Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 01:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		The bigboy has been up there long enough, and, who knows? Maybe it's time for a change. Here's my suggestion: [1] What do you guys think? EDIT New version just out: [2]

		Jeppo TALK - 01:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		No offence to your designs, but the one we've got at the moment is far better.

		Otherarrow - This is a Dragon. TALK - 01:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		EDIT CONFLICT I think it's pretty good, I like it much more than the one we have now. (Balthier and Auron's....shoulder? Seriously?) The only thing I can find as a real flaw is that there is a bit of empty space near the middle, but this may just be so the logo is not clutered so that's OK. You need something on the other side Stlitzkin besides the pon thing, but that's just me. Sorry about that. I blame the EDIT CONFLICTS.

		BlueHighwind Q? 01:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC) TALK - This Land is Made of... LOVE AND PEACE!! LOVE AND PEACE!! ツ:
		As with like the one I made Image:Forum Logo Idear.jpg, it is no improvement. I like old one better. I could try again, but what would be the use?

		Exdeath64 - this posting was divined from the necrocromicon, the Karma Sutra, and Bill Clinton's memoirs TALK - {{time=Exdeath64 19:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)}}
		For the love of GOD no chibi. I think we need a new header (It looks like the wiki threw up on photoshop and that's what was left after clean up.) but PLEASE no bloody chibi. We could have a few and change it based on upcoming events or holidays (A XIII motif when that finally comes out and we have enough info to actually make one, or a Fenrir thing for when ACC gets released. or for next april fools, replace it with a DQ slime.)

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 03:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		@BH: I think the banner's too big, but we sure need a replacement though.

		Yuan 翠珊 — 06:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC) "He wants to write a love song / An anthem of forgiving / A manual for living with defeat"
		How about using fanart instead? It's more customisable, but I don't know if it has to be official artwork. Here is my idea for it. Please note that that this is very rough, and by no means a final work. You get the general gist though.

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 06:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		Looks pretty great. Or maybe one chocobo would do. That's pretty much my idea.

		SilverSummoner - Believe it or not, I've been stalking your talk page all these times... O_O Liek srsly TALK - 07:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		I like Henry's design, but I think the colors are too bright and the "black mage" sprite doesn't match with other images thus making the design looked rather inconsistent... :D That's what I thought. ^^ Yuan's idea is okae, but the colors are too light.. I can barely see the writings on it. @_@

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 09:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		I have another idea, how about if we put all some of the people in the "Recurring Characters of Final Fantasy" category. Just in case if you're lazy and stuff, here's the list: Aerith Gainsborough Artemicion Biggs and Wedge Boco Cid (probably the most famous Cid) Cloud Strife Gilgamesh Lone Wolf the Pickpocket Mog Montblanc Namingway Orthros Princess Sara Stiltzkin

		Leon5550 - Procede. Fac mevm diem, pvnc. TALK - 10:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
		I'd go with the fanart idea, it's more "customizable" and probably more beautiful than pixels and colours crashing together

		Yuan 翠珊 — 13:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC) "He wants to write a love song / An anthem of forgiving / A manual for living with defeat"
		A number of people have said that they like this one. Slightly odd, as this was just me playing with Photoshop ^^;. Henry thinks the crystals clash, and that I should draw my own. What does everyone else think? Anyone more skilled than me with Photoshop want to give this a try?

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 14:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		I don't much care for it Yuan, my apologies. I think it looks too messy. But I will take your suggestion and try my own, in Microsoft Paint nonetheless, seeing as how I don't have Photoshop. >_<

		Yuan 翠珊 — 10:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC) "He wants to write a love song / An anthem of forgiving / A manual for living with defeat"
		Simpler is better? I've left space on the side if we want to put extra things in (Chocobos?). And who doesn't love Moogles? ;)

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 11:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
		Probably people who recognized Mog from the Chocobo Series. Anyways, I love your moogle banner.

		AJDurai - A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny. TALK - What use is {{{time}}} if you're not gonna use it?
		I do understand how such trivial changes entertain all of you, but these attempts at carrying out new changes to the banner is very.... lacking in terms of creativity and common sense. I shall forward my opinion with the hopes that it may guide you to the betterment of your designs. The colors of the banner should be "cool" and not "hot" as the yellow used in the proposed designs. The height of the banner should be reduced to an appropriate width, perhaps between 100 to 150 pixels or something in that manner. As for images, can't you utilize character artwork that create the illusion that the artworks seem to interact with each other - to mirror the forum purpose? I would have suggested making a prizeless contest amongst the community, but alas >;3

You guys are wack.--Asdf12356 13:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• Width: ~500px
• Height: 150px to 175px seems about right.
• PNG
• Light/pale yellows or blues sound like good colours. Not because of the blues, yellows and whites the wiki uses in its design but because they just seem the best colours to use.
• I personally think textures would work better than flat colours. White/transparency might work but meh.
• Use official artwork, or manipulated official artworks.
• Use the same kind of style image across the banner.
• Limit the amount of images used.
• My laptop/browser/internet is/are shit.

That last one is irrelevant to the banner. However, it seems to be trying to stop me from typing this message.  ILHI ^{16:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)}

Hey, Yuan, when did you get back? Anyway, I stand by my idea of having a standard one that changes whenever something big is coming up, Be it a game release, or a holiday. Could be interesting, Hell, if that won't fly we can do a DC style thing where people post fan art and we vote for the "banner of the month." Exdeath64 21:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I have to assume you're oblivious to the original British English way of spelling "colour" or your one of those kinda people who think that everything should be done their way (ie. US Eng), and they get ticked off when it doesn't. (referring to an edit summary and not something he wrong in the forum)  ILHI 22:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, every few posts I have done have something like that (one time I fit half of a matchbox 20 song in, try to find it.), just checking to see if you lot even pay attention to those. After about 30 since joining the wiki, this is the first one that has been picked up. Congratulations. You have been used in a social experiment/minor joke. (And no, I don't care how people spell things on here. and before you say it, yes i have a life...) Exdeath64 01:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 02:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
		Last version, now featuring your beloved chocobo knight and some effects: [3]

		Lala the Montblanc Fan - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 06:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
		What's with the slanted crystal? 0_o The colors shouldn't be too bright either.

		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 15:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
		I know how to work with photoshop and I know what I want. This is my final version. Click

I don't like any of them, needs more popular characters. 1stclasswarrior 15:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Kain, Gilgamesh, Cloud, Vivi, moogles, and chocobos are not popular anymore? I like your latest one btw Henry, and Yuan's banners look nice too.--Otherarrow 15:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I like all of Henry's designs. He's already uploaded one to the wiki, so unless other users want to create their own banner, should we just use his? Otherwise we might want to have a poll between several different designs. 8bit 16:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm definitely a fan of Henry's last design. Do it now. --BlueHighwind ツ 16:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

HOLD IT! Where in the name of Kefka is Terra? Faethin^{verba volant} 16:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I forsees squabbling between VI and VII people over whether Cloud or terra should be on there ;) One thing I think we can all agree on, though, is that Henry's banner, Terra/Cloud or not, is much more preferable to the current banner. Let's replace it now and upload different versions depeding on character preferences later, yes? 8bit 16:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I have one complaint. The title is a little obscured by Gilgamesh. If you could only move it over a bit, it would be perfect. --BlueHighwind ツ 16:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Screenshots ftw! =D --Hecko X 17:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

AWESOMEST BANNER IN DA HOUSE. O_O - Henryacores^ 17:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

THAT IZ TEH AWESOMEREST. Srsly, I liek. ^_^ No, seriously, I like it. All these various characters chatting, like forums. It works.  ILHI 17:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks seriously great! *thinks of the Powerpuff Girls* (yay no more Balthier!) 118.136.71.6 a.k.a Kuzlalala Squee! 23:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

We should change what they say from time to time. For variety or something. Exdeath64 03:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

You could have made the moogles say "Kupo" at the end! Anyway, that aside, that is a a very good banner and it is a lot, lot, lot better than the previous one. Jeppo 12:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

• Gapes* I LUVZ. It uses emoticons AND a scene from Tactics Advance! XD 8bit 13:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

@Exdeath: No. =D Looking past the fact that it's completely fine the way it is, that changing the text whenever would be annoying for me to do, that due to copyright laws it's illegal for anyone BUT me to do it, that people would bicker whenever it was changed because not all will like the new dialogues, that there will be several pointless threads about "isn't about time we changed the dialogues", and a few other reasons I can't be bothered to write because I have a test tomorrow that I'm studying for, it's just an all-round bad idea =D --Hecko X 22:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, okay. Bad idea, i get it. And how do YOU have it copyrighted? (If this is a mistake and i misinterpreted your posting, my bad, its almost 10:00 PM here, so i am a tad tired). Exdeath64 04:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, I'm the "artist" who made it. Secondly, uploading to places like deviantART.com grants you copyright of your works =3 --Hecko X 08:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

In many countries, copyright applies as soon as the work has been created. Unless Hecko gives express permission or releases it under a different licence, it's under copyright. 58.110.32.38 10:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

What s/he said =3 Anywho, Ex, you are completely free to make one from scratch, you just aren't allowed to make a derivative work of the thing I made. --Hecko X 10:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, how of much of this is Hecko's? Looks like it belongs to Square Enix, only with some word bubbles covering it. --BlueHighwind ツ 12:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Backround is copyrighted by Square Enix, but as I am not using it for profit purposes and because I give them the credit they require for use of their product, I have, as far as I know, not broken any copyright laws. The rest was (obviously) done by me, but the finished product, as a whole, is by law considered mine only. --Hecko X 12:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)