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Due to the prominent usage of the Forums, the Returner's Conclave has lost its function as a place to discuss FFWiki-wide changes. All discussions that had taken place in the Returner's Conclave has been Archived.

This talk page is now preserved as the page to discuss the Returner's Conclave page.

Revival Edit

I'm opening a discussion here to address the issue of admin activity, or rather the lack of it, and find feedback on whether my proposed solution to the issue is sound:

• That we would revive the Returner's Conclave into an administrator's noticeboard where users can discuss matters that need admin intervention, such as moves, protections, deletions, redirects, mergers, reviews of said actions, user conduct and the like, which would garner more attention from more admins than one,
• That it would be under their watchlist for immediate action.
• That all discussion pertaining said matters can easily be archived and indexed into this project page to make it more accessible to the community.

Of course, the proposed structure isn't exactly thought upon yet. But making sure our maintenance template can point out to one centralized place for discussion would make them all easily organized and quickly addressed upon. Thoughts and suggestions would definitely be welcomed. ^BLUER一番 17:28, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Project space hasn't been looked at for years. I promote any change, especially ones that involve large amounts of contribution by the admins, and regards recent matters. Although we can't just replace this. We surely still need a portal for project pages? 79.69.192.184 17:46, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

You're right that the project space has been neglected a while and lots of policies need to be updated. For example, our Scope needs to be revisited again due to the Super Mario RPG article that could see it, and a host of other game articles that follow its standing, be removed. And yes, a centralized portal is needed but I believe the portal shouldn't be stagnant. What if we make the portal and noticeboard in one setting?

I can't be up for a bit more tho, I need to get to sleep for work tomorrow. I would love to hear more suggestions so we can run this through. ^BLUER一番 17:52, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Edit conflict: A list of what each staff member was good at (such as different games or different kinds of articles) was discussed. This could go on the new Returner's Conclave to help guide some of these admin notices. I agree with JBed though; we can't just nuke the Returners' Conclave, outdated as it is (FFWiki a history seriously needs to be updated). Maybe we should put this on Forum:Index or Forum:Rin's Travel Agency? That way it's easy for people to see and more relevant than the Returners' Conclave. ScatheMote 17:54, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

We can't just nuke everything from the current content of this page, but we could create a specific sub-section (eg "The Old Conclave") and put everything that is currently held within the page there. This would save us the trouble of thinking up where to put each one of the current links or discarding them altogether. The importance of the Conclave is mainly historical and rather meta, so deciding where to put each section, should we decide to completely redesign the page, would be just bothersome, I think. [[w:c:finalfantasy:User:Faethin|<font color="dimgray" face="minstrel" size="3">'''Fëasindë'''</font>]] ^{[[w:c:finalfantasy:User talk: Faethin|<font color="black">''te audio''</font>]]} 23:33, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think this page should keep its purpose as a portal and we should create a new area for the purpose of general admin- discussion. The first step in reviving this portal is choosing what type of discussions we want to be had at this new Admin Noticeboard, and what should be redirected to be discussed at Rin's Travel Agency, which is what is currently done. There is absolutely no harm in using a project page for the sole purpose of discussion. We aren't necessarily restricted to comment only in -talk pages.

A list of what each staff member was good at (such as different games or different kinds of articles) was discussed.

I truly believe that this sort of info has place in Final Fantasy Wiki:Staff. Moderators also should also have a part in this. But the most important is that it is made, no matter where. - Henryacores^ 23:50, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I am trying to come up with names for this new bulletin board, and all I can think of is "Imperial Senate", or "Shinra HQ Floor 66". - Henryacores^ 23:54, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I suggest splitting the Magicite Madness, April's Fools and Coolest\Lamest thing ever stuff and Forum section into two, and create a new area featuring everything that involves constant community interaction i.e. this new page. - Henryacores^ 00:02, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Instead of listing what everyone's good at individually, maybe just have some kind of Contact the FFWiki info somewhere. Contact Wikia about advertsing and server downtime and whatever the hell else and link to Wikia Community Central. Want to affiliate with the FFWiki? contact ...who? Find misinformation on the wiki? Post it on the article's talkpage, or if it is a general problem spanning more than one article, post it on Rin's Travel Agency (or fix it yourself, duh, but many people are reluctant to touch articles that look "complete" and instead just want to bring it up). (If you get no answer you may ask again after a few days or contact staff directly.) Need help editing/making a talk bubble/making a user page/have question about policy? Ask any staff member on their talk page (should be more specific?). If you don't get an answer try someone else, sometimes staff is unable to answer within few days though this should be rare. Want something on the wiki that isn't already there? Post it on the to-do list, article talk page, or forums(?).Keltainentoukokuu 01:32, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

You mean something like this page? We could expand it. — Yuan^Salut_Acta 01:55, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oh-hoo nice, I wasn't really aware of that page.Keltainentoukokuu 02:58, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think that no matter what, there is a necessity of clearly listing each staff member's area of expertise somewhere. - Henryacores^ 10:12, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I fully support that. We could even assign staff members - moderators and admins alike, into some sort of "department" so you could best refer to said members for image problems or technical problems.

Although I'm still waiting for feedback on the Administrator Noticeboard proposal. I think I should start a sandbox version somewhere. ^BLUER一番 18:21, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I may be getting this wrong, but the sole reason why I think that the fields each staff member is best at should be clearly available is for the very same reason you want to create those hypothetical structures. For that, I think there's no need to present the same thing twice.

In short: I think showing where each staff member is better at is pretty much enough. - 21:25, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, following up to the discussion: the consensus is for the Conclave to be retained as a portal. This means this project page will need to be updated with the links to project pages which users most likely would need in their travails here. I see no problems here in deciding which linkage would go where, as I've recently started reorganizing our pages under the Final Fantasy Wiki category into their respective classes. So now we need to update this portal.

The next matter to discuss is whether to get an admin noticeboard up for users to discuss merging, deletion, protection, vandalism and technical and administrative issues under one collective which would hopefully also act as an archive for their following discussions - which needs further decision on organization and what not, or, just let a user - anonymous and named - to request an admin's help in their talk page - some of which may be protected. ^BLUER一番 18:27, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I believe we're all going for the first option. Maybe, if it doesn't become too confusing, we can make a home page for this noticeboard, listing admins and introducing them, while featuring links to subpages of the noticeboard where each of said topics could be discussed, not much different than forum, but with the sole purpose of simple administrative requests\discussion and a lack of threads. Each of these subpages would then have their own archives. This is an easy way to sort information and averting a page set for administrative issues from becoming a jungle.

So it would be something like this:

I think we can stick with only the main board for now, then if it begins to become unwieldy, then we can start dividing it into subpages as shown above. Archives can be done as above regardless, though it'll require more organisation. — Yuan^Salut_Acta 22:56, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. Also, I would like to suggest a basic layout where every header should be simple and discriptive, featuring a direct link to the issue in question. - Henryacores^ 23:31, October 16, 2011 (UTC)