I am thinking that we should have some sort of cache for broken links so that people can fix them and make new pages for broken links (Sort of what we have for ambiguous links).SeraphimZephyr (talk) 15:26, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
- We have Special:Wantedpages, but AFAIK there's no way to make it only list mainspace pages that we need. 22.214.171.124 18:51, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! I've been editing FFWIKI for a while, changing ambiguous links and added photos and was wondering where I could help with broken links. Thanks for the information.SeraphimZephyr (talk) 15:26, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, Me AgainEdit
This place is a mess. I've come to the conclusion that it may be irredemable. In the past 3 months it's been updated 16 times, by 7 people. A lot of those edits were by me. Since it specifically mentions that an admin verify that the task is completed, which hasn't happened in a year and a half, plus the majority of the offers here are in the Walkthrough section, and lots of people who aren't the ones who made the offer have been finishing tasks -- in which case it can't be marked as Complete -- it's very hard to keep under control.
"...we could just make this page a bulletin of all tasks that need to be done, signed by the person who added the task, and a link to where to discuss the task. Then all users who are interested don't have to sign their name, can participate and stop participating when they like, and know where to go/which user to go to to help on a specific task. I liked that idea more and more as I typed it."
That was JBed, speaking on this page's archive. Thing is, this wiki is one of those things that "looks complete to a newcomer" -- I used Kelt's words since she said it best. So doing away with this isn't a good option.
Rather, it would make sense to redesign it, such as the way JBed suggested. That never went far -- possibly because hardly anyone responded to that. I dunno if anyone will respond to this -- it took almost a month to get multiple opinions on the matter last time, and judging by this thing's lack of use it won't this time.
If somebody cares this time, then perhaps use a system like this (using the first incomplete project as an example):
This wiki doesn't have nearly as many active users as it used to, and most users have their own on-wiki projects that they pick up and whatnot. I have a bazillion projects at each time and I will never complete most of them. And there are ten bazillion projects I know that I could do very easily if I didn't have a bazillion projects at this current time.
And all the time more projects are being added, I mean most people probably don't even know this, but the tables on the wiki are supposed to be reformatted so instead of having cellpadding, cellspacing, and border parameters, they should just have "class="table"". So there's always something to do, and our users are doing it.
But it's our current users that have all these projects to do. Occasionally we'll have a new user saying there's nothing to do, then a user to two will give them a few ideas and that user will never be seen again... or at least never in mainspace. I guess you just have to be the editing kind of person, because there are few people, if not, none, who have joined the wiki with an intent to not contribute to mainspace and gradually made mainspace their priority. Granted, there are users who initially signed up for DNC and suchlike but made a quick transition to mainspace-- they found something to do and did it.
And as a further point, many users who have their own projects on the wiki like doing their projects and don't necessarily want to collaborate with other users on achieving that goal. Or if they do, then they often pick the users they would like to help them. And in some cases letting any amateur user do it won't get it done properly. From my POV, if a task isn't done by me it won't be the done the way it should be done or the way I want it. The only time I ever delegate tasks is usually when I ask Kelt to improve my wording, grammar, and general English; and I also just post an images template on the top of articles I write simply because when I write articles that is what I am doing at the time and that is all I care about doing.
Now if I bring all my previous paragraphs together... I've actually forgotten the point. I'm sure most of what I have said is irrelevant to the situation.
I suppose I'll make up a new point (which may have been my old point but I have forgotten it). We don't have that many users. Most of these users do tasks when they see that they need doing, and do not need a To-Do List to find and do them. They're always working and do things as and when. So few of these users will be inclined to post something on a To-Do List, which is the first reason it doesn't see that much interest. The second reason it doesn't see that much interest is because we don't have that many new users interested in working.
In reality, we have few people that would add tasks to this, and few people who would use this. Or maybe that's because it's not prominent enough. We need to re-tool the Welcome template including the link, and add a link to the mainpage. We once had a section that was designed to encourage activity but it was removed within a few months.
I support redesigning the page. It think it can be useful, because if you are just new coming to the wiki, then it can be hard to know what to do. Although, if you start just by doing little edits here and there, moving comma here and there, then you probably will come across something that needs work and you will find your place. Still, it's not a bad place to start.
We should do away with the sign ups to start with. And maybe we don't need an admin to decide whether a task is complete? I think anyone could remove it, but then if someone else disagrees they can put the task back up and maybe clarify which bits are still not done.Keltainentoukokuu 02:08, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
there are few people, if not, none, who have joined the wiki with an intent to not contribute to mainspace and gradually made mainspace their priority
- I was one, but haven't seen anyone like me... guess you're right.
the tables on the wiki are supposed to be reformatted
- That's the sort of thing that should go on a To-Do List. Not user projects. I'd gladly put "Add AI Script to all FFVII enemy pages", since that's done systematically, if anyone read this page. It makes it clear and well-organized what's going on around here.
We don't have that many users.
- Yeah, I know. We certainly are better than the Radiant Historia Wiki, and lots others. I can list off all the users who edit here and only expect to miss one or two. That section designed to encourage activity, or whatever it was... I'd like to see that, because I'm relatively new here and it makes me wonder if it could have any effect.
Salvaging the To-Do List would make it clear the Wiki could benefit from a newbie's help. While I don't want to take the initiative until we reach a consensus, I think if there's no reason to, take Kelt's suggestions of doing away with sign-ups and admin intervention. Both cause problems for this poor List. We can see where it goes from there.(Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW22:07, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
- One of the key things about removing signups and admin intervention is you can't tell when the to-do list is being neglected, which means it won't look so bad. And also it won't look awful. I don't know if it's just me, but once too many usernames are written on a page, it just starts to look more and more awful. Also why is this purple? AJD did it and I don't know why.
- "I was one, but haven't seen anyone like me... guess you're right."
- Well, not really. Most users here joined because of DNC. (I started editing here to stalk a user, but before that I made an account to vote in a tourney). However, most of us take a look at mainspace and RC and settle into editing very quickly. My point has been lost because I realise it's not a very important point. What I was saying is a gradual movement in mainspace from users doesn't happen often. The core users of this site just float around the wiki and edit by themselves.
- "Not user projects."
- In case this refers to my frequent use of the word "projects" and project belonging to a user, I mean something that the wiki needs done. Like right now I have my own project to upload all the models from FFVII, and another project to update the VII enemy template to feature a Manipulate list and use a new status system. These are my own projects.
- If that's not what you meant when you said that, blegh.
- Also, Catuse, if you notice not many people care about a particular matter, what you must to do is you must do something. If people aren't willing to contribute to a matter it means they don't care. If they only respond to you after you make a change then it is their problem for not paying attention to active discussions.
- Three is consensus. And there were some other people in the archive too. Make the change. I would do it myself but I don't know what you have in mind. Actually, I'm going to just remove stuff that doesn't make any sense now. 126.96.36.199 23:50, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
- It's an improvement I'd say.Keltainentoukokuu 00:57, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
I added more tasks, removed finished ones, and am wondering if our next action should be to remove the Walkthrough sections. Sure, it's the one used the most, but is filled with people "considering it" and "stopped" (OK, I removed those) and calls for a walkthrough of every single translation of every single game. Not good. Also, because Zi'tah, Yuan's chibi gallery, and Project:Fanart are all going/gone the way of the horse and buggy, I don't really think we need a "Fandom" section.(Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW18:51, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- A long time ago I removed walkthroughs from the To-Do List we already have a completed copy of. If we're going to treat Walkthrough with any importance other than on on-site GameFAQs we need all out bases covered.
- Change "walkthrough" things to "Complete a *blah* walkthrough".
- Yes, kill fandom section because that is not considered as beneficial to the wiki.
- Also, we need to kill signups. Even if that means I have to go through all the current tasks and find the user that suggested it to add an "Added by" thing, I'll do it. (but not now, or within the next week, I'm busy) JBed 18:58, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
Killing the signup and admin observations is a pretty good move for this list. I think it should be more democratized - community-driven. Things that take up small efforts would have seen more action that larger ones. I withheld putting the nihongo template for ages - I think I read somewhere that when you add something to the To-do List you're just prolonging them, and pretty soon you forget.
- I dunno about other people but in my case the TDL serves a reminder, not a procrastination tool. As for this week, I'll be busy on that one too, so I probably won't be able to find the guy either... if he's still on Wikia. :/ I saw the Admin Noticeboard idea, and liked it. I thought it was completely forgotten though.(Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW19:34, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
The person who set it up, including sign-ups, was Hecko X. Good luck getting a hold of him -- but it looks like the TDL got lots of use back in the day.(Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW21:36, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- That's not what I meant, but forget it. Although it is rather interesting, yet predictable, that Hecko created this page.
- But anyway, the removal of signups needs to occur soon. But we need to think of a suitable format.
- User added by
- Additional information/relevant discussion
- Considering date, and possibly status. My concerns with "priority" is any user can add something and say "Highest priority evar!".
- Also if we had status, it would be interesting to see how it would be done. It would have to be relevant to how far the task/project is in. So if it were to "reformat VII enemy infoboxes", would we write "25%", "102/408", "Up to Eligor", or just "Started"?
- I mean, if I suggested something that involved massive reformatting, I am the kind of person that would make a list of all pages that need to be edited and strike out which ones have been done. In which case the second or third suggestion would be more suitable. Other times we won't be able to record how much of the process has been done. And most times we won't be able to do it individudally. Status could be case-by-case though. JBed 22:25, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
Do we need user added by? Yes, I suggested that, but why? Only reason I can think of is in case you need to contact the creator for some reason, and isn't that what discussion is for? Esp. since there's a bunch already there and nobody knows who they were added by. Format IMO:
- Additional information, e.g. links to sources, etc.
- Completion status if possible. "To Eligor" is the best format if done alphabetically (like all the pages in a category or somethin'). Otherwise link to a userspace/forumspace with a link, or nothing at all. Case by case is our best bet.
- Priority... Actually, scratch that. I wish I could say stuff like "Low" for converting the controller button images to controller button templates, but you're right. Common sense, contrary to its name, is quite rare and so this isn't worth it.
- Discussion, or a link to the necessary forum/talk thread.(Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW23:41, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
The page needs a bit more of a spotlighting too. People need to say "check the to do list", "did you see the to do list?" "wow, been busy at the to do list." "youre bored? theres the to do list." "taking a break from getting mangled by a malboro? check the to do list." That kind of attention. BLUER一番 15:39, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
It used to have a link on the home page. Actually, I don't know what Mission Time! is, but the point is this: the actual text Mission Time! links to the To-Do List. (Cat + meow)(RC + Sbox) = FFW04:37, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Pages in category count Edit
Now that the screenshots category has been swept up and sorted, courtesy of moi, Shockstorm and Omega Mk XII, there are currently no screenshots loose in there, but the count on the TDL still shows up as 37 due to there being 37 sub-categories in the category itself. So, just letting everyone know the reason why that's showing up. Ffs Wikia. Tia-Lewise 17:47, July 6, 2012 (UTC)