I think 8bit deserves a promotion. He has made countless enemy articles and has been a great contributor. What do you guys think? | |||
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - {{{time}}} | |||
I think you should read older topics more carefully...CSM did say that he would grant rollback rights to 8bit as soon as possible, and I don't know why he isn't listed at the staff page yet. (Idea for 14 mods: FFVI cast) | |||
I remember that. I just thought everyone else forgot about it. | |||
If we make another mod, then we'll have to reorganize the Staff page. I'm kinda happy as Andramelech (but not as happy as I would be as the Judge of Wings *hint hint*). However, if we used the FFVI cast, I could because Setzer. I'll have to think about it. | |||
And I think I remember CSM saying that Rollback Rights are granted and shouldn't be asked for. Be careful CK, you might've pushed it back for him. (If we are too be the FFVI cast I got first dibbs on Gau) | |||
I thought he said someon can vouche for you. | |||
Azul, you vouched for me, that's how I attained Modiness in the fastest time for any User before (before PanSola came along and got in two days). | |||
I know but I could have sworn Hecko or CSM said that if someone does that (after BH was moded) the granting of Rollback rights for the user would be pushed back a month, either that or I'm losing it or I just read it wrong | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Done. TSD is also a mod now. | |||
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Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
She does good for the Wiki, too. | |||
Not to say she doesn't deserve it, but why did you give Rollback rights to TSD? Nelo has been here much longer, and he/she deserves it more. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Because I don't keep track of these things. You need to bring them up, like you did now. | |||
(EDIT CONFLICT x2):I know but, I don't mean to sound hypocritical but so has Nelo | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
You guys need to chill a bit. I do more for you guys than most wiki webmasters do, so please understand that. | |||
That's certainly true. In a year there will be 30 Mods. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
Truely? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
BH is probably right. You realize we live in a mobocracy here where I basically do your bidding. | |||
On a less depressing note. Three of my former minions are now Mods. NeloAngelo (he/she was actually the first and the founder of my now-dead Church), Hexedmagica, and TheSwordofDoubt. I guess that means that Pablo will be Modish one day. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
16 mods=16 GF's from VIII | |||
If we are gonna use that I want Eden | |||
BH can be the Doom train, choo choo...or Bahamut. And Azul, if you do that you'll be my favorite mod. | |||
Me a mod? I refuse before I get them | |||
"I could have sworn Hecko or CSM said that if someone does that (after BH was moded) the granting of Rollback rights for the user would be pushed back a month, either that or I'm losing it or I just read it wrong" | |||
No GF. Use the Espers from FFVI. That way we'll have plenty of room for new Staff Members, and we won't need to make a new system for at least six months. | |||
Okay then, Bismark or Phantom | |||
I call Bahamut. HAHA!!! | |||
Of course | |||
Bahamut is the resident diety of the Kingdom of Highwind. We of the royal bloodline can trace our legacy back to him and a Princess he slept with once on a dare from Ramuh. He is the God of all dragons and Dragon Knights. | |||
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There's too much Espers from FFVI. The GF idea sounds pretty good right about now. 16 GFs. 16 Mods. Nice numbering. Any more ideas? | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
I think the GF idea is good for now, there are 30 espers anyway, we can always get closer to that point. I want Leviathan please, and goodnight. | |||
My real issue is that I would rather not be represented by anything from FFVIII. Expect Edea, she's always an exception when it comes to that game. But if I must put away my hate (I must admit that box does look cool), I'll take Bahamut. Once again, I called it. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
I wish to be represented by Alexander. | |||
Still Eden, time for a change of template! | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
What are we gonna do once we get a new mod? Why don't we compromise and assign one mod just a "Summon:" NOT an Esper, NOT a GF, NOT an Eidolon, NOT an Aeon, and NOT an Avatar. That way we'll never run out (Square comes up with new ones all the time). | |||
So any summon we want? Ifrit | |||
For the millionith time, I call Bahamut. | |||
TheSwordofDoubt - Xemnas may not be eternal, but his speeches definitely are. TALK - Nanoha ain't called "The White Devil" for no reason. | |||
If it's any summon we want, then I'm all for Anima. If we're staying with GFs, then I want Doomtrain, 'cause the train does stuff to you...stuff stuff. | |||
TSD, a mod? I think Yuanchosaan deserve the Mod status more than TSD. If we're going for editcount: TSD's main is only 6%;48. 55% spent on the forums! Yuanchosaan might be new, but 72% of his/her edit is already spent on the mainspace. She does good for the Wiki too, CSM? How so? | |||
TheSwordofDoubt - Xemnas may not be eternal, but his speeches definitely are. TALK - Nanoha ain't called "The White Devil" for no reason. | |||
Even I'm asking that question. One more surprise. | |||
@CSM: Unless you're planning on making more than 31 mods, I don't see the problem in using FFVI Espers. The entire point of having summons (or any other group of something) from only one game is to maintain an overall theme with equal graphics all around. Otherwise, we might as well say that the sysops don't have to be judges, but any main character from an FF game, which most likely would end up looking like crap on the page. In short, it's all about aesthetics. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 13:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
I definitely recall TSD making some edits a long time ago that I really liked. I forget what they were, but I figured as such. | |||
Dark raven - The Prince must wake soon or the Dark Raven will dominate! TALK - Drums > Guitar, and you know that I'm right. {{{time}}} | |||
TSD rocks. And what's more, I see absolutely nothing wrong in having 20 or 30 mods, if all of them deserve it. When you have several people deserving to be mods, don't argue who's the best. You can nominate them all. The worst thing that can happen is that you may run out of espers/GF/whatever images. That's just my little suggestion. | |||
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - {{{time}}} | |||
You're right. If they deserve it, why shouldn't they be mods? But how is deserve measured? That's the question... Anyway Dark Raven, don't worry: If you check [[Template: Summons2|the template]], you'll see that we have enough espers to spare. | |||
If all else fails, RW has 50-ish summons, I think | |||
Diablocon can be Diabolos. | |||
EDIT CONFLICT: If you are going to make a new mod I vote for Yuan @AD: Diablo is an admin | |||
Where do you go to check who is a moderator and who is an admin? | |||
Dark raven - The Prince must wake soon or the Dark Raven will dominate! TALK - Drums > Guitar, and you know that I'm right. {{{time}}} | |||
Congratulations to NeloAngelo and 8bit. I would like to chime in here, though, and point out much to the great disappointment and ire of CSM, that nothing is really happening with this wiki. I'm going to see if I can't ride this out until it festers and dies, but seriously the edit count in the mainspace is pathetic. We have now promoted, with Sword of Doubt, our first worthless member to the ranks of moderator. I don't mean to say I have anything particularly against sword of doubt or that he's a bad bad person, but aside from text on the forum, he has done virtually nothing to add, advance, improve, correct, or expound upon the material in the wiki. He adds no worth. Edit statistics for TheSwordofDoubt: Total 887 100% (Main) 51 5.75% Talk 9 1.01% User 87 9.81% User talk 135 15.22% Final Fantasy Wiki 23 2.59% Final Fantasy Wiki talk 16 1.8% Image talk 3 0.34% Template 20 2.25% Forum 477 53.78% Forum talk 66 7.44% He's contributed less than 7% to mainspace or talk pages. He was probably the earliest promoted person to moderator both in terms of edit count and longevity that I can remember. In terms of edits, they aren't advancing the wiki. All of his template edits are either talk template edits or some other self-referencing template for his user page. I will venture to guess most of his FFWiki/talk edits have to do with DNC. I don't think I'm alone in the fact that I would like to see this as a wiki with a community rather than a rather than a rather poorly organized forum (lets be honest, EDIT CONFLICT, etc) and then some info on the side that's never updated. I do not want to see people like that lauded. I know this is not what you want to hear, CSM, but not all of us appreciate your non-wiki-mania. | |||
SwordofDoubt is a girl, TA. Let's get that straight before anything else is said. I just went through her contribution list to investigate, in the hopes of proving TA to be a arrogant blowhard that he seems to be. However, I could only see his point in the miles of edits to articles with the word "Forum" at the beginning. Her signifigant edits to real articles are few and far between. The most expansive edit to an actual article was to Mesmerize, and I seriously hope that wasn't what Crazyswords is thinking of. TheSwordofDoubt is largely a Forum User, which is nothing to be ashamed of, but certainly nothing to be made a Mod for. Because if TheSwordofDoubt has done enough to be a Mod, then Drake 1 has enough contributions to have Crazyswords's job. Nightmarish, huh? | |||
I believe TSD has written a walkthrough, no? It seems a bit mean to complain about modding TSD so soon after the event. I'm sure CSM has his reasons. Congratulations to all the new mods! | |||
TheSwordofDoubt - Xemnas may not be eternal, but his speeches definitely are. TALK - Nanoha ain't called "The White Devil" for no reason. | |||
@Yuan: Actually, I've only just begun my walkthrough. It's gonna be a pretty long one, as far as I can see. I'm too specific for my own good. And I just hope no one will ever mistake me for a guy again, though that's probably going to happen. | |||
I don't want to get into a semantic debate. The only way I know anyone is a man/woman/other is if they put a picture of themselves on their user page. Without that, they get the English indefinite (he/his). Its better than the alternative, it. In any case, this has nothing to do with impugning TheSwordofDoubt as much as addressing a theme that some of us do not like, though I think a few people are too frightful or non-confrontational to admit this outwardly. I don't mind being the dark horse if its needed though. ...though I think its time to get rid of my judge. I think too many people think I idealizing him for reasons aside from armor design. Arrogant may be a cross I have to bear though, though I appreciate that you'll take back the blowhard BHW. | |||
TheSwordofDoubt - Xemnas may not be eternal, but his speeches definitely are. TALK - Nanoha ain't called "The White Devil" for no reason. | |||
I have a userbox on my page stating that I'm a girl, btw. | |||
To think the Help:Rollback page said that "by contributing to pages and being active for long periods of time" you'll get moddom. "It'll usually take anywhere from one to three months to get it", that is certainly NOT the case for me: I had to wait for a full one year and between I contributed to pages quite a lot, but TSD did a lot of forums and four months later she's mod? I am with TA on this one; this Wiki doesn't thrive on forums, but on the FF content that a lot of us has taken the time to establish. | |||
I'm actually inclined to agree with Blue and TA, CSM has been triggering happy lately lately. Seriously. | |||
@Tactics: In spite of lack of pictures on user pages, the "This user is a female." and "This user is a male. " userboxes on more or less every user page should sort of remove all doubt... Or is that just me? P.S. I was just making a note of this, I don't want it to turn into a long, pointless discussion of whether or not pressing "Userboxes" on a person's User page is too much of a bother or not. | |||
I never guess gender unless the User puts that a male or female template on their pages or describes themselves as either "he" or "she". | |||
Darnnit. Why am I the 'windbag' GF? | |||
Good policy Bluehighwind unless they do it could be anything. | |||
You can't blame them. I use to think Netherith is female. and I wanted to put his GF as Shiva. XD But seriously now. TA does "not want to see people like that lauded". So do I. To me, trust and effort combined is how you gain rollback. @ CSM, back then your granting rollback was on the mark and something of a prestige. Now, rollback has lost its value. @ TSD, I do not mean to downgrade you, but with all due respect, you do not deserve rollback... at least not yet. | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 18:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
This is me chiming in with my agreement with TA. I am one of those people TA was talking about being too non-confrontational to say anything, but the fact that an almost exclusively forum-using user has been given rollback really bothers me. I mean, it took me MONTHS and hundreds of enemy articles to get rollback and it was a really exciting experience, but now it just seems like rollback is being given to anyone who sticks around long enough. Isn't rollback supposed to imply some kind of trust and responsibility to the wiki as a whole? Isn't it supposed to signify how much you've done for the wiki as a whole? | |||
If rollback is given to people who stick around, considering that TSD has it, logically I would too...Very scary. | |||
Though I agree it was a mistake for TSD to become a Mod, I must cautiously fear calling for her Rollback Rights to be taken away. Nobody has ever been kicked off the Wiki Staff before. TSD would be the first. God I wish I could stirred up this much trouble when I become a Moderator. | |||
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It's CSM opinion so we are fucked (Sorry TSD) If it was by time I would have already had rollback rights Funfact: When _I came to the wiki there were only 3 admins 8I think) and like 4 mods | |||
Well, in my opinion, and I dare say many other opinions, TSD's rollback should be revoked. Nobody nominated TSD in this forum. Chief nominated 8bit, Azul nominated Nelo and everyone had no issue about it. But when it came to TSD, most got in WTF mode, even TSD herself. I'm sorry, but she doesn't deserve rollback yet. | |||
Dark raven - The Prince must wake soon or the Dark Raven will dominate! TALK - Drums > Guitar, and you know that I'm right. {{{time}}} | |||
That's quite drastic... Throwing someone out of the staff? Just after nomination? Maybe we should do a poll first? | |||
It's just a poll, without any decision power. The Admins will decide what to do anyway. (Oh, and I voted for "not" if anyone cares)Dark raven
I agree with TA...This time. If TSD is a Mod, then shouldn't I be up for adminship? I have about 7 times more mainspace edits (that's only 350) and have been here close to 5 months. I have nothing against TSD, it's just that she doesn't deserve Mod status as much as 8bit and Nelo did. | |||
I'd like to raise two issues here:
Firstly, I'd like to suggest a compromise: Let's put TSD on a probationary period for say, a month. During that time, if she does not make any significant contributions ie many mainspace edits, helping new users, making templates etc, she gets demodded. This I think, is better than having everyone shout her down. Instead, whether she remains a mod will depend on her contributions. Secondly, I'd like to ask, how many mods do we actually need? It's getting to the point that being a mod is a reward, rather than a post. If it goes on this way, we will have every long standing user become a mod, which I think, would be rather frightening to newbies. Trust me, people in power are scary. We simply do not have enough dedicated new users: out of every 10 new users, how many devote their time to mainspace? Most just go for the forums or DNC and never make any significant contributions. Perhaps a change in policy is necessary? Those are just my thoughts, and I don't know what they're worth as I'm fairly new. But I don't want this wiki to completely degenerate around us, nor anyone to leave due to having their feelings hurt. | |||
A policy that obligates newbies to cooperate is a tyrant act. And that you are a newbi doesn't mena you can't give your opinions. I have realised that most newbies are scared of powerful users. It's weird | |||
I completly agree with Yuan. | |||
Sorry, I didn't make my point clear. I meant to say that not many newbies contribute to the Mainspace. Hence, eventually we'll run out, and we'll have a wiki of Mods and Admins. | |||
(EDIT CONFLICTx2) Why newbies scared of Hecko? Hecko not mean, Hecko just want make friend... ;_; | |||
I agree with the "Firstly" part. But not with the second half. All mods are are people with rollback power. They cannot ban, protect pages, or make other people mods (only b-crats can do that). I don't think we can have enough mods. We are a big wiki. And if you look at it, 5 admins, 14/15 mods, but dozens of normal users. It seems pretty fair to me. Also, this whole thing with TSD was started because we don't want a wiki full of mods. | |||
EDIT CONFLICT x2: Hi hecky! Wanna cookie? wanna cookie? Nice hecko! Hey! Hecko! drop that knife! put it down! Put it Agh...... | |||
I took away TSD's mod status.[]
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Now you all have to stop criticizing her. I am literally crying right now because I didn't want to do this. And I think you're all making TSD very upset. So I want you all to be nice to her. If you guys were saying nasty things about me I would be very upset. So be nice to TSD. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
And if I catch you making fun of her about this, EVEN JOKINGLY, you will be banned for two months...maybe more depending on how I feel. | |||
Well I must admit that the idea of Rollback Rights being removed scares the shit out of me. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 04:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
And you and AK have BOTH been treading very thin ice. If a mod breaks this decree, he or she will PERMANENTLY lose mod status. | |||
Okay, I tried to stay out of it, but the BS has gone on too far. I don't know what discussion you've been reading, but no one in this thread has at any point intentionally criticized Doubt. The only one who has been criticized here has been you and your judgement. Everyone here knows that Doubt mostly hangs out at the forum and on talk pages, and everyone is completely fine with that fact, I mean, everone has their own preferences. Sure, we'd like to see her, and several other forum dwellers, contribute more to the mainspace, but it isn't like we'll blame them for it if they don't. And in Doubt's case, she has even taken the time to start up a walkthrough, which is a big plus in my book since it shows initiative. However, when it comes to rollback rights, "being social" just doesn't quite cut the mustard (or however that saying goes). Rollback rights are earned in one of two ways: 1) Having "bravely fought" against vandal attacks, thereby showing that you are up for it, and deserve a better vandal-fighting tool; 2) By having made numerous contributions that are for the good of the FFWiki, its readers, and/or the users, showing that you are able to handle the responcibility of your title and that you'll use the tool with care. If you start giving them out to people just because they've "been around", you are effectively insulting every single person who had to work hard in order to earn those rights, because you've made something that was once prestigeous into something extremely cheap. Personally, I have nothing against Doubt nor do I believe that any of the other users do, in fact, many users (including myself) actually like the kid, and if anyone has made Doubt feel bad in any way, I am sure that it has not been intentional and that they are sorry if they did. However, we also all agree that Doubt has yet (as in, it could happen in the future, just not right now) to fit either of the two criteria. We are aware of this, even Doubt was aware of it (which I assume is why she was shocked to know she got promoted), you, apparently not so much. That is what this entire discussion has been about (not including what GF people want to be). No one could understand your reasoning, to the point of people believe there was none. Personal likes or dislikes are not a reason. Besides, Doubt is fine with having her rights removed, which she has stated several times over on her talk page, so stop trying to pressure the girl into feeling sad on account of you fucking up. Take some goddamn responcibilty for your actions for once instead of trying to blame the entire freaking community just to save your own ass, like you did on her talk page. | |||
Whoa, that was harsh :S | |||
He has to be set straight, this isn't the first time he sacrifices someone else to save his own image, I just think this has been one of the first times it has been someone other than Tactics or myself. To some extent even Highwind. Would you like a boss/leader who would blame you or your coworkers for his own incompetence because he would rather sacrifice your necks than admit to having made a mistake because God forbid he should be held accountable for it? | |||
Hecko, you will be a great lawyer one day. | |||
I owe it all to Phoenix Wright XD well... no, not really, but still XD | |||
Completely off-topic: W00t! Phoenix Wright (one of the main reasons I want a DS ^^) | |||
It may be "harsh" but it is spot on. No one here has been insulting or even poked fun at Doubt. There was no discussion and equally absent rationalization afterwards. Even the commentary about CSM's lack of judgment in this matter is not framed in such a way to be a personal attack on him, but instead an analysis of the folly itself. One thing is certain, no one deserved to be threatened with demotion and exile. The turn from 'if anything you guys are in charge' cheerleader mentality to ban-thirsty tyrant at any question over your actions is uncalled for and I personally think you owe the "community," more specifically BHW and AK, an apology or an explanation... though it does support the assertion I made why people might be frightful to ever disagree with you. | |||
Please children. If you want to play together you must learn to share. Some of us just seem to love critizing Crazyswords. I never asked for an apology. Nor do I want one. Just who do you think I am? I am no saint, nothing to rally around. Its a fortunate thing I'm still here after the shit I've pulled. If anybody will ever get Rollback removed, it will be me. Now be still, children. There is no argument here. The issue was resolved when TSD's Rollback was removed. Crazyswords was just trying to make amends somehow by being protective. | |||
I assume you haven't read Doubt's talk page concerning the issue, have you..? | |||
Look at that, Crazyswords gave away his sprite to TSD as a badge of coolness. That was nice of him. | |||
Not to mention practically offering to be her manslave for life. That's leadership for you | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
And this is what Hecko does. Every time I do something nice, or try to do something nice, Hecko always has to find a way to be negative about it. I was just trying to be nice to her. I wasn't being a suck up. I was doing what people should do. You know how many times (in real life) I get my hopes up only to have them dashed? That's not something I want to wish on anyone. I'm more than happy to take criticism. After all, I know I can get better. I'm sorry I thought I saw something you guys didn't (maybe she was being overly friendly, which is something some of you could take a lesson on). But I hate it when people take the positive things I do and spin them in a way to make it sound like I'm trying to protect myself. I do A LOT for you guys. Yes, I realize I don't have that high a percentage of mainspace edits, but they're still a plurality of my edits, and I still make them and I discuss things just like you guys do. Yes, I overreact, and that's a problem I need to fix. But I do a lot of good, so stop trying to spin it negatively. | |||
Well, yeah, because it usually results in my or Tactics' image being bashed because you make us look like that bad guys while you cover your ass, I consider that "protecting yourself", no spin required. This time, you just blamed the entire community (in a nutshell "I wanted you to be a mod, but "they" didn't let me *buhuu*") instead of having the balls to go "Doubt, I'm sorry, I acted pre-maturely when I made you a mod, even though I shouldn't have. Because of this, I have to revoke your rollback rights. It's entirely and solely my fault". And how is saying: "I'll do anything for you." and presenting her with a "swanky new badge" not sucking up? I mean come on... One thing last thing I'd like to mention. I've seen you say "I do A LOT for you guys." quite often lately. Do you have any idea of how utterly arrogant that sounds? Other users do just as much and it sounds like you're belittle their efforts by making yourself sound important. I've done a lot for this wiki too, so has, Diablo, Blue, Mindi, Lucy, and tons of other people. You don't see them use it as a defencive argument. I mean, mention one thing that you've done for us, that you haven't also done to promote yourself, or blatantly stolen from somewhere else? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
I do it because people keep complaining to me. And when have I not taken responsibility? Hecko, you take almost none. I take it a lot. And I never said Diablo, Blue, Mindi, and Lucy didn't do anything, so don't imply I said that. | |||
Show me. Where have people complained to you? Do you want example that only date back six months, or can I go further back? When have I not take responcibility for my actions. I either state ahead of time that if something goes wrong, I'm taking full responcibility, or I appologize when I realized I fucked up. Examples in the form of links, go. And I never said the you said Diablo, Blue, Mindi, and Lucy didn't do anything, so stop the BS and actually read what I'm writing. I'm saying that you using "I do a lot for you guys" is a bullshit argument to make, and an insult to people who do just as much or more for the users than you do. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Look down the forum and read topics about things like Magicite Madness. And it's sort of like you're telling me I can't form my own opinion (like I have to believe that I was in the wrong when I modded TSD. I still think that was the right decision, so don't tell me what to think). | |||
Once again, you are not reading what I write. Qoute: "I mean, mention one thing that you've done for us, that you haven't also done to promote yourself, or blatantly stolen from somewhere else?"
And no, I NEVER said that you aren't allowed to form your own oppinion. You're very much allowed to like Doubt, you can be in love with her for all I care (though... I wouldn't say that out loud if I were you), however, what you aren't allowed to do is to mod someone because of YOUR personal oppinion of them'. That is cheapening the efforts of all those who worked hard to get their rollback rights, which is a piece of shit thing to do. Still waiting for the links by the way. Where did people complain to you and where did I not take responcibility for my actions. If you leave me hanging, I'll get sad... ;_; | |||