ScatheMote - 01:20, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		Jim and I discussed the topic of making Catuse a mod just a few days ago, and since JBed brought it up on the staff noticeboard just now, I thought that a forum might be a better place to discuss this. As Catuse has been a reliable contributor (notably doing large amounts of wiki gnoming). Although I put my support behind him, I would like to open it up to all users to discuss the issue. I would like to know how others feel about making Catuse a mod; if support is positive, I'll message TA to have him promoted. Since this is a good time, I'd also like to open it up to anyone who would like to nominate someone for staff (nominating yourself is perfectly fine). In addition, I'd like to hear about any ideas, criticisms, etc. about the staff in general. If anyone feels like someone isn't being done that should be or that something should be changed, make sure to make your voice is heard here.

Good this was brought up. I can't understand if you suggest to open nominations for staff in general, not only mods. - Henryacores^ 01:30, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I find it laughable that Cat isn't a mod yet. But, I course, no one cares what I think :P Tidus357 02:27, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

		Catuse says at 05:02, June 9, 2012 (UTC) "Never trust a man until you've run a mile in his shoes. Then you're a mile away from him and you've stolen his shoes."
		Well this was sure unexpected. I was certain that the latest fad sweeping the wiki was surely Amarant bubbles. Turns out, of course, that that was a right-wing conspiracy to keep me from realizing the truth, which was that the latest fad was talking behind my back about modding me :P Serious mode now: I was certain Kaimi and/or Fenrir would be modded before me, but if it means I don't have to bug other users about moving files, I won't mind. Thanks guys for helping me progress with my scheme to take over the world, this was a nice surprise~. RE: Other staff nominations, one quick question: why isn't Drake an admin? With 50k edits and 5 years of experience, being on almost every day, and certainly has a use for the powers: between the vandals he reverts and the many pages (especially those JPEGs) that he puts up for deletion, he would benefit from 'em.

		Drake Clawfang - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 05:25, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		There are concerns about my willingness to accept Admin (I am 100% willing) and my attitude when dealing with others (up to your interpretation). As for Catuse as mod, I fall back on the old opinions - Mods are not in short supply, we don't need more. Catuse is certainly deserving though. Come vote in the Soul Shrine and take one of my Final Fantasy quizzes.

		TidusTehSacrificer357 - "Don't you run, needles!" TALK - 05:31, June 9, 2012 (UTC) - Vote at the Fayth's Dream Arena!
		Making Cat a mod tomorrow would be a good birthday present. How 'bout it? :D

		Xenomic TALK - 05:39, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		I see no reason why not. He's done a good enough job on this wiki to deserve it I think, and he's here pretty much every day himself. More than what I can say about me at the current time~

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 06:17, June 9, 2012 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		I fall pretty much into the same boat as Drake (whom I still support for a promotion to admin, btw) - we are not short on mods but Catuse has done a ton of great work in his short time here.

		Jimcloud - Yeah, I'm a girl. So what? TALK - 13:09, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		As I said, I support Cat's modding. Moderatorship isn't really a thing where it's necessary to be careful with how many you promote, just if a person is really worthy of it, then promote them. Cat would make a good moderator, IMO. As for Admin activity, well, now's not the best time to talk about it, since we're just out of the yearly all-time low period for admin activity (the time right after exams come for all college/university students, and all but our two less active bureaucrats are either in college or teach for it, IIRC). Yes, I have noticed less admin activity in recent weeks than I'd like, but there is a reason for it. That said, I have noticed a disturbing trend in that the most relatively recent admins before our latest two three (8bit, Yuan, and Fae) have been significantly less active in presence, Wiki things, and/or administrative work than our two currently active admins (Bluesey is off doing his thing). Faethin is still easily contactable in case of an emergency (when his connection holds), but Yuan's presence has dropped off nearly completely, and Eight-bit's presence... is about the same as it was at the time of voting in new admins has improved somewhat, actually, although I believe it is closer to a temporary activity spike. For comparison: Fae - Yuan - 8bit to Scathe and Henry So, that leaves us with two active admins, one maaaybe active admin(?), and one easily contactable admin in case of emergencies. I do worry a little about what would happen if both Scathe and Henry's activities were cut down at the same time, for whatever reason -- Henry occasionally drops off the Wiki grid for days at a time with little warning, and as I've said before, attendance is not Scathe's strongest point. (you're still awesome, though, Scathey~) That said, I know I'm not exactly the one with the most conservative view on this subject, so I'll leave the evidence here for you guys, and you tell me -- do we need another admin, or not? Oh, and just because it's technically relevant -- Bluesey -- TA - Diablo

		Sorceror Nobody – The supreme nonentity Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 13:24, June 9, 2012 (UTC) "I can detect matter down to one atom in a vacuum the size of the moon, and apparently, this guy doesn't exist" -- Foaly
		Catuse is pretty damn hard working, especially considering how long he's been here. Definitely deserves to be a mod. As for other staff, particularly admins, I would say that the situation probably isn't that different to how it was last time we held admin voting, by which I mean I expect the votes probably wouldn't differ that much, other than that obviously some of the candidates are no longer eligible because they are already admins this time around. I also agree with Jimcloud, that this is not the best time to judge the current admins' activity. Maybe in a month or so.

"As for Catuse as mod, I fall back on the old opinions - Mods are not in short supply, we don't need more."

That's the wrong stance to have.

If a user has rollback, rights to move files, and rights to suppress redirects, then they can be a greater help to the wiki. By that user not having these rights then they cannot help the wiki as much. Instead they will take longer to make reverts, they will have to contact other users to move files, and they will have to VFD redirects manually.

But not allowing regular users to have these rights, we are keeping the wiki safe from reversion vandals spreeing RC and moving pages while breaking all links.

This isn't about "how many staff we have" this is about efficiency. If making Catuse a mod will improve his productivity (and give less work for other staff when they need to delete redirects and move files) then this is only beneficial.

Also, nominate self for SysOp (preferably bcrat), that is all. JBed 14:24, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, also, Scathe for bcrat--he's actually active. JBed 14:41, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

		Drake Clawfang - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 16:23, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		Good points on Modhood. Agreed then, Catuse for mod. Scathe for BCrat though, as far as I know all BCrats can do that Admins can't is change user rights, and as this isn't needed often, I think TA is enough. He's around if we call him, mostly. Come vote in the Soul Shrine and take one of my Final Fantasy quizzes.

It seems insulting that we give the highest power of the wiki (a wiki, a community of people working together to build a database) to someone who only emerges when asked and has barely helped build (edit) the wiki in years.

If people were ever given the choice of bcrat, I don't think TA would have been top of that list. JBed 17:20, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

		Drake Clawfang - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 17:22, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		No question, you ought to have seen the IRC the first couple of days after that happened. Come vote in the Soul Shrine and take one of my Final Fantasy quizzes.

		Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME TALK - Keltainentoukokuu 17:24, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
		Support Catuse for mod. He would get more out of his time here if he had more tools.

		Catuse says at 05:01, June 10, 2012 (UTC) "Never trust a man until you've run a mile in his shoes. Then you're a mile away from him and you've stolen his shoes."
		Thing is, since we only need bureaucrat powers once or twice a year, making a new bureaucrat would be mostly symbolic. While Diablo only shows up twice a month, Tactic can be reached within a couple days, so there's no practical reason to make a new bureaucrat. Just sayin'.

I am for Catuse as a mod! He/she's a great person, and really responsible and devoted.

Mask no Oni 07:26, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

		Xenomic TALK - 07:37, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
		Cactuse for next President of the USA.

Why do people keep playing the "we only need bcrat powers liek nevar" card? That's not the point. If we're going to have a bcrat they should be active. Why would a wiki want to do it any other way?

The highest-power in a business should actually care about the success of the business. I'm sure some may argue about how people are busy and can't edit, which doesn't mean they don't care, but if they don't have the time to edit should they really even be a bcrat (or our most active bcrat).

Besides, bcrats may only have few additional powers, but they are the users that should be starting this kind of topic. Having to contact TA to do things seems laborious when we can just have the bcrat already watching the wiki and help make the decisions to promote people instead of just responding to things decided by other staff. 79.69.196.161 17:54, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

		ScatheMote - 23:09, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
		So I think it's pretty clear that the wiki has decided that Catuse should be a mod. Additionally, there are some feelings that there is a need for either more admins or bureaucrats, but I think that this should be addressed later (perhaps in a month, perhaps with more formal nominations) when exams are over for everyone so that we actually know how actives our admins are. If anyone still has a point about Catuse's modship or would like to further discussion the situation of the staff on the wiki, please leave a comment since I'm going to lock and labyrinth this page tomorrow.

		TidusTehSacrificer357 - "Don't you run, needles!" TALK - 01:01, June 11, 2012 (UTC) - Vote at the Fayth's Dream Arena!
		Dibs bureaucrat I see no good reason not to have another bcrat. This wiki is bloody huge, and compared to others, monstrous. I support Scathey for bcrat.