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Proofreading Edit[]
I know that this doesn't go here, and I'm sorry ahead of time, but I made a bunch of little proofreading changes to the Story section (probably still missed some stuff; I started partway down, and the whole thing was messy) and didn't want to lose my progress to these annoying glitches. I keep getting infinite loading screens, and when the edit page does appear to work, I try to submit the edit, it tells me that I need to solve a challenge because I included new external links (I didn't.), but doesn't show me said challenge. I was hoping that someone here could take this, paste it in, and feel free to delete this from the talk page as though I was never here. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I just can't let the effort go to waste!67.43.249.134 11:41, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for proofreading. I'm afraid story sections will always be messy... I implemented some of the changes you suggested and amended others. Also, while we're at it, this sentence is terrible:
- Despite her previous anger at Basch aboard the Leviathan, the former captain vowed to his friend Vossler to look after her, and accompanies her with Fran, Penelo and Vaan joining as well. mecorx (talk) - 13:59, Mar 04, 2017
- Thank you! Agreed. Several lines were off, but that one was wrong on multiple levels. I wanted to see whether or not the issue that I had described had been fixed, so I went over the section with a fine-toothed comb and made so many corrections. Sometimes, I feel like I should just carry a book of punctuation (especially commas; you can debate the Oxford comma, but not the rest!) and grammar (in this case, especially tense congruence) around and smack people with it until the knowledge is beaten into them! In retrospect, it would've been much easier to make the whole thing present tense than past tense, as early as the switch had occurred . . . As I was saying, I went back and made a bunch of corrections to see if whatever is causing the problem had been solved . . . and, sadly, it hasn't. :/ Hopefully for the last time, here is a section for someone else to snip from this page and use to overwrite the story section:67.43.249.134 14:35, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
Please don't post the story section here at the talk page. You can edit the story section on the article and make any change you think would improve it. The convention we have agreed upon here is that the events that happen as the player plays the game are written in present tense, and past events (backstory, flashbacks) are written in past tense. I understand the change in tense can look annoying though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:54, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
Move?[]
Can I move this to "Ashelia B'Nargin Dalmasca"? At first I thought that the Dalmasca part was just a title, but she does also refer to herself as "Ashelia Dalmasca" at one point. Diablocon 12:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Really? Because I seem to recall that the old guy who constantly dreams (I've forgotten his name and title), only call her Ashelia B'nargin. --Hecko X 14:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Gran Kiltias Anastasis. But yeah, she is refered to by quite a few titles:
- Ashe - Nearly eneryone
- Ashelia B'Nargin Dalmasca - Dr Cid
- Ashelia B'Nargin - Gran Kiltias
- Ashelia Dalmasca - Herself, in the ending sequence
- I was thinking of adding the Dalmasca since that seems to be her full title. Diablocon 14:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, that was the one. But if what you say is true, then sure, I support the move. It seems to similar to the case of Princess Garnet. --Hecko X 17:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Gran Kiltias Anastasis. But yeah, she is refered to by quite a few titles:
vossler affair[]
Obviously some vandal loves to make up stories. The Ultimania never said anything about her so-called affair with Vossler. And there was nothing to imply such things. | |||
StijnX - Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde TALK - I think therefore I am confused | |||
Vossler + Ashe is about as far-fetched as Steiner + Dagger. Now that would be a funny relationship! | |||
Well... Choosing the right action does result in Steiner seeing her naked (or undressed at least)... | |||
Somone is obvioulsy just trying to piss us off. It's great that there's no love story in FFXII, so they can focus more on the politics and everything else. Of course, some idiots can't handle that, and make up bullshit to compensate. Revenant Wings may spoil all of this though, since it looks like it's going to hint that there's even more between Ashe and Basch. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
Though Basch + Vossler would be pretty nice... | |||
I don't care what anyone says, but there was at least a little bit of romance in XII. There was clearly something going on between Vaan and Penelo, and (while this doesn't really count as romance) Baltheir flirted with just about every female (and a couple of males) that he met. -- Drake
BahamutOWN - Tell me what you cherish most. Give me the pleasure of taking it away TALK - VISIT THE DISSIDIA FLASH GAME WEBSITE http://dissidiaflash.t83.net | |||
ASHE IS MINE NOT ANYONE ELSES AHHHH | |||
Brothers?[]
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 00:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
Is there anything anywhere that says Ashe had 8 brothers, but they all died? I've seen this mentioned in a few places, mostly fanfics, but I'm fairly certain there's nothing in the game about it. Is it maybe in an Ultimania, or did someone just make it up? Just curious. | |||
Sounds made up, or very obscure. If the main source for stuff like this is fanfics, I'd just ignore it. | |||
I remember writing that in wikupo. And guess where I got that from. The Ultimania! It's true! The king had 8 sons and 1 daughter. I'd scan the page, but I have no scanner or camera. The only way I could prove it is through this: directly-translated: 8 older brothers have died in disturbances of war and the illness, you have become the only orthodox throne succession person. I assure you it's not made up stuff. If it is, it's Squenix's made up stuff. | |||
Wow, poor King Raminas. Damn, I wish they'd release the Ultimania over here! | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 18:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
So it is true? Thanks, Blue! ^_^ Wow. That does suck. I want the Ultimania... :( | |||
I have the Ultimania AND a scanner. which page Bluer, I can scan it in :) Renmiri | |||
It's in the Scenario Ultimania, first chapter on Characters, at Ashe's page. The page with that big picture of Ashe nasal fingering. | |||
There is an in-game reference: the airship bartender mentions that she's 9th in the line and the only girl. koku 01:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
scanned Image:UltScenAshe.jpg | |||
Another Question[]
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 06:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
Okay, someone with the Ultimania: what is Ashe's mom's name? I need to know it for a.... project of mine... *shifty eyes* Anyway, does that happen to be in the Ultimania? Thanks! ^_^ | |||
Woo, better ask YAZZ for that, the Ultimania never mentioned her mom. And I scoured many pages to find it. | |||
Expansion?[]
It's not exactly a stub, but I think a lot more could be added to this article--a more thorough progression/summary of Ashe-involved events in the game, possibly a personality section, etc. What do you think? Eowynjedi 16:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I think enough is said. If we get into too much detail, we have a repeat of Tifa's article, where it basically recapped the entire game's story. | |||
- I wasn't planning on writing a game summary (I know a lot of the FF4 articles are/were basically identical because of that), but just add more depth about the resistance, the Occuria, etcetera. At least getting rid of the different sections--there's way too much white space. The "afterwards" section just has one sentence.
- This is part of what I've written (fourth paragraph):
- However, Ondore told Ashe that it would be impossible for Bhujerba to openly join the Dalmascans in resistance without proof that Ashe was Queen--which could not be obtained without the Dusk Shard, or the missing Dawn Shard. He advised her to "do nothing until the time is right," counsel that Ashe immediately rejected. She walked out of the meeting, and attempted to comandeer the Strahl, Balthier's airship, in order to seek the Dawn Shard on her own. She was quickly discovered in the attempt by Vaan and Balthier, who both tried to talk her out of her quest, until Ashe suggested that--as a sky pirate--Balthier "kidnap" her, offering him the treasure of the Dynast-King's tomb as payment.
- ...and after that I was just going to say something like "quest for Dawn Shard, Rasler apparition, moral dilemma and then she told the Occuria to get stuffed," in a paragraph of the length above, then go on to the end of the game. Eowynjedi 01:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Time Mage?[]
Okay, how is Ashe a Time Mage? I don't think Job Class should even be included in games with character clones, unless they are only sometimes clones, such as in VI. II, III, V, VII, VIII, and XII should not have Job Class in their character boxes. She is not a Time Mage people! is there even "Time Magicks" in Final Fantasy XII? -- Drake
I agree. I don't see how Ashe is a Time Mage at. It depends on what the player wants her to be. You can't really assign jobs in XII, V, and III. You can make them use any type of Magic, have any type of abilities, fight in any style, and use whatever weapons you want. At least in VII and VIII the characters are limited by certain weapon choices which makes their job clear. Tifa is a Monk. Irvine is a Gunner. Etc. PS: There are Time Magicks in FFXII. | |||
She learns nothing but Time Magic in Revenant Wings. | |||
So shouldn't that thing say "RW Job Class"? In fact it should! I'm fixing that right now! Enough of this confusion. | |||
That pic...[]
Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - {{{time}}} - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright. | |||
I can't believe you actually added that pic to this page, Blue. | |||
Why not? 8Bit was unhappy that it wasn't being used. I was thinking of putting it on Basch's page, but we all know that nobody is looking at him in that picture. | |||
What it's artwork, you complain about Ashe's artwork but you don't complain about the pictures of Tifa we have! | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - {{{time}}} - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright. | |||
I complain because it is fanart. At least the fanart of Balthier and Fran on Bal's page makes a tiny bit of sense, seeing as they are partners and whatnot.. | |||
That's not fanart. That's honest-to-God Yoshida artwork right there. You can tell because he signed it. | |||
No it's real, becuase it came with strategy guide's art book! I should remember I got a detetion for having it at school. | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - {{{time}}} - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright. | |||
EDIT CONFLICT: Alright, my bad for noticing. But still, who said Yoshida isn't a fan? | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
@ BlueH: I was thinking of looking for another piece of artwork artwork that was a bit less.... overtly revealing, like the image I placed on Basch's page. | |||
Well its too late now. Its staying. =D | |||
SilverDragon28 - "I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" TALK - 15:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC) Veni, vidi, vici. | |||
Truth be told, it's not that much different from her regular outfit. | |||
Face[]
Does anyone else think Ashe's face looks different in-game than in her artwork? In-game her eyes are smaller, her hair is more platinum blond, and in general she looks more mature IMO. Drake Clawfang 06:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
i agree the appearance of her face does look more mature than the artwork and renders seem to show. maybe it's because in game her face is largely flattened due to the graphics but she does look different. Hamfruitcake 09 09:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Maria[]
Born from Darkness Talk · Contribs 01:50, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Faythoffenrir - The spirit is over town, waiting for me to hit the floor... TALK - 01:53, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | |||
I'd noticed that too. Think its a coincidence? | |||
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/459841-final-fantasy-xii/56914459
it looks like some people thinks that Ashe is in fact the main villain of the gamwhat do you guys think?
Is Ashe left-handed?[]
This is just a random detail I noticed, but while playing FFXII, I noticed that she holds some two-handed weapons left-handedly. Namely, rods, spears, and two-handed swords (and maybe others). She doesn't do this with all weapons, though, although it's actually a trait of left-handed people to be able to do many things with their right hand.
- She touches her nose with her left hand in the official art, but does Quickenings with her right arm, slaps Basch with her right hand and victory poses seem right-handed.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 02:18, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
- Ashe uses her right hand to wield one-handed sword. That should be clear enough that she's right-handed. For two-handed swords, her right hand is in the front (closer to the sword-guard), that's normal for right-handed swordsmen. And for two-handed spears, it's a bit more complicated. It depends on the stance and how you use the spear. The generic spear stance (like FFVII Cid), you wield it on the left side of your body, with your right hand before your left hand. This stance is better for piercing. Ashe's spear stance is more like slashing stance, but yeah, it's still weird for her to wield it like she's left-handed. It might be an error from the animation team. Monterossa (talk) 20:30, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
Dynast-Queen?[]
I know in the story the Occuria chose her to be the new Dynast-King, but in her case, should it be "Dynast-Queen? Yellowlightning1996 (talk) 14:26, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
- I suppose you might be right. But, as no official source makes use of the term, best to leave things as they are. These "false gods" indeed picked her as the next omnipotent ruler, But she declined. Rather forcefully. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 20:00, September 9, 2018 (UTC)