Due to the immense success of the "best hero" and "best villain" threads. I decided to post one flipping this concept and see what kind of contempt you all have for the characters of the series, I figured I would start with heroes since everyone is always complaining about one or another <cough>Vaan</cough>. To start I listed the same ones from the other heroes page. Feel free to add anyone you want, but, and I know only the most restrained of users will actually heed this, please keep it clean...or as clean has you actually can. Exdeath64 23:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Reasons Why the Fighter sucksEdit

"Der...Swords?"

—Fighter after taking one to many hits to the head due to lack of a helmet.

"Remember kids, always wear your bike helmets, unless you want to end up in a special hospital like him"

—Red Mage doing a PSA

1. He only cares for what HE thinks is right. Eventually, he'll unexpectedly defect to the dark side.
2. His white magic sucks!
3. Thieves do more damage then him
4. Is he blind? Seriously, look at his Dissidia pic and any cutscenes that show his face in YouTube that hasn't been deleted.
5. His upgraded class has a tiara.
6. Speaking of, Saint Seiya called they want that tiara back.
7. His accuracy sucks.
8. Sword-chucks, yo!
9. Having the intelligence of a small walnut does NOT count as a superpower.
10. He'll never understand what other people thinks.
11. That isn't really his personality.

Reasons Why Dune sucksEdit

"It's-a me, Mario!"

—Dune in Super Mario Land

1. No backstory.
2. In reality he's a boring person named Duane Zuwala.
3. Speaking of which, he's also an Italian plumber.

Reasons Why Black Mage sucksEdit

"FIRAGA!"

—Black Mage

"REFLECT!"

—Random Enemy

"*reaction censored*"

—Black Mage

"HADOKEN!"

—some particular Black Mage

"Its a short walk, so we won't run into a random encounter. Hell, they're random, aren't they? So how often could they possibly happen? Like once every couple of days at best, right? ... Geez, what's wrong with you guys? Its not like I did anything dangerous. All I did was take one little step forward. Like this! See, its perfectly harmless... A random encounter is a one-in-a-million chance. Besides, do you seriously think that monsters can just appear out of nowhere and attack us? There isn't even a thematic reason for them to fight us. Stories are about conflict. So if you expect random battles to occur without rhyme or reason, and for them to then have no impact on the story, well, then they're completely pointless."

—said particular Black Mage to the Party, before being crushed by a Giant, in 8-Bit Theatre, Episode 147, "On The Way Back", and Episode 148, "There's Just One Big Problem", dooming us all to an eternity of suffering

"Four White Mages? It'll never work!"

—That same Black Mage in episode 007.... pity he gets proven wrong...

"Oh goddamnit it"

—... In Episode 1221, after White mage gathered 3 other healing mages and KILLED CHAOS!

1. He's always the target from enemies.
2. Always dies.
3. Once he runs out of MP, he's useless.
4. The universe is out to hurt him.
5. He's a back stabber(literally).
6. Donald Duck is a Black Mage.
7. The Black Mage outfit has been done before.
8. He utters the loudest, longest and most epic profanity ever emitted by any final fantasy character.
9. He plays basketball(not a bad thing) ON A MARIO GAME!!
10. He's not a hero, he's a villain. Simple as.
11. He killed White Mage!
12. Okay, she got better, but its still the thought which counts.
13. His guide is wrong. 4 White Mages WORKED.
14. That isn't even his personality.

Reasons Why Red Mage sucksEdit

"EXCELSIOR!"

—Red Mage saying hello

1. Can't use Holy or Flare.
2. Versatile, yes. Good, not so much.
3. A mastery of animal husbandry is NOT a talent. It's just weird.
4. He shoves people in his A-Hole without any warning, bags of holding and such where not meant to be used for such things.
5. Black and White DO NOT make Red.
6. The costume looks like what an archer would wear.
7. Blue Mage ShadowFlare -> No flare.
8. He wears a pimp hat when clearly he/she/it is not a pimp
9. Has daddy issues that do not exist.
10. He doesn't even behave this way.

Reasons Why White Mage SucksEdit

1. Though useful in most games, healing is boring by nature.
2. They are He/she/it things.
3. She failed to save Black Belt.
4. The only useful spells they cast are cure spells
5. The fact that White Mages can be male makes manlier men look gay.
6. You're using the 8-bit theater personalities again.

Reasons Why Thief SucksEdit

1. Doesn't know how to steal until FFIII.
2. The Warrior easily outclasses the Thief.
3. As useful as having a KO'd character in battle. Seriously, even Black Mage is better than him.
4. Thiefs don't make good ninjas
5. Royally screwed himself over.
6. Cannot steal thing that are nailed down/on fire.
7. Didn't know how to escape in FFV.
8. His main stat, Luck, is completly useless in game.

Reasons Why Black Belt SucksEdit

1. Can't do magic.
2. He probably does things that we don't want to know about with his weapons.
3. His sense of direction is so bad he broke the space-time continuum.
4. Can't do magic.
5. Is worse armed than unarmed.

Reasons Why Firion sucksEdit

"I'm just trying to be Batman..."

—Firion

"Link!"

—Everyone else, including Batman

"In America"

— Firion doing his Bandit Keith voiceover tryout

1. He has so many weapons and can't use a gun.
2. The Blood Sword is weak.
3. Every other main character can use some sort of utterly devastating spell somehow, all he gets is the first Ultima spell, which bites a serious degree of ass.
4. He thinks he's Link, carrying all those weapons on him. But even he can't top Link.
5. His friends can do just as good as he does.
6. He got pwned by both Cloud and Sephiroth in Dissidia.
7. Scatch that he got pwned by EVERYONE in Dissidia.
8. He looks a bit like Bandit Keith in Yu-gi-oh
9. He Asks a lot
10. He manages to be even more emo than Cloud by actually cutting himself in mid-battle

Reasons Why Onion Knight sucksEdit

1. The name's Onion Knight...seriously?
2. His voice clips when attacking in Dissidia are retardedly silly. "Ohhh yeeeah!"
3. Who in their right minds will send a child into battle?
4. What is wrong with his hair in Dissidia?
5. For Dissida, he put superglue on hair and headbutted a bowl of Skittles.
6. If he encounters a fire enemy, he turns into a pile of funyuns
7. Has no backstory.
8. He thinks he can get grown up girls.
9. He sounds like Sora. Honestly people
10. He sobs after being defeated in a battle in Dissidia.
11. His Crystalized Manikin in Dissidia has the most annoying voice of them all
12. The Dark Warriors are infinitely better.

Reasons Why Luneth sucksEdit

1. He fell down a hole that can easily be avoided.
2. His in-game model looks like a girl. All of his job classes do too.
3. His unique armor is the weakest armor.
4. Bad attempt for a backstory.
5. He can't see a huge hole in the ground
6. Why is his facial expression so apathetic in all the art of his job classes?
7. He didn't even exist in the original game
8. Did I mention he fell down a large hole?

Reasons Why Cecil sucksEdit

"Okay, I just have to ask...Mom, how the HELL did I get conceived?"

—Cecil

"Well...let's see, I think I have some puppets for that...You see when a Mommy and a...."

—Cecil's Mom

"Oh GOD NO! I mean HOW is it possible? The sheer mechanics of it are mindboggling, Dad's a god-damn ALIEN! You two should not be able to reproduce! I mean...Oh bugger, I just went crosseyed"

—Cecil channeling Austin Powers

1. He doesn't keep his Dark Knight weapons after the class change and doesn't produce a clone.
2. He totes the power of darkness, and spends half the game bitching about it, real nice.
3. His most memorable aspect is...Changing "Jobs". You can do that in real life.
4. Unless you are in America.
5. He became stronger by taking off a Helm and putting on purple lip gloss.
6. Is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal, and while he doesn't suck, he does voices of emos; ie Haseo, Alucard, Sasuke, Derek Stiles. Which makes him sound ANNOYING.
7. Can't use Haste.
8. He gave up the strongest power in the game for white magic
9. The stale ass Half-Breed angle was tired well before Terra, but no one seems to notice in Cecil's case.
10. His father is an alien who abandoned him got killed by rioting humans for some reason.
11. He caused the death of his mother when he was born, and was abandoned by his brother.
12. Cecil x Kain will never be better than Sephiroth x *insert random male FFVII character here*
13. He tells the Black Mage and the White Mage of the group to fucking stay in the kitchen. Let's points the many flaws to this:

A: It's going to be pretty much a sausage fest. B: It's the White Mage's job to, uh I don't know... KEEP THEM ALIVE! C: Why in the HELL would you count on Edge to do anything more than eat dirt most of the time? D: You're going to be kicking yourself in the ass when you realize that MOST of the enemies in the Lunar Subterrane are vulnerable to Stop. Soul Nomad and the World Eaters - Demonboy007

Reasons why Kain Highwind sucks Edit

"...I may be a puppet...but once upon a time...YOU WERE TOO!"

—Kadaj

"Dude...wrong guy. You want the spiky haired emo a few blocks down"

—Kain.

"Which One?"

—Kadaj

"Er...big sword? Aloof personality?"

—Kain

"Narrow it down a little?"

—Kadaj

"Just yell "holy shit its Sephiroth" and see who reacts."

—Kain

1. Because. Just because.
2. People thinks he's so awesome but he's a confused man who betrays people, he can't get a girl, and he is a pawn. What's so badass about that?
3. Abel's Lance? (And even though it's my first name, even I think it's rediculous. ~ Pikmin Master)
4. We all know jump is an excuse to stay out of harms way!
5. He didn't do anything. All he did was be introduced, leave, show up again leave again and show up at the end.
6. His spear looks like a fork
7. His Holy Dragoon drawing.
8. FACT: Kain Highwind's Holy Dragoon drawing makes him look gay. Even moreso than the girly Paladin Cecil drawing. EDIT: Homophobia sucks.
9. I dare you to click to Kain's page and look at that drawing.
10. Brainwashing is the worst cop-out outside of "It was just a dream!" endings. - Lost Hero
11. Kain highwind facts suck big time.
12. He can use White Magic. Seriously, Cecil can use White Magic, Leonora can use White Magic, Fusoya can use White Magic, Izayoi, Edge, and Tsukinowa can use psudo-White Magic, Porom and Rosa are the best at White Magic. Even Ceodore can use White Magic. We don't need more! Especially from Kain! Next thing we'll know, Cid might use White Magic and we don't want THAT!
13. He's the first emo of the series!
14. Kain x Cecil will never be better than Sephiroth x *insert random male FFVII character here*
15. Because his Dissidia 012 character model is creepy. Nobodys chest moves like that when they breathe! AmbieSushi 18:16, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
16. Pink is not a "dark" color for a guy. Therefore, his dark Kain model is terrible too. AmbieSushi 18:16, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reasons Why Rydia sucksEdit

1. Whore
2. Name one summoner who dosent completely suck EDIT Umm...Rydia? Lol.
3. Kain highwind is hotter than her
4. Final fantasy IV
5. Her DS artwork. Specifically her icon.
6. She dosent learn anything useful until the games halfway point
7. Eiko didn't need to go through "Year Inside-Day Outside" program to be a good summoner.
8. Or Mage.

Reasons Why Ceodore sucksEdit

" DO YOU LOVE ME NOW DADDY, DO YOU LOVE ME?"

—Ceodore fighting a giant worm

" I have my parents with me! both! take that!"

—Ceodore making fun of almost all the other main characters

" Sorry son, but i'm the boss of this house and you are to young to have your own game!"

—Cecil stealing Ceodore protagonist's might

" Uh? way! come back! ahh nuts!"

—Ceodore realizing Ursula is gone and he is a idiot for no boned her

1. Stupid Name
2. Because unlike his dad, Ceodore is a sissy.
3. His ability Awaken increases his stats, yet they're still terrible afterwards
4. His hair is magically blue. Seriously, wtf.
5. Weaker version of his own dad, who is playable in his game.
6. Has two living parents. You can't be a good character if you don't have a sad and tragic backstory.
7. He could boned Ursula in subterrane B3 but he fails.
8. He is plot irrelevant and everything would still be the same if Cecil or Kain were the main characters.
9. He's a White Mage, while not necessarly a bad thing, it means he always dying when you need him the most.
10. Kain x Ceodore might technically be considered pedophilia even thought it's more logical than Cecil x Kain.

Reasons Why Izayoi sucksEdit

1. She is the worst character in the game, even worse than Edward and maybe Harley.
2. Her skill "Illusions" can confuse enemies. Whoop-dee-doo, as if we couldn't already do that with magic!
3. Her Ninjutsu focuses on healing people, but it will ultimately be worse than White Magic. How more trivial can she get?
4. Her class is 'Kunoichi' but that is about the same as a Ninja, so what the heck is the point? (EDIT: Kunoichi is a fancy way of saying "female ninja" Exdeath64 15:51, October 9, 2009 (UTC))
5. Aside from Ultimate Art: Advent of the Phoenix, the Eblan Four, including Izayoi, is pointless in battle compared to the main FFIV characters.

Reasons Why Bartz sucksEdit

1. Because his Japanese name is Butz, and he comes from Lix.
2. His name rhymes with "Farts". Hasn't anyone notice?
3. Because he is afraid of heights. End of story.
4. He spawned someone who shows off her undies.
5. His green shoes look like crap, especially in battle.
6. A bunch of his job costumes look like other people.
7. His hair resembles fighter's!
8. Instead of learning to do things by himself he copies others
9. He has three pretty ladies throwing themselves onto him (all royalty, btw) and he doesn't go after ANY of them (though going after Krile would be a bit creepy)
10. He couldn't protect ANY of the crystals!
11. He thoroughly enjoys poking defenseless turtles to see them retract in their shells.

Reasons why Faris sucksEdit

1. She's a pirate and the only thing going for her is that silly pirate talk.
2. She's terrible at pretending to be a guy
3. She doesn't keep her hot dress (which is in 2D, by the way).
4. She could've been more hotter than Rydia.
5. The only reason pirates don't suck because of her is because Jack Sparrow came along.
6. She's uglier as a blonde.
7. Her hair is purple
8. She became a pirate captain like Ash Ketchum obtained Gym badges i.e. luck and poppycock.

Reasons why Galuf sucksEdit

"Honey...get grandpa an elixir...NOW! Who knew tentacles where not always a good thing with this stuff..."

—Gaulf rapidly hemorrhaging blood as a result of hitting on Cloud of Darkness

"Oh cool! One more elixir and we get a free Phoenix Pinion!"

—An example of Krile being a CloudCookooLander.

1. That amnesia shit is overdone.
2. Being old and using awesome unstoppable tranquil fury always results in kicking the bucket.
3. He's an old pervert. Not that it has ever come up. (have you SEEN the best heroes/villains threads? Exdeath64 01:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC))
4. He was killed off by Exdeath - A Tree. ((EDIT: Why can't people learn? Exdeath's NOT a tree. He's a collection of evil souls-- The definition of Badass.))
5. He was utterly useless for most of the First World adventure.
6. He starts off with NO weapons.
7. He let himself die in front of his Sissy Crybaby Granddaughter
8. Have you seen his Dancer outfit? (OH GOD MY EYES!)

Reasons why Lenna sucksEdit

1. A better question would be "Why Lenna doesn't suck?".
2. Seriously, she only has, what, 3 weak excuses for reasons for why she doesn't suck.
3. The only person who sucks more than her is her replacement from Legend of the Crystals.
4. She's stupid. She practically suicided for a dragon and not remembered she did it afterwards.
5. She eats weed. Dumbass you're supposed to smoke it er I uh mean...
6. She values a dragons life more than her own... She almost DIED twice trying to save a stupid dragon! added by User:PictomancerWill

Reasons Why Krile sucksEdit

1. Can't fill in the huge and awesome shoes of the person she replaced. Not even close. That alone is more than enough reasons.
2. Because of her, girls like Relm and Selphie appeared.
3. She has an unnattractive ponytail, like every other female character drawn by Amano
4. Looks weak even as something fierce like a Berserker or Dragoon.
5. She's underage.

Reasons Why Gilgamesh sucksEdit

1. He's basically a weaker clone of General Grievous.
2. Wishes he was 2/3 God.
3. officially too many cameos without explanation.
4. He is clearly a super soldier project gone horribly wrong, a la Deadpool
5. Gets beaten everytime he has a cameo.
6. He's a Bartz wanna be
7. He's too cool.....what?
8. His icon to the right is his un-badass FFXI character.
9. During his EX Burst, his Excalipoor is more fun to use than his Excalibur
10. Uses the same tricks to try and fool you when near death.
11. Fuck this. Gilgamesh is too cool to be on this page.

1. Looks different every game.

Reasons why Celes sucksEdit

1. Leo's a much better General and character...he kicks more ass without Magic.
2. Despite her claims to the contrary, she is in fact an opera floozy
3. See Faris #3.
4. She let herself fall for a thief.
5. She looks like someone from West side story according to some
6. Looks like a season Opera singer but can become a seasoned Opera singer in a pinch to match? Really? REALLY?!
7. She's both a General and some love-starved twit.
8. She attempts suicide... and Failed!
9. Her Runic also absorbs healing spells. Kinda counter productive, yes?

Reasons why Edgar sucksEdit

"Well sir, your tests came back...You have Herpes, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and like six others modern medicine has never encountered before..."

—Edgar's doctor

1. No one really likes him. And those that do are only in it for the Dragoon bonus.
2. Didn't take lessons from Zelos Wilder(Tales of Symphonia)on picking up ladies.
3. He is secretly Jason Voorhees.
4. He probably tought Setzer how to more of a ladies' man in Kingdom Hearts II.
5. Using those tools he uses can't be fit for a king.
6. He hits on every girl in the game and they all think he's a loser.
7. Except Relm. Which makes him a Pedophile. EDIT: He does actually hit on Relm. >_>
8. He hits on a little girl

Reasons why Sabin sucksEdit

"Move over Weiss I got your pecs"

— Sabin on his crush

1. The Blitzes are hard to master. And that's all he's good for.
2. He may be Goku, but doesn't come close.
3. Needs more Shoryuken
4. A REAL hadoken has nothing to do with holy power. Period.
5. He can suplex a train, but he can't suplex Kefka from moving the statues.
6. A Hadoken? Seriously?
7. More accurately, a Kamehameha? Seriously?
8. His looks here ->, reminds me of a certain chicken-wuss.

Reasons Why Terra sucksEdit

"What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more"

—Terra

1. Some people seem to think the only thing good about her is her super-powerful half-breed biology...and they squeal like it's never been done.
2. Its technically bestiality if you do her (unless you're already an half-Human, half-Esper, in which you're lucky.)
3. And as such, You can beat the game without ever getting her back in the party.
4. Her survival at the end was complete Deus Ex Posterior.then again...
5. Pedophilia saved her life.
6. If someone had a dime for everytime she was insecure over something, they would be a millionaire.
7. She spends nearly the whole game wanting love and when she finally gets it, it weakens her.

The following is due to Dissidia ruining her character.

1. She runs away a lot in Dissidia along with OK, and doesn't face Exdeath, the slowest character in the game.
2. She spends nearly the whole game wanting love and when she finally gets it, it weakens her.
3. She takes orders from a child in Dissidia, and when she isn't she is taking orders from Kefka.

4. She is always crying about something.

Reasons Why Cloud sucksEdit

"I just figured the real reason why Cloud wants revenge on Sephiroth."

—Tifa

"We know. It's because of Seph treating Cloud like a puppet."

—Vincent

"ACTUALLY, Sephiroth Rockroll'd Cloud multiple times."

—Tifa

"LOL!"

—Cecil, Firion, and Tidus

"There's not a thing I don't cherish!"

—Cloud

"...Seriously? Is that in the script?"

—Sephiroth

"Yup, see, right here - "There's not a thing I don't cherish""

—Cloud

"LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"

—Sephiroth

1. He imitated Zack, and not even well.
2. Failed to save his woman.
3. Failed to be a SOLDIER.
4. Failed to save the world several times, and still has yet to succeed completely several years after the game has finished!!!!
5. He's too dependent on Sephiroth in order to be even mildly popular.
6. He has every single mental issue known to man, and then some! Come on, lets count - amnesia, identity crises, existential crises, uncontrollable seizures, multiple personality disorder, geostigma, post traumatic stress and many more.
7. His hair is stupid looking, and blond. See a trend?
8. He had 2 girls who were pretty much begging for him. He let 1 die, and he completely ignores the other one.
9. He at some point was able to go on a date with 3 girls. He went out with a big black man named Bubba Barret.
10. He is insanely over-powered, and he still cant kill his arch-enemy.
11. Firing an energy wave from a sword is a super special Limit for Cloud. For almost every "Tales" game protagonist it's like the first move they acquire.
12. His sword is overcompensating for something, without a pair of balls.
13. He uses a sword that 2 other guys use before him and someone else can use it better.
14. His mind keep turning to pudding when ever he even touches mako, yet if Tifa or Zack do exactly the same, they don't even seem fazed. Heros don't need to be pushed around in wheelchairs.
15. Still couldn't top Yugi in the contest of who gets the craziest hair.
16. He was defeated by a girl who don't know what love is.
17. Forever to be unfairly compared to a guy who originally had about 5 minutes of screen time, most of it was optional.
18. He had to cut his hair so it would fit on screen for the remake
19. Even AFTER he defeated Sephiroth in FF7, he then fought Sephiroth inside his own mind again at the ending, "won" that battle, and then spent every other game/movie he appeared in fighting Sephiroth AGAIN. You have a big sword. USE it!
20. Cloud was born a bastard child in a hick town, was ignored by all the kids, never got half a look from the girl next door - Tifa, when he tried to go on a date with her she wound up getting injured and the whole town blamed him for it because they are hicks, decides to join SOLDIER but can't even do that, gets his town burned down (though they were hicks) and his mother killed, watches Tifa and best friend get almost freakin' ripped in two by Sephiroth, then is thrown into a horrifying experiment which makes his mind infected with the cells of an evil alien and gives him a split-personality disorder along with repeated seizures, then watches his new girlfriend get impaled, and then turns out to be under the control of his arch-nemesis... And yet he's a hero?! Yeah, great reasoning.
21. Somehow he is even more emo than Squall
22. He's a whiny little emo punk who spend half of the game moping around, complaining about how he failed to save Aerith, or how someone got hurt, or some other insignificant BS. It's a friggin' war!! What did he expect to happen!? Plus he also took his best friend's identity, except for his name and his past (up until Nibelheim)! Not even Cloud wants to be Cloud!
23. He killed Aerith. SERIOUSLY THIS IS NO JOKE! There is an entire video on youtube that can prove this beyond all doubt.[1]
24. He has way too many doubts.
25. "Secret summon RAGAHIMADADOODOODAA" (who would of thought it's real?)

Reasons why Aerith sucksEdit

1. see #.4 of "reasons why Auron sucks"
2. Over-rated Mary Sue
3. Virtually useless battle wise
4. Seriously, worse than a KO'ed character.
5. Her Limit breaks can't deal damage, thus they are the worst in game.
6. Her theme sucks big time
7. Promiscous slut.
8. Cloud is prettier than her.
9. Yuffie makes a better love intrest.
10. She can't get a man.
11. Her "Ancient powers" were a load of BS.
12. Her name means "earthly". Where did i heard that before?
13. She can't fight.
14. She's dead when you need her most.
15. Yet she still doesn't shut up.
16. Fanboys are still bitching about the Aeris/Aerith thing. Why don't they just get a life.
17. Is actually more of a whore than Tifa in the original FFVII. SERIOUSLY.
18. American voice actress is awful, well except for KHI and CC but that's beside the point.
19. All she can do in battle is heal, and she loses even that little advantage if you give her materia to Red XIII and let him master it.
20. Useless airhead. Terra may also be an airhead, but at least Terra can kick ass when need be.
21. There were other deaths in FFVII.
22. Josef, Ricard, Doga, Aria, Tellah, and Leo died a better death before her. What makes her so special?
23. She's completely useless, no matter how you put it. She's an acceptable mage with too little MP, and her Physicals can barely hurt a single HP Uppfinnarn 17:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

1. Well at least she has an original theme tune... oh wait... Diamond Dragoon 19:26, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Reasons why Tifa sucksEdit

1. She is just porn fodder
2. Japanese sex doll
3. Personality of a Twilight character.
4. Old whore.
5. Isn't as pretty as Cloud.
6. Could have avoided a lot of drama in VII had she not sat there and went "What? Oh, ok."
7. Was trained by a chump, compared to the likes of Yang and Duncan.
8. Got beaten up by a silver haired momma's boy who was as gay as Sephiroth.
9. The only reason she wins fights is because of her huge gazongas, Sephiroth and the white-haird pretty boys were able to resist due to their gayness.
10. Then she got a boobjob (the bad kind) in Advent Children.
11. They were also fake to begin with.
12. She doesn't wear a bra under her outfit in Advent Children.The sluttiness just wont go away.
13. In the original "time with cloud" scene in FF7, they both "spent some time" together in the Chocobo stable in the Highwind. Oh Tifa, you barnyard slut you...Cloud was the reciever and she had the strap-on.
14. She really got into *sigh*...a slap fight. Instead of you know just punching Scarlett's lights out.
15. Keeps chasing after a guy that would rather hang out with a dead girl than her.
16. Suspenders and a skirt? She's just trying to figure out extra ways to yang up her skirt, isn't she?
17. Nearly killed several times by at least two different white haired pretty boys, Just to be saved by a white haired pretty boy.
18. She knows she's going to end up fighting giant mechanical war machines and still isn't smart enough to bring a weapon. Even Aeris brings a Stick to fight with. "Yeah Tifa, punch the tank. That'll help."

Reasons Why Vincent sucksEdit

"BELLA!"

—Vincent

"Uh... Who?"

—Cloud

"Uhh I mean... LUCRECIA!"

— Vincent, confused after reading Twilight too much

1. Took him about 30 years to get of his ass to take action for the tragedies that happened in his life.
2. He's even more emo the Cloud if you can believe it.
3. He's the only FFVII character who has one Limit for each level
4. He has the lowest overall stats out of all the characters in his game (Yes, even Cait sith and Arieth)
5. Most people find him incredibly hard to unlock
6. He was knocked out by Hojo. Hojo!
7. If Vincent didn't lose to Hojo, he wouldn't get Lucrecia and we wouldn't have to deal with little Sephiroth.
8. Guns always suck in the series, and he gets nothing but. He has a god-damn claw! Why cant you use that!
9. Probably read a LOT of Twilight.
10. Either he read alot of Twilight, or he was the inspiration to Twilight.
11. Has about 10 minutes of backstory to him, which is still more than Cait Shit and Yuffie. Considering those two suck, that's not much of an achievement
12. He's the most emo of the emo in all of emo world
13. Is a less likable pansy compared to Yuri of Shadow Hearts.
14. Ruined his coolness by going emo in Dirge of Cerberus.
15. Woman ditches him for an old crazy dude, they make a baby, she experiments on her baby: Vincent not only blames himself but he still loves her. What is this I don't even.

Reasons why Red XIII sucksEdit

1. Far too many to mention.
2. Not a person.
3. Yoshikata Amano artwork shows cloud riding him.
4. His subplot would have been WAY too confusing AND too stupid.
5. No one likes him.
6. His strength is determined by a FEATHER on his head. Are you kidding me?
7. his limit breaks are subpar
8. He let Cait Sith ride on his back!

Reasons Why Squall sucksEdit

"Okay okay, the Gunblade was a bad idea, me and the guys started doing sake bombs at the office, we got out pictionary, and next thing I knew we had a 3D render"

—Tetsuya Nomura

1. Using a weapon that doesn't even fire projectiles gives him more Accuracy than the Sharpshooter on his team.
2. He a whiny emo!
3. FFVIII (?)
4. May be deaf or dumb or more likely both.
5. He arrived after VII, and is constantly thought of as a poor man's Cloud.
6. Worse than Cloud, by the way.
7. Paine was made because of him
8. His scar makes him look more emo
9. He only has one aerial move in Dissidia and it's not even long-ranged (ehem..two to be exact,rough divide is long range)
10. He's too emo.
11. Look at his picture above. It looks like he's trying to fuck the gunblade
12. He got that scar from Seifer. SEIFER!
13. He overuses his belts
14. He has the best finisher in the game, but he usually decides to use his shitty 1st level finisher
15. Leather pants? Are you fucking kidding me?
16. People think Cloud and that sucka with the impractically long Masamune are compensating for something. Take a look at Blasting Zone and ask who's really compensating for something.
17. May be a closet homosexual or socially handicapped or more likely both.
18. Has the worst backstory of any FF hero. "MY SIS LEFT ME ALONE!!! I MUST BE ALONE FOREVER BAWWWW QQ" (that was a little too much.)
19. is friends with Zell which makes him suck five times more than he normally would have.
20. his dialouge besides occasionally saying a word or five consists of "..." "Go talk to a wall" and "Whatever."
21. When a whip-using hot blonde teacher threw herself at him, he told her to go talk to a wall and decided to go for the sweet innocent girl.
22. His girlfriend is RINOA.
23. Squall strangely is more Stupid once he believes in The Power of Friendship!
24. We liked Leon better when he appeared in Final Fantasy II.
25. His character was ruined in Kingdom Hearts, along with pretty much every other FF character that shows up there.
26. He's gay for Kefka. KEFKA FOR GOD SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!
27. Always complains that he doesn't want the responsibility of being the leader, yet always readily accepts being the leader. + You know you are worth nothing as a man when someone like Rinoa is the one who clearly wears the pants. He's a sucker who does everything she commands.

Reasons Why Zidane sucksEdit

"There is only room for ONE thieving monkey-thing in popular culture!"

—Sun Wukong

"Oh come off it you old fart, times change!"

—Zidane

"Oh that does it!(Bashes Zidane with Ruyi Jingu Bang)"

—Sun Wukong

1. He wields two knives and can't do two attacks.
2. Reminds me of a certain gentleman thief
3. Despite being a RPG main character, he's the least useful member of the party. (except stealing)
4. He touches asses without given permission. PERVERT!
5. His character and origins are eerily similar to Son Goku of DragonBall.
6. If you pull on his tail, he loses all of his power
7. He turns into a pink furry.
8. He's pretty normal. And apparently being a well-adjusted character is frowned upon nowadays.
9. If he sees the moon he'll turn into a great ape
10. For some reason a clumsy stubby mage and an adult wearing full armor AND carrying a teenage girl outran him.
11. HE IS A MONKEY!!!
12. His supersaiyan transformation fails to deliver
13. Eventually his weakest trance attacks deal the same kind of power as his most powerful trance attacks. So whats the point?
14. Monkeys don't use Daggers and swords, they use Blunt things to bludgeon with!
15. He a monkey, so he'll throw his pink glowing poo at you.
16. A protagonist that choose to be a Thief and not a Warrior.
17. His English voice actor SUCKS!
18. He has this ... thing as a brother. [2]
19. When he's not chasing girls, he can be seen chasing his own tail on occasions.
20. He occasionally scratches his butt, how can any girl stand that?

Reasons Why Tidus sucksEdit

"This is my story."

—Tidus

"We know.JUST SHUT UP ALREADY!"

—The main cast of FFX

"Yeah you're annoying me.(get's sliced by Auron)What the fuck was that for?!"

—Galuf

"How do you say your name?"

—Yuna

"I'm not really sure."

—Tidus

"You mean I'm going out with a crybaby stripper who doesn't know his own name"

—Yuna

"How could you say that?"

—Tidus sobbing into his hands

"I don't know how I'm his dad."

—Jecht

"I always thought he was adopted.I feel sorry for you"

—Zidane

"That's coming from the perverted guy with a tail and an ugly thing like Kuja for a brother"

—Jecht

"I resent that! I represent the pinnacle of elegance!"

—Kuja

"Yeah, whatever... *cough*THONG!*Cough*..."

—Jecht

1. He cries a lot.
2. James Arnold Taylor, essentially why people hate Tidus in a nutshell.
3. No-one knows how to pronounce his name.
4. He never went explorin with wakka today
5. He never told anyone about Sin being his daddy, but makes a lot of noises when finding out the other didn't tell him that Yuna will die after defeating Sin.
6. His thoughts are annoying.
7. He spends half the bloody game in front of a campfire narrating his life in Spira to people who WHERE THERE FOR IT! (Uh actually he was narrating for you, the audience... I always imagined in a book or a sphere or something.)
8. Gets hand-me-down swords. The rest are just powerups.
9. Three words: The "laughing scene".
10. He walks as if he's captioned in slow-motion
11. He was a moron before coming too close to Sin
12. He returned in FFX-2, Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia.
13. "You don't need to think!"
14. He's a figment of the Fayths' imagination.

Reasons Why Auron sucksEdit

"Yes, I know you saw me use my other arm. I don't care."

—KH Auron

1. He's a grumpy, irate and cryptic middle-aged man, and people think he's so awesome. Cyan's alot less aloof and appraochable and yet so many people think he's such a ass of a character.
2. He drinks during his attacks. Do not slaughter fiends under the influence of alcohol. Haven't you seen the PSA's?
3. Too overrated.
4. He's dead for goodness sakes. Im sorry but thats never a good thing.
5. Has anybody noticed that he shaves his armpits? Girly man!
6. He's a little bit TOO awesome, OH NO AWESOME OVERLOAD!!!!!!!!!!

Reasons why Yuna sucksEdit

1. Rikku, Lulu, and Auron...and to a much less extent Tidus up until a point.
2. She changed her job into something actually even more useless than before.
3. FF X-2
4. No sane person could actually want to become a summoner, right?
5. But to top this insanity... she even considers to become Seymours wife just to talk to him. Well, that's really creepy.
6. It's fucking hard to level her, because she's so total useless in battle.
7. Her FFX outfit let her look fat.
8. A perfect example of Balthier #5.
9. Gun Mage?
10. Couldn't even say Tidus' name, it ain't hard. T.. a T..Teh..eye..dus
11. According to the instruction booklet, she's supposed to be the main character, but she gave it up to Teh..ee...dus.
12. She falls for teh..ee..dus
13. Again, the laughing scene.
14. Whereas most summoners have 1 or 2 guardians, she had 5 in the end.
15. Seriously, how much more of a "Damsel in distress" can you possibly be? Oh yeah... Garnet
16. Somehow, thanks to Yuna, Tidus wasn't the worst character in FF X-2.
17. Wasn't so bad in X, but looked like a bitch in X-2.
18. If she says "I'm sorry" one more time...!

Reasons why Paine sucksEdit

1. Some RPGs have a whole casts without the obligatory stern, stoic sandbag. This is why X-2 is not an example of said RPGs.
2. Have you checked her wrists lately?
3. She probably has every STD known to man.
4. Her name really isn't all that scary.
5. She is a Terrible rip off of an alredy terrible character.
6. FFX_2
7. She's essentually a female Squall
8. She-male 'nuff said

Reasons why Shantotto sucksEdit

"SPIRITS ARE ALWAYS WITH YOU! BWAHAHA!"

—Shantotto trying a new laugh.

"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but wooden staves and Stone spells will definately kill you!"

—Shantotto

1. She's not playable.
2. She's in Final Fantasy XI, nuff said.
3. She got into Dissidia instead of Kain, Balthier, or even Gilgamesh! Grrr...
   1. Except Gilgamesh made it into Duodecim. But that was too late.
4. She's like three feet tall, if Chaos steps on her, she's screwed.
5. No one would date her due to craziness.
6. She refuses to admit when someone is better than her.
7. Her haughty laughter is annoying.
8. Talks in rhyme. Seriously?
9. She's short enough to drop kick if she gets overly annoying
10. She never gives anyone better than a B-....
11. She's a dwarf like with gayish make-up. Holla Nigga
12. That top quote is blatantly stolen from Bleach

Reasons Why Vaan sucksEdit

1. Is there actually a more annoying character? He starts off relevant to the story then just turns into a whiny little tag-along (although i suppose he was whiny in the first place). I mean, Tidus was a little queer boy but i think Vaan brings a new level to it. (he also has the best overall stats...)
2. One of the only characters who is hated just because he's not very important.
3. He's Michael Jackson with a bad haircut, and no singing or dancing.
4. His stomach is disgusting
5. Basch lives!
6. Don't listen to Ondore's lies!
7. He's Captain Basch!
8. He's Captain Basch fon Rosenburg of Dalmasca!
9. He was dumb enough to get his airship destroyed within the first 10 minutes of revenant wings.
10. Seriously, what's wrong with wearing a shirt?
11. Like Zidane #7. But to a greater degree and more hate.
12. Basically Lenna #1, except replace Lenna with Vaan.
13. His girlfriend.
14. He named the Ultimate blade of the gods Anastasia. He could have named something like something badass like WingSlayer or SkyAvenger but he had to name it Anastasia
15. Most new partymembers instantly disliked Vaan. Most new gamers to FFXII disliked Vaan. Coincidence?
16. Is in the same game with the person whose name sounds like the worst character in Pokemon. No one likes Vaan. No one likes Ash. Coincidence?
17. He's not as cool as Jaster Rogue. Yes, he sucks more than a walking cliché.
18. His voice manages to achieve a level of monotony not seen since Squall.
19. He is a blatant rip-off of Aladdin. And not even a good one.
20. He auditioned for the role of Aladdin, and ended up being Jasmine.
21. He somehow looks and sounds better in Dissidia than in his own game.
22. He doesn't have any connection to the main plot of the game. And his face is girly, with the pink cheeks and all.
23. He puts his blush on make up before entering a Battle like a gay.
24. Looks like Ellen Degeneres with fake abs.

Reasons why Basch sucksEdit

1. His twin ruined his life and suddenly, he starts to look like him: armor, hair, everything.
2. In addition to that, his twin stole his Quickenings (and appearence chances) in Dissidia, although they're a bit different.
3. I know he's sorta a vagabond escapee, but the f*** is he wearing?
4. He got shafted, thanks to fangirls...apparently.
5. He's basically Vin Diesel with a wig.
6. Was only important for the first and last bits of the game.

Reasons why Balthier sucksEdit

"My shot is faster, or my name's not Balthier."

—Balthier

"Uhh...it isn't."

—Vaan

"Yep, it's Ffamran!"

—Doctor Cid

"Dude, seriously?"

—Luso

"Well, my friend. I believe you hath lied. And PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS THIS "DUDE" YOU SPEAK OF, LUSO?"

—Ramza

"Dad, not in front of my allies, can't you go play with your gas-ball?"

—Balthier

"Mist ball, thank you."

—Venat

1. He speaks with a dry english accent, has a viera sidekick, and is clearly a player. This adds up to but one thing, he is Austin Powers.
2. NOT the leading man (but then again, who in FFXII was?).
3. He and his bland sidekick couldn't even intimidate Vaan.
4. The shoes he wears in XII can't be comfortable...
5. Vincent #9 without the claw.
6. Overrated, but the voice does not lie.
7. He never even as much as touches Fran's butt. I hope that closet is comfortable enough for him.
8. Talk about overcompensating for something. [look right]
9. Has an annoying amount of annoying fangirls/boys. Reminds me of a certain dragoon.
10. Vaan has better stats than him.
11. Like all other playable characters, he has a weird running motion. Flail those arms much?
12. Used to be a judge. So where's your badass armor?
13. Doesn't look good with any other weapon except guns.
14. Know-it-all.
15. Tight pants. Trying to show something off?

Reasons why Reddas sucksEdit

1. Some men can do Pink...Reddas can't.
2. He blew up an entire country, turning it into a wasteland YOU have to trudge through to get some rare swag.
3. If he dual-wields, then that must mean single-handed battling is weak for him.

Reasons why Ashe sucksEdit

"I can't believe my name sounds like that man lady"

—Adelle

"Well, be grateful your name doesn't sound like the worst character in Pokemon!"

—Ashe

1. Would have made some dumb decisions if not for a certain "Main" Character there to show her otherwise. Take that Haters!
2. You KNOW at some point she is going to get overthrown for simply being too annoying.
3. Sees dead people.
4. She's a princess. Doesn't that just say everything?
5. She slapped Basch in the face. How rude. So mean...
6. All she is after is enough power to mess up the empire. Vengeance so not suits a lady.
7. In order to leave Bhujerba she first tries to steal Balthiers airship then after this plan doesn't work out so well she make him kidnap her. How low can you possibly go?
8. Garnet already did it. (see above)
9. She never gets naked
10. You all know what her name sounds like
11. Her father's REAL last name was Ketchum
12. No matter how she runs or jumps or whatever her undies never get exposed. I mean, how did she do that?!
13. Oh, so many reasons: Future queen; dresses like a streetwalker. Pretends to be strong and independent; begs to be kidnapped. Creates the Resistance partly to avenge her recently dead husband; hopes to seduce Balthier (when that fails, she mentions how much she misses Baschy-Basch and wants him by her side, 1 year after slapping him hard across the face).

Reasons why Larsa sucksEdit

1. He's a stupid excuse for a drug dealer.
2. He's a prince and he resorts to drug dealing?
3. He looks, acts, and talks like a woman.
4. IT'S A TRAP!!! (See above statement.)
5. OH NO! A TRAP IT IS!
6. Healing aside, he's useless.
7. Wait, WTF, She's NOT a Woman?
8. He's Kuja No.2~!

Reasons Why Lightning sucksEdit

1. The template for her design is a "Female Cloud". C'mon!
2. Even her name seems to remind you of Cloud. Very subtle.
3. Her name also reminds you of a certain red car...
4. Her real name is the same as a certain character from a certain anime character who is weak until she puts on lipstick, and then magically becomes super strong.
5. Far too absorbed in her mission and WAY too obsessive over her sister. Besides, she suddenly goes from wanting to save cocoon, to ruining the government, to saving it, then ends up trashing Orphan and ruining the government. And just for the record, #7: I know what show you're talking about, and the lipstick is a mental inhibitor put into place by hypnotic suggestion. She did it so she would smash the GOTT headquarters and everywhere else she went by just walking around. And her name is CLAIRE, people. Not Éclair.

Reasons why Vanille SucksEdit

1. Disturbing Eidolon summon scene.
2. Is basically one of those extremely sexual characters.
3. Annoying personality.
4. All the stupid noises she makes in battle.
5. Possesses a voice and mannerism that Yuffie, Selphie, Eiko and Rikku would cringe to.
6. Airhead.
7. Lies about EVERYTHING.
8. Angsts about stuff that isn't even her fault.
9. Because of her, Fang is so one-dimensional and shallow.
10. Let's see: Coward? Check. Lies to her best friend? Check. Encourages Hope to blame Snow for the death of his mother, even though it wasn't his fault at all? Check. Lies again? Check. More lies? Check. Suicidal? Double Check! Has the nerve to lie for a fourth time? Yup, check. Goes for suicide one more time and succeeds, becoming some sort of hero? Check. Let's not forget that she's a failed attempt at fanservice and has an incredibly annoying Australian accent in the English dub. Did I forget anything?

Reasons why Ramza sucksEdit

1. To put it bluntly, he's a sucka. Plain and simple.
2. He doesn't have an exact birth date.
3. His final sprite looks rediculous.
4. He's Lawful Stupid.
5. He has clearly been castrated at some point in his life.
6. Another example of Larsa #3, just with even less excuse.
7. The Church hates him. Not without good reason, but still...
8. Wait a sec... that's a man...?

1. If you change his name, in the cutscene the charater talk to someone that not exist

Reasons why Marche sucksEdit

1. Because he ruined the world everyone fantasize.
2. He could've ruled the world, but he chose not to.
3. He was thought to be a girl by many people.
4. He follows a stupid Law System when he fights.
5. He's a noob.
6. Considering the fact that he went against his friends and destroyed the world that made them better off, he's technically more of a bad guy.
7. He tricked you into thinking he's the good guy.

Reasons why Montblanc sucksEdit

1. He wouldn't even fight something he wants revenge for. (It could've have been worse if the crew Made Yiazmat not immune to any elements)
2. LOW STATS No wonder people would rather kill him at the Jagd.
3. He couldn't ride on Chocobos.
4. He bosses people around instead of trying to fight himself (at FFXII).
5. He makes fangirls emit that annoying "Squee" sound.
6. The fact that Montblanc could sometimes be a dumbshit seems to be a few propellers short of an airship.

Reasons why Ezel sucksEdit

1. The only things he's good for are cheap cards and that sleeping move.
2. Alchemy does not work in real life.
3. He probably watches Yu-Gi-Oh! GX.
4. In FFTA2, he had to have someone get an item for him!!
5. He's pretty much the Urahara of Ivalice with a different pimp hat.
6. Eeyore's older brother.

Reasons why Luso sucksEdit

1. Why would a mushroom be a hero?
2. He appeared in a game before his main game appearence.
3. He looks like Portugal threw up on him (the fuck? -.-)
4. He follows a stupid Law System when he fights.
5. He somewhat slower than any average unit.
6. His game's story is a BAD copy of "the Neverending Story". The Neverending Story was already bad. Imagine the game's story.
7. His game needs a copy of FFXII's Judges in order to look somewhat good.
8. He makes Sora seem badass.

Reasons Why Kaze sucksEdit

1. His regular gun never works.
2. His Magun needs the useless characters in order to work.
3. His English voice pisses the fans off.
4. It moved!

Reasons Why Kumo sucksEdit

1. Albino Clouds won't do any good.
2. If he kisses you, you're dead.

Reasons Why Lisa sucksEdit

1. The reason she's here is for the backup that Kaze doesn't really need.
2. "Pacifist" is the worst surname ever.

Reasons why Benjamin sucksEdit

1. He's in the wrong game. If MQ was better, he might have a chance.
2. He's the "Dan Hibiki" of Final Fantasy.
3. Instead of showing emotional depth like other FF characters, he just shrugs whenever the story gets complicated (well, complicated for Mystic Quest, anyway).

Reasons why Sora sucksEdit

1. His story is overused.
2. His weapon is an oversized lock opener that isn't sharp enough to qualify as a sword.
3. Not a Final Fantasy character.
4. His origins lie in a chance meeting of two execs on an elevator.
5. Basically Larsa #3 with bigger pants...and shoes.
6. He spawned someone better than him.
7. He spawned someone who would eventually rearrange his memories.
8. He accidently spawned his childish fantasies with Kairi given human form.
9. Reason 6 is somehow in love with reason 7 and in some way, reason 8.
10. His game is WAY too confusing.
11. To become whole again, he needs to absorb a dual wielding pimp.
12. His nobody fights better than him.
13. He was a hell of a lot cooler when his name was Sion Barzahd.
14. Fanboys think him a good candidate for a future Dissidia title. In case you're thick, he's not.

CommentsEdit

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 00:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
		Don't take this the wrong way, but are you like the embodiment of being dense or something..? =_=; Has this entire incident completely slipped your mind, especially considering it specifically mentioned not creating exactly this kind of thread in this forum?

Come on, this would at least be interesting to see, and everyone is already quite vocal about their opinions of certain characters (and there are already a few negative comments on the other heroes page, mostly about Kefka resembling the joker and Sephiroth...well, the less said about Sephiroth the better, and this has yet to start a war, if it had, I would not of done that), I am just trying to get people to evaluate and examine what they think about characters. I simply thought I would combine two already popular ideas, the evaluation threads, and people complaining about characters, could you just leave it up for a while and see what happens? Most people will just ignore it anyway. Oh, and if you have a problem with my ideas, that is fine, I am willing to listen if you are civil about it (I actually have an entire column based around social science and I constantly promote debate regarding my topics, I have had a few good ones), but I am not now, nor have I ever been stupid. (barring massive head injury, which may happen at some point). (and while I am at it, I have already made my opinions on that one thread quite clear, I will not become a mindless bureaucrat who never has any fun with this site. Admittedly the age of the casual user seems to be dying out, but it will be a cold day in hell before you lot get rid of me. I have done nothing wrong, and will continue to use this wiki until life dictates otherwise.). I await rebuttal, debating with you lot is actually quite interesting, there are a lot of intelligent people on here who's ideas contrast mine. Life gets boring if you never have anyone call you on anything. My apologies for the rant. Exdeath64 00:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 01:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
		Oh God... Okay, I'll keep this reeeeally simple for you: Your thread is breaking the rules, expect to have it blocked and/or removed (I'm leaving the honours to Faethin, since he seems to enjoy this kind of stuff). If you really insist on making a thread like this, make it here, as per the rules.

then explain why we have two or three others like this that have yet to be banned? I am not saying they should be (and if they where I would raise some serious, whist abiding by the wiki policy, hell about it) but it is a legitimate question. Exdeath64 01:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 01:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
		My best bet would be because the wikia staff is still thinking of the proper way to go about it, and with everone being in different timezones, it's a slooooow process, especially since there's no catalyst to help the process along. So I'm assuming the common consesus for the moment is to leave the old threads be and just prevent new ones from spawning until the staff figures out what exactly to do. But since you raise a valid point, I guess I might as well become the needed catalyst and organize a party to clear out the forum. Sounds like fun, no..?

You might wish to rethink that. How many users do you think that would piss off? My guess is a majority, or at least enough to be a royal pain in the arse would dislike you removing all "inappropriate" threads? And honestly, who keeps this thing running? Users do, users like me, like most of the site community. Exdeath64 01:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 01:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
		Oh hai, maybe we haven't met, I'm the guy who doesn't give a crap about what the people here think of me, remember? =D If people get pissed, it's because they are being petty. We offer an offsite alternative for this kind of threads. If people can't be bothered to click one single link to go to that site, then obviously making/replying to the thread isn't that important to them. So why would should something that isn't considered all that important to someone clog up the RC list for everyone else? However, here's the middle-ground I'm willing to offer. If you can make it so that edits to the forum space by default do not show up on the RC, I don't see why you can't keep these off-topic threads. I'll even create an offtopic forum for you and take full responcibility for it. But until then, no dice.

Hm? Hot DAMN! Finally someone actually listens. I accept your challenge! I will be creating a thread on this so I might get other user input on how best to solve this. You should not object since it actually has something to do with wiki policy, right? Exdeath64 01:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 01:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
		Indeed, the thread would be relevant to the wiki and thus fits the requirements for being on this forum, so go right ahead.

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 00:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
		Hm... I think we need some pictures.

Pics would definably be nice, and so would a few other heroes... maybe White Mage or Black Belt or Theif, for example. perhaps even Locke or Rinoa...--Gerdat14 03:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Toss em in if you want. Exdeath64 01:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Erm, is it just me, or one of Baltier's "reasons": "He is Austin powers", is more of a complement than an insult. Jamiemitsu 10:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think what the person meant is that Balthier is a "James Bond wanabe". Kuzlalala Squee! 11:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - {{{time}}}
		If you ask me, I think so far, this is getting good. All we need now is some more pics and quotes.

Added reasons 4 to 7 for Vincent. YAY! I feel important! Jamiemitsu 14:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 18:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
		Cloud is still the worst hero!

Hm, this is the only thread I have started which has even been remotely successful. <joke> And it all started with me annoying the living hell out of the staff...my work here is done...hehehe. </joke>Exdeath64 19:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 16:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
		Well, the pictures are (sort of) done. The ones left have already been used in the best hero thread. Now all this thread needs is quotes.

Thy will be done. Exdeath64 17:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 20:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
		Nice.

Michelrpg: I need to say this.. I saw the name and I had to. It seems nobody else did. "Ezel" means "Donkey" in my native language (dutch). And what is that other word for "Donkey" again? Riiight...nuff said! By the way, are we only talking about "heroes", or is this about general partymembers as well? Because seriously, Cait Sith/Quina/Dagger/Eiko/Penelope HAVE to be on this list...

When in doubt, follow the "rule of funny", this is not a serious thread. If they are fairly prominent (We dont need a section for every NPC) and you have something pretty humorous, go nuts. Exdeath64 00:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

		Dragoon Knight - He who fights further TALK - 9:38
		Heh, well this is intresting. Vaan and Luneth are about the most random protagonists in the Final Fantasy series. Luneth is around the worst...

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 10:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
		Every time I see the Basch picture, I keep wanting to change it. Probably to one of his macho in-game images, with the caption "Hulk SMASH!", or possibly "By the power of Grayskull!"

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 16:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
		I was just about to change the image anyway, but if you can do better than what is posted now, be my guest and change it.

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 08:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
		I think someone should change the comment/quote on Montblanc's picture. Unless it's funny enough... Edit: Last time I checked, isn't Ashe pronounced as "Ashay"?

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 16:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
		I wish it was. Check Cutscene 38 on YouTube.

		Tycuro aka bluebolt - I will use your attacks against you! TALK - 03:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		Red mage! Just look at him with his dice! He can't use Flare.. but I can use ShadowFlare! Ahaha!

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 19:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
		I wanted to change the caption on Ramza's image, with the implication that he uses the sword (rapier?) to... commit acts upon his person, or reminds him of Delita, for similar reasons, but I couldn't make the punchine stick without being overly crass or obvious. If anyone else can think of a way, please change it. In other news, where have the edit links for the character subsections gone?

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 02:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
		Wow, I did a lot in this page! So much that I can barely think of more.

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 19:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
		In some instances, I think this forum is beginning to go off the rails of "Rule of Funny" and is becoming more "Personal Rants". In some cases we've got characters who shouldn't technically be here, like Red XIII, and others have some really sweeping statements, like "No-one likes [character]". What does everyone else think?

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 19:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
		I think the "Rule of Funny" went off when someone uses basically one thing multiple times, like what I've seen with Red XIII and Vaan. If it's a personal rant, then it shouldn't be repeated.

Michelrpg I dont feel like editing other people's works, but there are too many "Gay/gay/gay" and "see gay" lines. It's really not funny the first time... seeing fifty more comments like that really takes the pleasure away of reading this. And there's one thing that somewhat bothers me as well... Squall's first complaint is about him having more accuracy than the sharpshooter. This indicates he is just either exceptionally cool, or Irvine is just a total tool. Actually both are fact :O

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 14:42, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
		I added the massive 8-Bit Theatre quote for Black Mage. I know we should all use original material, but I felt that this deserved special mention

Now, don't take this personally, but I believe that Travis Touchdown has weapons that would make both Cloud and Sephiroth faint in comparison. Also, they're Lightsabers. My mind was BLOWN when I saw the new No More Heroes 2 trailer. I saw a fucking Masamune Beam Katana. Awe. Some. Mask no Oni 00:03, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

WOw some of theese reasons are stupid!!Wait...Most of THEM!--AF 16:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 17:17, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
		I was going to add a "Reasons Why Vivi Sucks" category, but then I remembered that everyone loves him.

Michelrpg Just remove all the "Gay" jokes. It would clear half the screen, and they're not even funny. Except with Vaan, though those jokes should be removed on account of stating the extreme obvious.

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 19:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
		Did someone remove my suggestion to get rid of the Tifa section?

Consider it done, you dont think that kiff15 would let that in did you? also, i added some more reasons to why paine sucks.

Don't know, I think the first point isn't that far from the truth. But I agree that some stuff really should be removed. Don't get the hate against Penelo either (all those "his girlfriend" posts with Vaan). Sure, she wasn't exactly the most interesting character in the game, but she isn't exactly the most useless character in the series either. Mangartist

Michelrpg I removed some of the gay jokes and some of the not-funny jokes that were used a bit too often.. my apologies if people have problems with that, but stating Red XIII is gay over 8 times simply isn't funny.

		Pikmin Master - Cordelia! Do we have a third child? TALK - 01:03, September 12, 2009 (UTC)~
		Thank you.

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 01:17, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
		And the gay invasion comes again...

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 16:05, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
		Then, with the support of my fellow upstanding, non-sexuality-discriminating users, I shall commence a crusade (of dubious holiness) against all the gay jokes, and circulators of such, on this thread. Onwards, to power, glory, and semi-political correctness!

michelrpg I don't mind -a- gay joke. I just don't want to be drowned in a page full of gay jokes.

		The Man In The Black Cape - Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! TALK - The Man In The Black Cape 19:03, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
		Hmm, a "Why Aerith Sucks" section? Do you know what I call this? BLASPHEMY!!

kiff15 Do you know what I call it? stating the extreme obvious.

See, I'm not the only one who inadvertently pisses people off...Exdeath64 04:28, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised that there's still not a forum like this for the final bosses and villains. FinalfantasyX-ecutioner 16:14, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Because 90% of the reasons on that forum would be centered on Sephiroth and Kefka due to massive amounts of fanboyism. Mangartist

I thought about starting one, but I figured I would wait until this one died before doing so. Exdeath64 20:12, November 12, 2009 (UTC) I'm surprised Vaan didn't have more reasons..then again its hard telling who the main hero is in xii and i'm really eager to see what the reasons would be(most likly repetitive)on the worst villians list.66.203.32.62 19:02, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

		Cecil the Paladin - Come, we shall march on to the road that leads to the Final Fantasy... TALK - 04:03, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
		To those of you who don't know it yet, (most of you probably know) the Forum:whon is the Best Hero has been moved to userspace. Follow this link to continue editing. Thank you and have fun! ^_^.

	This thread makes me uncomfortable. Doesn't matter though, as I will come up with reasons as to why people suck just as anyone else would. Also, I LIKE CHOCOLATE MILK!

Should the Garnet section be considerd vandalism? --[[User:Squall 2.0|Squall2.0]] 08:18, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Cutting all three edits from that anon now. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 08:25, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 08:28, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Did not know if that was considerd vandalism or not. --[[User:Squall 2.0|Squall2.0]] 12:57, June 2, 2012 (UTC)