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		Kaimi - Leblanc: "What? Where's Vegnagun?" Yuna: "Not here." Leblanc: "It must have fled in terror, knowing I was coming." TALK - Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 18:15, August 7, 2012 (UTC) (Best viewed with Square721 BT installed.)



		I noticed that on all, or nearly all, pages that describe drespheres from Final Fantasy X-2 we list every single level along with its all stats. Personally, I think this is not a good idea and order: Strength—Magic—Defense—Magic Defense is rather strange as personally I prefer Strength—Defence—Magic—Magic Defence which I think most people find eye-appealing. As for levels, I think we should list only levels:1, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, and 99. Also, I think the most eye-appealing order for listing stat changes is: HP—MP—Strength—Defence—Magic—Magic Defence—Agility—Evasion—Accuracy—Luck. I can handle the dressphere tables myself, but I need your opinion of what do you think.


		Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME TALK - Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:19, August 7, 2012 (UTC)



		The order of stats is like it is in the game, Strength first then Magic. Cropping some of the levels would make it smaller, but be careful with some of the...hmmm...nuances of the stats, because some stats first go up and then go down as you level up more, and this fluctuation may not be obvious if you don't have enough levels to display it, and it might just look like the stats for stuff like Speed are just random. Some stats also stagnate after certain level, so for those you wouldn't need to show any stats after certain point.


		Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME TALK - Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:28, August 7, 2012 (UTC)



		Looking at Thief, if you axe everything but the even ten levels, you lose the info that Thief's Speed peaks at LV91-97. But then it's only one point different so maybe it doesn't matter? But then again, person looking at a stats table to begin with might be looking something like exactly what is a Thief's highest Speed. We could crop the table and then add a paragraph explaining the stat progression in prose where it can be mentioned that a Thief's Speed peaks at LV91-97?


		Kaimi - "Do you know what it felt like to watch them die? Right before my eyes? It was the only thing we could do. It was the only choice we had. I gave in, I accepted, I believed." TALK - 18:36, August 7, 2012 (UTC) (Best viewed with Square721 BT installed.)



		Well, that menu order sucks at this moment as horizontal order is not always the best and I like to have correlating stats next to each other rather (Strength—Defence, Magic—Magic Defence, Agility—Evasion, Accuracy—Luck) than remember which column is for which stat. Also, we could break the length of the table by putting each, I don't know, 10 levels, maybe 20, in each tab (although I'm more keen on 10 levels per tab).


		Shockstorm TALK - 18:48, August 7, 2012 (UTC)



		Personally I think we should keep all the stats, maybe make the table collapsible or use tabs. Explaining the stats via text instead could also work, but it should be pretty comprehensive.


		Bluestarultor - Blue Psychic Best-of Stellar Arena TALK - 02:00, August 14, 2012 (UTC)



		As an information database, we should keep the full tables. Because, really, if the info is there, it's best to have it for anyone who needs it. As the biggest and best of what we do, if someone needs to find what a level 37 Mascot's Speed is, it's out job to do our best to provide it. If we really need to break them up, we can use tabs to break them up into digestable blocks.


		Catuse says at 02:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC) for great justice... "Never trust a man until you've run a mile in his shoes. Then you're a mile away from him and you've stolen his shoes."



		Trouble is, Bluesey, as it is, it's ridiculously unwieldy. Perhaps something like this:

StatsEdit

Level	HP	MP	Strength	Magic	Defense	Magic Defense	Agility	Accuracy	Evasion	Luck
10	497	55	24	21	16	45	58	108	17	24
20	896	74	39	32	24	54	60	110	19	26
30	1267	92	53	43	32	62	62	112	21	28
40	1611	108	66	52	39	69	63	112	22	30
50	1928	123	78	62	45	76	64	114	24	31
60	2217	136	89	70	51	81	65	115	25	33
70	2479	147	99	77	57	85	66	116	26	34
80	2714	157	107	84	61	89	67	116	27	36
90	2921	165	115	91	65	93	67	117	29	37
99	3084	170	121	96	68	95	67	117	29	37

StatsEdit

Level	HP	MP	Strength	Magic	Defense	Magic Defense	Agility	Accuracy	Evasion	Luck
1	114	35	8	11	7	36	57	107	15	22
2	158	37	10	12	8	37	57	107	15	22
3	201	39	12	13	9	38	57	107	15	22
4	244	41	13	14	10	39	57	107	15	22
5	287	44	15	15	11	40	57	107	16	23
6	330	46	17	16	11	41	57	107	16	23
7	372	48	18	17	12	42	57	107	16	23
8	414	50	20	18	13	43	57	107	16	23
9	455	52	22	19	14	44	57	107	16	23
10	497	55	24	21	16	45	58	108	17	24
11	538	57	25	22	16	45	58	108	17	24
12	579	58	27	24	17	47	58	108	17	24
13	619	60	29	25	18	48	59	108	17	24
14	660	62	29	26	19	49	59	109	17	24
15	700	65	31	27	20	50	59	109	18	25
16	739	66	33	28	20	50	59	109	18	25
17	779	68	34	29	21	51	59	109	18	25
18	818	70	36	29	22	52	59	109	18	25
19	857	72	37	30	22	53	59	109	18	25
20	896	74	39	32	24	54	60	110	19	26
21	934	76	40	33	24	54	60	110	19	26
22	972	78	42	34	25	55	60	110	19	26
23	1010	79	43	35	26	55	60	110	19	26
24	1048	81	44	37	27	57	60	110	19	26
25	1085	83	46	38	28	58	60	110	20	27
26	1122	85	48	38	28	59	61	110	20	27
27	1159	87	48	39	28	60	61	110	20	27
28	1195	88	50	40	29	60	61	111	20	27
29	1231	90	52	41	30	61	61	111	20	27
30	1267	92	53	43	32	62	62	112	21	28
31	1303	94	54	43	32	62	62	112	21	28
32	1338	95	56	44	33	62	62	112	21	28
33	1373	97	57	45	33	63	62	112	21	28
34	1408	98	58	46	34	64	62	112	21	28
35	1443	100	60	47	35	65	62	112	22	29
36	1477	102	61	48	35	66	62	112	22	29
37	1511	103	62	49	36	67	62	112	22	29
38	1545	105	63	50	36	68	62	112	21	29
39	1578	106	65	51	37	69	63	112	21	29
40	1611	108	66	52	39	69	63	112	22	30
41	1644	110	67	53	39	69	63	112	22	30
42	1677	111	68	54	39	70	63	113	22	30
43	1709	112	70	55	40	70	63	113	22	30
44	1741	114	70	55	41	71	63	113	22	30
45	1773	116	72	56	42	72	63	113	23	31
46	1805	117	73	57	41	72	63	113	23	31
47	1836	118	74	58	42	73	63	113	23	31
48	1867	120	75	59	43	74	63	113	23	31
49	1898	121	77	60	44	75	63	113	23	30
50	1928	123	78	62	45	76	64	114	24	31
51	1958	124	79	62	45	75	64	114	24	31
52	1988	125	80	63	46	76	65	114	24	31
53	2018	126	82	64	47	77	65	114	24	31
54	2047	128	82	64	47	77	65	114	23	31
55	2076	130	83	65	48	78	65	114	24	32
56	2105	131	85	66	48	78	65	115	24	32
57	2133	132	85	66	48	79	64	114	24	32
58	2162	133	86	67	49	79	64	114	24	32
59	2190	134	88	68	50	80	64	114	24	32
60	2217	136	89	70	51	81	65	115	25	33
61	2245	137	89	71	51	81	65	115	25	33
62	2272	138	91	71	52	81	65	115	25	33
63	2299	139	92	72	52	82	65	115	25	33
64	2325	140	92	73	53	82	65	115	25	33
65	2352	142	93	73	53	83	66	115	25	34
66	2378	143	95	74	53	83	66	115	25	34
67	2404	144	95	74	54	84	66	115	25	34
68	2429	145	96	75	54	84	66	115	25	34
69	2454	145	97	76	55	85	66	115	25	34
70	2479	147	99	77	57	85	66	116	26	34
71	2504	148	99	78	56	85	66	116	26	34
72	2528	149	100	79	57	86	66	116	26	34
73	2552	150	101	80	57	87	66	116	26	34
74	2576	151	101	80	58	87	66	116	26	34
75	2600	152	103	81	59	88	66	116	27	35
76	2623	153	104	81	58	88	66	116	26	35
77	2646	154	104	82	59	88	66	116	26	35
78	2669	155	105	82	59	89	67	116	26	35
79	2692	155	106	83	60	89	67	116	26	35
80	2714	157	107	84	61	89	67	116	27	36
81	2736	158	107	85	61	89	67	116	27	36
82	2757	158	108	85	61	89	67	116	27	36
83	2779	159	109	86	62	90	67	116	27	36
84	2800	160	109	87	62	91	67	117	26	36
85	2821	161	110	88	63	91	67	117	27	36
86	2841	162	111	88	62	92	67	117	27	36
87	2862	162	111	89	63	92	67	117	27	36
88	2882	163	113	89	63	92	67	117	28	36
89	2901	164	114	90	64	93	67	117	28	36
90	2921	165	115	91	65	93	67	117	29	37
91	2940	166	115	92	65	92	68	117	29	37
92	2959	166	116	92	65	92	68	117	28	37
93	2978	167	117	92	66	93	68	117	28	37
94	2996	167	117	93	66	93	68	117	28	37
95	3014	169	118	93	67	93	68	117	29	38
96	3032	169	119	95	66	94	68	117	29	38
97	3050	169	119	95	67	95	68	117	29	38
98	3067	170	120	95	67	95	67	117	29	37
99	3084	170	121	96	68	95	67	117	29	37


		Xenomic TALK - 02:56, August 14, 2012 (UTC)



		Or ya know, could put them on a subpage if you think it's too much for on the page itself?


		Bluestarultor - Blue Psychic Best-of Stellar Arena TALK - 18:39, August 14, 2012 (UTC)



		I disagree that it's enough to justify creating that many subpages over, which would double the whole shebang. Whether we use tabs or simply collapse them, it's best not to split up information more than is needed and in truth, most of them are fairly short without it.


		Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME TALK - Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 00:06, August 15, 2012 (UTC)



		Trainer and I think Mascot have unique stats for each girl so those articles have three tables of stats. That can be quite a strain. I don't think a subpage is a terrible idea, but collapsing would work too.


		Bluestarultor - Blue Psychic Best-of Stellar Arena TALK - 00:37, August 15, 2012 (UTC)



		I'm going to say the exceptions shouldn't force the rule. That's why we have links to each heading. For the most part, the pages are relatively small excluding the tables in question, but the tables aren't big enough to justify an entire article unless we make one with all of them, which would be even more of a problem than things are now.

We could make a table that shows only every ten levels. By clicking on the 10th level (e.g. the "20" cell) it would expand and drop-down the next nine levels (e.g. 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29) above the next 10th level (e.g. the 30 row). I'm not sure that's a good explanation. But it would require JavaScript. 79.69.196.154 01:20, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

I understand what you're trying to say. I disagree on it, though. Most people simply wouldn't know how to use it. We need to keep things accessible. Bluestarultor ^BSA 01:58, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

If we made the 10th rows background colours change to #DDDDDD when you put your cursor on them, and also explain at the top briefly how the table functions, then I don't necessarily see a problem. 79.69.202.171 14:21, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

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