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VII mentions character legacy. I guess that's good? /ramble [[Special:Contributions/195.195.234.235|195.195.234.235]] 12:41, December 18, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | {{User:Catuse167/Templates/Bubble|time=06:52, December 19, 2014 (UTC)|text=Why does shinra get a paragraph (when we're just using parentheses) (which are very listlike)? Wouldn't it be more sensible to drop everyone but Hojo and Rufus. We should divide character sections into lists: playable; significant (Hojo, Rufus, Turks, etc.); villains. And then legacy etc., which VII does right. This system also works with Lightning Saga, but we need to set down notability guidelines. XIII-2 has way too many side characters listed, while XIII has two random NORA people (who cares? just make a NORA bullet) but no mention of the fal'Cie. |
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+ | Reception is pretty questionable... just put the metacritic scores in Release or something and something big like Famitsu perfect scores in the intro. Like Kelt said, FF fans are too <del>dumbass</del> diverse to come to any sort of consensus about the games they play. <span style="0.5em">exceptallthebravestlol</span> |
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+ | I also think we should have an "ending notes" thing in the MoS, optional sections that can be at the end of ''every'' page containing metadata like refs and trivial stuff that can appear in any type of page on the wiki, even enemies or disambigs. That way we don't have to repeat ourselves for every different type of page in the MoS while also allowing for cases like Dissidia (and maybe All the Bravest?) where we need an etymology section. |
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+ | For some reason MoS groups Trivia and Allusions together. Trivia should be with other end notes imo, since Allusions are just a specific subset of Trivia. Actually, we might just cut this section altogether and put Allusions on their subpage where they righteously belong. |
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+ | Creating a proposed ordering below this post. h2 is first-level bullet, h3 is second-level bullet Feel free to edit it as you want. Note that stuff that isn't <del>del</del>ed or <ins>ins</ins>ed is as it was as of Kaimi's last revision, November 23rd, and anything since then are changes proposed in this thread.}} |
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Revision as of 06:52, 19 December 2014
I noticed that what we have on our game articles differs from what we have written in MoS: sections are either in wrong places, sections which are not in the MoS appears, and some have sections splitted into subsections. It's really maddening. I'll pickout a few game articles and you'll see what I'm saying.
Six games and we have a lot of differences between articles and MoS, at least in the game article space. We need to agree on game MoS and adjust the currently existing articles to what we will agree to. Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here! | |||
I think this was discussed ages ago and no one really commented. But anyway, regarding your specfic examples:
Okay, that's me on those specifically. On Reception, I vote no Reception on our wiki's pages. No one visits the Final Fantasy Wiki to learn about the critical reception of games, they visit to learn about the games themselves. If there is support for Reception pages, then I think we should add it for all our games, but it shouldn't get the same kind of coverage it does get on Wikipedia. More like what AtB has. Honestly, All the Bravest is the only reason I care for us ever having a Reception section if only as an excuse to tell people not to play it. That's it from me. | |||
I don't understand why "Release" should be under "Development". I understand "development" as in...short for "game development" (maybe it should be renamed if it's not obvious). Release info is not game development. Demo not sure. I think info on pre-order bonuses, special editions, regional differences on what is included, sales figures, and general reception is notable but maybe they could all be under the same section. SE arranges bunch of PR stuff around the time a game comes out that I think could at least be mentioned here, like the FFX art exhibition. Reception is a bit tricky because FF series has a notably | |||
Can we keep FFXIII/XIII-2 characters section the way it is? those NPCs are not playable but they're very important to the story and will be useful for the readers to read their info before reading the Story section. If we're gonna remove them, Lightning Returns will only have Lightning in that section. | |||
If we do that we need a policy for character inclusion. In games with minimal characters where a LoCharacters page isn't needed (see: D2H) we list all characters out of necessity; however LoCharacters page serve as main article so we don't need to list all the characters.
Our current policy is to list... what? I would probably make it include only characters we see as playable not-guest characters. Like, I don't think Sephiroth's little appearance in a battle gives him reason to be mentioned in the "Characters" list.
VII's page currently seems a little listy, in that it looks like it feels a need to list every Shinra exec when Heidegger, Scarlet, Palmer, Reeve... who cares? We shoud list them in groups. So first the bulleted main protagonists lists for the playable characters in games, then in following paragraphs we mention the different main groups at play. Ergo, for VII we give a paragraph to Shinra and mention a few of the independently important characters (pres, Rufus, Hojo; Turks as a whole); Sephiroth and Jenova; I guess no one else has significance. In X you have a few faces of Yevon, and Al Bhed. In VI Returners, Empire.
VII mentions character legacy. I guess that's good? /ramble 195.195.234.235 12:41, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
Catuse says at 06:52, December 19, 2014 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton." | |||
Why does shinra get a paragraph (when we're just using parentheses) (which are very listlike)? Wouldn't it be more sensible to drop everyone but Hojo and Rufus. We should divide character sections into lists: playable; significant (Hojo, Rufus, Turks, etc.); villains. And then legacy etc., which VII does right. This system also works with Lightning Saga, but we need to set down notability guidelines. XIII-2 has way too many side characters listed, while XIII has two random NORA people (who cares? just make a NORA bullet) but no mention of the fal'Cie. Reception is pretty questionable... just put the metacritic scores in Release or something and something big like Famitsu perfect scores in the intro. Like Kelt said, FF fans are too I also think we should have an "ending notes" thing in the MoS, optional sections that can be at the end of every page containing metadata like refs and trivial stuff that can appear in any type of page on the wiki, even enemies or disambigs. That way we don't have to repeat ourselves for every different type of page in the MoS while also allowing for cases like Dissidia (and maybe All the Bravest?) where we need an etymology section. For some reason MoS groups Trivia and Allusions together. Trivia should be with other end notes imo, since Allusions are just a specific subset of Trivia. Actually, we might just cut this section altogether and put Allusions on their subpage where they righteously belong. Creating a proposed ordering below this post. h2 is first-level bullet, h3 is second-level bullet Feel free to edit it as you want. Note that stuff that isn't | |||
Proposed Ordering
- intro
- Gameplay
- Setting
- Characters
- Story
- Novelization etc. is an h3 here
- Music
- Development
- Themes
- Ports and Remakes
- Release
- Expansions for MMOs
- DLC for non-MMOs
- Production Credits
- Voice
- Allusions
and Trivia - Packaging Artwork
- endnotes