I have seriously considered that we start to use our userspace for our user templates, and keep the templatespace only for wiki-related projects and activities. This is a very ambitious and major project in the wiki. ^BLUER一番 03:21, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

With the exception of our talk templates and shared user boxes, isn't this already the case? — Yuan^Salve!_Acta 05:14, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming Bluer was intending to move all talk bubbles to userspace as well. If he was, I disagree, because talk bubbles are used for communication in all facets of the wiki. Plus, with the one-template rule, we aren't really letting users plaster a huge amount of anything they want in templatespace. 8bit 05:18, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with 8Bit. Mostly because the most cluttering thing I have ever seen with templates are the archives some people have on their userpages (within userspace) and that thing I do where I toy with them depending on the situation (used very sparingly for official stuff or where it is particularly amusing) Exdeath64 06:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

We, and by we, I mean "I" (I can't remember if anyone else helped) moved all user templates to userspace and walkthrough templates to walkthrough space. -BTW, just yesterday I was on the wiki and I noticed that someone recently added a walkthrough template to template space - no action taken by any users on the wiki. I was going to move it, but didn't, since it is no longer my burden. Not that I don't care the rules I tried so hard to enforce are being ignored, as an IP I just can't. So I don't have to care.-

Secondly, if you do indeed mean user talk templates, then I request something else. My talk template was never edited in the later days. In there I placed an {{#if}} command that decided whether to use my Signature, my Talk template, or my Blogtalk template- all of these were in my userspace.

If you're problem with template space is the user talk templates, and the fact the users edit them so much and get template edits when template space is only for contributory purpose, then we could move them to userspace, leaving the redirects alive, or replacing them with "{{User:[user]/Talk template|time={{{time}}}|text={{{text}}}}}".

This wouldn't work for some people's "multi-talk" templates though. I don't know about you though, but I just wouldn't like to see a million usertalk template redirects. All these templates wouldn't be edited ever again either way, they'd just be there.

If you're problem is not just that they are edited constantly and that they are counted as template edits, but lies in the fact they are just there in template space, then it would require loads of moving of templates, and also the editing of every single talkpage on the wiki, unless we program a bot.

So either way, user templates aren't in userspace, user talk templates can be moved in one of the above ways.

And if we're going to move all these talk templates to userspace, I wouldn't mind creating a username to help (since I'd have to to be able to move articles) on the condition I get mod-rights (since technically I have already) so I can avoid the anti-spam measure. Although I'd abandon the account straight after (unless of course you offer me SysOp rights, but I doubt that). 88.108.100.243 14:01, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really like template redirects as well, so I'd go with either using the alternate coding, or just moving all the talk bubbles out. Using the alternate coding would save a whole lot of time and energy, and editing every talkpage is quite the daunting task. But we've pulled off things like that before, like with the element moving. That was probably over 3000 pages that we edited there. It took awhile, but we pulled it off. So with the talk templates, it may take quite a long while, since there are many more than 3000 talkpages, but there's no time limit on how fast we need to move them. But we'll need quite a few people (or a bot, but I honestly don't like bots. They defeat the whole point of a wiki.). I don't mind doing so, and I bet ILHI up to it as well. On a moderately related note, I would have given you admin rights a long time ago if I could, ILHI. ScatheMote 14:23, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, my proposal is to get every user template out of the templatespace, reserving it only for templates that actually contribute to the project. This proposal was made considering:

1. The templatespaced user templates do not contribute to the quality, maintenance, improvements or upkeep of the mainspace.
2. We're being consistent in placing user elements out of the mainspace, ie. creation and moving user walkthroughs to walkthroughspace.
3. as for talkbubbles, the keyword is communication. They serve to convey among others user opinion, which aren't included in mainspace as well.
4. this should have been considered way back before the user talk bubbles were widely used. It is prudent to start now before more talk bubbles are created.

As a side note, I found some of our templates missing their documentation. Without this guide the templates are unused. ^BLUER一番 18:08, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Talk templates were considered. We decided it wasn't worth moving them because talk bubbles were widely used. They're the same now, but more widely used. And before that, it was CSM. So they would have never been moved.

However, if you want to take a look and consider how hard of a task this is, I went through every template that used "Template:TalkTextTest2" and changed it to Template:Talk

If you want to move every talk template out of template space and then re-link every single use to the user sub-page, I am against you. Unless you use bots (which is something I do not like, and something I never recall you saying you wanted our userbase to be) this task is both very hard and interruptive. Every forum will have to be bumped if a user does this, unless a user is flagged as a bot when doing this, which I think won't bump the page. Furthermore, there'll probably be a million edits to each talk page, unless we do all the moving first, the re-linking second, and the deleting third. But then we'll have to do all the moving in a very quick space of time, so we can use the Move log to record all the moves, so we can see which WLHs to check. And this is a very boring task I'll doubt anyone will do within any short space of time.

And also, Template:Talk, and userboxes/stickies should be moved out of template space? And into what space? We could create a new special space for them... but they could never work in userspace. Unless of course we move them to the owner's userpage, which I suppose would be TacticAngel in the case of Talk. But then that would make the categories awful. Yeah, we pipe the templates, but it would still look awful in the categories. 88.108.100.243 20:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

It looked like a good idea at the time. Someone pointed out to me that it could be done. *shrug* I guess I'll just KIV this proposal. ^BLUER一番 02:01, June 25, 2010 (UTC)