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BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
I started writing and it got of control. I accidently wrote a fucking essay. Sorry. Last night as some of you certainly know we were all struck by a vandal known as HAGGAR? (or Haggar the horrible as Crazyswords calls him), and it became clear to me that our Vandal defenses are unfortunatly lacking. I recognized HAGGAR? for being nothing but a cookie-cutter vandal the second he erased Sephiroth's page. He then accused me of liking it up the ass - who says vandal's aren't pleasent? But unfortunatly HAGGAR? was able to run around for almost an hour before finally being banned the whole time moving and erasing pages with bizzare bunches of code that can best be described as piles of shit. In fact I'm amazed just how much work HAGGAR? put into his futile Vandal attack, miles of code were written and it must have taken him days perhaps even months. All for in the end nothing (as I told him so last night just before he replaced by page with a picture of a giant penis or something). In fact I'm probably wasting too much time here and merely appeasing the asshole by chronicalling his works. But HAGGER? should have been banned in five minutes not an hour. As soon as he turned Sephiroth's page into a pile of shit it was clear to me that he had no interest playing ball here. But still you followed the protocall and wasted your time with warning after warning even though HAGGAR? never cared and never planned to care. You see HAGGAR? had come here with one thought in mind - to take a big shit on our fair wiki. The second I saw that first edit I knew he would keep on causing mistief until he was banned or dead. No rationality would stop him. I would have banned him myself if I had that power. Unfortunatly not and so my page was moved to WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH GRAWP? GIANT DICK MAKE BLUEHIGHWIND HAVE HUGE ORGASMS. WARM, STICKY CUM FOUNTAIN OUT OF GIANT DICK MAKE BLUEHIGHWIND HAPPY. How truly thoughtful. There should be a change in the Vandal banning system. The second it becomes clear that this user has nothing but malice and hatred for our wiki and has no interest being a contributer or member he should be banned. Newbies often makes mistakes but they don't replace pages there own disgusting homoerotic fantasies. It should be obvious just who is a vandel and who isn't. Clearly if they express hatred for this place - ban them. Don't waste your time with warnings, it just means a bigger mess we'll have to fix. All vandals are exactly the same - filled with malice, angry at their own empty pointless lives and predicitable. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 12:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
I would've banned him the instant I saw him put a Goatse on the Wiki. The only reason I didn't ban him sooner was because I had class. I use my judgement. The only reason he was warned was because no one with the happy power to give out bans was on the site at the time. Frankly, vandals like that need to be banned instantly. The warning system is for people who insert "LOL" or "Gay" into an article or maybe create one page. Vandals who work at that speed, and any vandal that puts a Goatse on the wiki, get banned without warning. | |||
CSM summed it up, none of use were around to deal with him. Only MMIL was around, so the best she could do was fight the tide. In the past I have banned obvious vandals in a second, becuase it was clear they didn't want to contribute. Most of us do have a zero tolerance to vandals. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Well perhaps we need more Admins then. I'd volunteer but my resent behavior (Kyu knows what I mean) has made me inelegible for service. I accept that fully. I'm just unhappy that all I could do is sit and watch this guy run free and tear up pages. I've never felt so helpless in the two months I've spent here. All I could do is call him names and try and redirect the attack on me instead of the actual wiki pages. I curse my own weakness. =( | |||
I agree. We need more admins as vandal busters ("If there's something weird, and it don't look good, WHO you gonna call? Vandal Busters!!"). They (Wikia top-dogs) should make that an add-on function along with the rollback rights (Like a package deal or something). | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 19:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Do you think we oughta make a fifth admin? | |||
I don't think so, but if we ever do need a fifth admin, one of the criteria should be that they're American, since it seems we need someone who lives in that timezone. | |||
Or Asian or Australian. And I suggest not one more, but two. Unless of course we get the "block user"-function as something that can be granted to the rest of the staff. I mean, it's would make sense since rollback rights is a vandal-fighting tool, that you'd be able to block the vandals too. | |||
A block-user tool would be handy, but then most high-ranking members would only be a delete-function away from being an admin. | |||
And protect-function, and ability to edit sysop-only protected articles (which I don't think we have, so who cares about that). But that's exactly my point. Since they would be like an inch away from being sysops if they get the much need vandal blocking-tool, why not just make them sysops? I would still prefer the blocker-tool over giving them full sysop rights though. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Since I seem to be the only non-staff user writing here I don't know if my opinion matters but I like Hecko's plan. Two more admins and boost the strength of the mods. No vandal will ever pull off that shit that HAGGER? did last night ever again. Which in fact was the whole point of me starting this discussion. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 22:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Two more admins is unfeasible. Looking at things, the current candidates are Azul81677, Bluerfn, Goldberry2000, Lycentia, Mymindislost, and Renmiri. I did not include AuronKaizer, StijnX, or SmegHead on this list because they are currently off on wiki-breaks, and did not include Frusion1021 or Kokushishin because they are titled, but not moderators. In all honesty, the ONLY person on that list that, were I in CSM's shoes, would choose as an admin would be Mymindislost; she's the most active vandal fighter without admin rights. I do what I can, but I'm here less and less recently, so I'm not a particuarly good choice. I'm not gonna sit here and weigh pros and cons out; heck, if AK wasn't on a break it would be no contest for who I would think should get the spot. As it is, Hecko might be right that rather than giving Admin-Rights, there should be some way of giving blocking rights to the moderators without granting admin-ship. ^^ All done. | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 22:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Thanks GB, but I've been around less and less recently, too (I usually lurk the Recent Changes). I just kind of happened to be here last night for Hagger's vandal attack. I'm making an effort to be around more, though. I've been away too long. I miss you guys. :( I mean, it's up to the admins ultimately. I'm not even sure if we should add another one right now. It would be better if there were a way to just give ban rights, but I'm not sure if that's possible or not. Whatever. I'll let you higher-ups sort it out. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Sadly, many of the mods arn't around very often in fact I've never even heard of Lycentia. As for Frusion1021 or Kokushishin, they are complete ghosts as far as I know. For at least as long as I've been here they haven't made a single edit. Just what are "Titled Users" and what are thier powers? Modesty aside I'd say MMIL is the best candidate for ascension into adminship. Five heads are better than four. Not that my lower class opinion means jack squat here anyway. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 22:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Lucy (Lycentia) tends to edit late at night, and is our greatest categoriser, sorting a massive amount of stuff more than I ever have; she might be in the shadows, but she is there. Frusion and Kokushishin don't hang around the forums, but they are around now and again. Titled users (the two afformentioned) have no special powers, just a title. Moderators have rollback rights (we can remove a single persons edit list from a page), and the Admins are wikias version of god. | |||
More like demi-gods. Beurocrats are wikia-Gods, since they are the only one's who can appoint new Sysops and strip old ones from their power. Ironically, I think a Sysop can actually block a beurocrat, though I've never tried in case it actually worked and screwed up the system as a result :P | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Here's how I see it. Crazyswords is like Zeus, he's the ultimate God but certainly not infinitely powerful or wise. The admins are like the Gods of Olympus, weaker than Zeus but if they rebelled they could easily over-throw him. The mods are lesser Gods, and we weaking un-titlted users are average humans. Some of us {Me!) are just more enlightened to the world around them. | |||
And vandals would then be the spawn of Echidna, I suppose..? | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
They are people who have comitted hubris and consider themselves Gods. I must stop wasting my time here and finally write that essay for school. See you all later. | |||
Unfortunately, with my schedule, I don't get on during normal "American" hours. I have also been rather ill lately and I have not had the drive to do as much as I probably should. | |||
you mean vandals are stupid mortals or titans? | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
So far the only vandals have been stupid mortals. If a Titan ever did appear I believe the only thing we could do is pray. Let's hope that no such monster ever comes around. | |||
Kratos could kill a titan... who is our kratos? | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Me of course. Who else can even rival Kratos's badassness? | |||
you, as me, are just a mortal. Kratos was it too but he was a war general and sold his soul (OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT) to Ares, the god of war | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Well I sold my soul to Satan, does that count for anything? | |||
Pablo, you do know that God of War has little to do with the actual Greek myths, right? They've all be changed to fit a storyline. Like movies "based on actual events". You also know that according to myth, the Titans were at a point mightier than even the gods... right? | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 13:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Want to understand more? Watch Disney's Hercules! Or... use wikipedia. :P | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 13:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
If there were a fifth admin, I could tell you right now it WOULD be MMIL. | |||
Then do it..? @Gold, Disney's Hercules is pretty inaccurate too. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 16:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. On the other hand, how can you say how accurate an interpretation of a myth is? :P | |||
The same way you can about the stories in the Bible :P | |||
Kratos is a fictional character, he never existed, in real life or myths. Also, Disney's hercules, Wikipedia, God of war and everything realated to greek myths are pretty inaccurate | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
How about this? We mortal users are like the Greek heros. Pablo is Hercules, Drake is Achillies, Kyu is Hector, and I'm Odysseus. | |||
Hercules is good for me xD is this going to turn a fanfic? | |||
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DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - ?????????? The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Is it I who am Anchilles, or Clawfang (curse that name theif!)? EDIT: Don't know if my saying this counts, or if anyone even cares, but MMIL would make a good admin. | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 02:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Seriously, you guys are so nice. ^_^ Not sure if I really deserve it, though, but the support is rather nice. Not that you guys will probably add another admin right now, anyway. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Drakey Drake is Achilles, as for Clawfang I kinda forgot about him (sorry). I think he's a good Bellerophon. | |||

Back on topic: I am positive that the Wiki does not need more admins. It's always supervised, there's always people around to clean up vandalism (with varying degree of course), and it's well maintained. If the issue is of swift cleaning acts, sooner or later the admins would always come to cleanup vandal mess, it's just a matter of time. But, if there is an admin nomination, MMIL's the one in my book. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? TALK - Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.ツ: | |||
Horrific news my dear Space Monkies. Hecko has just taken a leave of absense meaning that we are officially one quarter of our full Vandal fighting strength. We've actually grown weaker since HAGGER? attacked last week. Hecko left supporting MMIL's growth to admin, I believe we should support his leaving wish and appoint her to the Pantheon of Olympus. | |||
