar, the player will need to sell a specific number (count) of 3 specific items. The items can be sold at any shop, and do not need to be sold at the same time, as the game will remember the items sold, and at what quantity. Bear in mind though, that common ingredients the player turns in may complete a different recipe that is not the particular one the player is after. Once any recipe is completed, it shows up in the bazaar list to be bought. At some point, whether once listed or once bought, the ingredients' count is reduced, and will no longer apply to the desired recipe, requiring the player to obtain more of those items to complete additional recipes.

Both the recipe systems below work efficiently enough, without needing to check the recipe lists, for common items the player has large multiples of. Neither are foolproof without attention to the recipe lists. Turning in the exact recipe can overlook other overlapping recipes and require more of an item to be acquired. Each ingredient tends to occur in multiple recipes; a pair of recipes with overlapping ingredients will contain ingredients used in still other recipes, so the only perfectly efficient sale is of every recipe at once, which is probably not an option for many players. Thus the overlapping system is in fact more prone to errors than the exact recipe system, as more ingredients are involved.

Exact recipe Edit

To get the Canopic Jar, the player will need to sell at a store the following: one Phobos Glaze item, one Horakhty's Flame item, and one Deimos Clay item. Leave the sell menu and there should be a new package at the bazaar: Morbid Urn at 250000 gil, revealed to be the Canopic Jar when the player buys it.

Filling exact recipes, even without cross referencing the ingredients, can be used to good effect to obtain useful items cheaply, early and midway through the game. If all the facts about the ingredient items are known, of course, it becomes an easier and faster version of the strategy below, one that obtains only the items the player most needs.

Overlapping recipes Edit

The system of item requirements can be made to work to the player's advantage; two recipes which have an ingredient in common can be completed with the only the largest number of that ingredient. For example, the Sturdy Battle Gear package requires four Charger Barding, three Pisces Gem, and two Split Armor. Neither Pisces Gems nor Split Armor are involved in other recipes, but Charger Barding is part of the Magepower Helm recipe: five Charger Barding, two Chimera Head, and one Feystone. Turn in 5 Barding, 3 Gem, 2 Armor, 1 Head and 1 Feystone, and both recipes are completed; the five Charger Barding completes both recipes. However, Darksteel Blade package also requires Chimera Heads, and Feystone is required for one of the most desirable recipes of all; the Life Crystal package that gives High Arcana, so the danger of completing some recipes while using up ingredients for better recipes is still present.

Checking for the exact ingredients of overlapping recipes is of course the most efficient way of obtaining market items, but can be time consuming; there are a large number of recipes and many with limited appeal. The overlapping recipe strategy tends to be used for the highest quality items later in the game.


The article currently uses information about what exact point the count is reduced to zero that I do not trust, as it is contradicted elsewhere, by a guide stating that items over the limit of the item put up for sale are applied to the next count. Whether or not items can be 'stacked' with multiple sales of ingredients, and bought 'en masse' later, is not stated. Whether this would require not peeking at the Market is not stated. Whether market items disappear if not bought immediately, or when new items turn up, or when new items turn up that use ingredients that overlap with their recipes, is not even stated.

No guide states this in a clear and complete enough way. I trust SplitInfinity to have a methodical enough mind to never give bad information, and he has not disappointed in that respect with the list of items. Any one recipe can be completed successfully. Any number of recipes handed in simultaneously can be completed successfully. But as far as an overview of the mechanics of it go, to be able to be free to turn in a few items here and others later, or even to trust that common items already turned in will count towards recipes turned in, it is a sad and sorry situation.
VvAnarchangelvV 23:40, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Descriptions of equipment for equipment pages? Edit

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Spiitting the original recipes into their own page Edit

Headline says it all. Would it not be more efficient to have the original recipes on the other own page as is the case with the list of the weapons ("/Original")? As it stands, Ctrl + F finds recipes that are no longer accurate to newer versions of the game. 07:21, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. It's just a big job to move it and then redo all the links to the bazaar.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:15, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Please get rid of these goddamn videos. I love this wiki, I love to use it every time I (re)play any FF title. But recently almost every single FF12 side I'm looking at, these obtrusive frickin videos get on your nerves, and it takes too long for the entire site to load. And then if you can finally scroll down, this goddamn video becomes a little box that still intrusively distracts you from reading what you wanna read. If I wanna watch a video, I go to youtube. I know you can make a lot of money with youtube videos and I know some people in this new world and our strange society seems to like videos and videolinks, but not everyone does. So please.... we don't wanna help you getting rich. We just wanna read our beloved FFwiki in peace. There's enough commercials and advertisements on here already. Michael St.

We can't do anything about the videos. Wikia's "wiki modernisation" plan is to replace the ads on the page with ads in videos. They will be on pages that have a lot of traffic. If you create an account you can view the wiki without ads, but the video will still play. Here is a staff blog post explaining the video thing to us.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:15, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
If you use a modern browser, go ahead and install the uBlock Origin and Ghostery extensions. Between the two of them, all of the intrusive elements will be removed without you having to register an account. 17:47, August 16, 2017 (UTC)