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FF2 and LevelsEdit

The Did You Know Box said that FF2 is the only mainstream game thus far to not use levels for stat growth. Whoever wrote that has obviously not played FFX. Dachimotsu7734 05:10, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

You (and it) are both partially right. The did you know box should have just stopped at " not use levels". As far as FFX, it requires levels to gain stats...if you don't have the levels (and AP), you can't improve your stats through the sphere grid. 03:28, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Errors and SuggestionsEdit

Shemhazai WAS based on a previous FF villain. Shemhazai's designer said it was based on Ultimecia. Also, I think we should add that Dirge of Cerberus was the first game to use Omega as a plot element. Dachimotsu7734

Doesn't it seem odd that they: 1) Skipped VI and VII then; 2) Didn't just call her Ultimecia or have some kind of reference to Ultimecia somewhere (like her title or backstory). Can you point out where it was said she's based on Ultimecia? Diablocon 17:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Check Shemhazai's page. It's in the trivia section. But for some reason, the bit about her designer making the claim was editted out. Also, VI wasn't skipped. Zalera was based on Kefka. Why VII was skipped, I think is because it gets too much attention as it is. Dachimotsu7734
That's just speculation. It clearly says nothing is definite about the connection. ScatheMote 18:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Meh... Still, that second thing I said, in my original comment, still holds true. There's no argument there. Dachimotsu7734
Isn't it the only one thus far? I can't think of another, if there is I haven't played it.  ILHI 18:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


Well what about Jenova transformed into sephy killing aeris? Altima killing Ramza ?:) Technically you an also count in Auron and Yunalesca. And if you were picky Galuf and Ex-death. 01:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Because Exdeath killing Galuf happened first, numb-nuts...I've always wanted to use that insult here. :p Drake Clawfang
Wait, wut? This should really be spoiler-free. I Lion Heart I 16:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I should think that this template should list down basically curious and interesting trivia, not something that is matter of fact obvious or something speculative.Bluer 16:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. But what would be defined as "obvious"? Say, Cloud's Limit Break is obvious to most, or Squall using a Gunblade, but something like Exdeath killing Galuf isn't something everyone would know. Drake Clawfang
That's the problem. On a wiki, what seems obvious to us isn't so much to the casual passer-by. Grab a more casual fan and ask them who the first female main character was, and they'll probably say Yuna, not Terra. I think it just requires some judgement on the contributor's part. Diablocon 16:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Can we really do the "Zidane is the first theif protaganist"? I consider Locke the main character of FFVI and isn't his job class (as much as he disagrees) theif? --Maverick King 18:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Locke was not the protagonist. Terra is, she is the hero in Dissidia, she is referred to as the protagonist in the Final Fantasy Retrospective, and she is more important to the plot than Locke is. Tired of this debate. How about we call the Warrior of Light the first Thief protagonist since he technically can be one? Drake Clawfang 18:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm with Drake, remove that Zidane was the first thief. :p   I Lion Heart I 18:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
...And that the Main Theme of Final Fantasy VI is also Terra's Theme CookiePinguy 23:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Or we can do something else for Zidane to avoid this whole thing. How about "Zidane Tribal was the only protagonist to be created as an Angel of Death" or "Zidane Tribal is a Genome"? 8bit 18:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


I saw the recent re-edit of this Did You Know page. I hadn't seen the listing given to FF4, which I agree would prove too redundant to list twice. Despite this, I feel it's extremely peculiar and somewhat of a disservice to the character that while we acknowledge FF4 as being the first to contain a romance element as central to the story, we simultaneously overlook the character who brought that element to the game in the first place. I'm not saying we should add a mention of Rosa to what it already says, but I still can't help but feel there has to be some way of reconciling this continuous issue. Not to mention, of the listings for games, FF4 is the only one to make mention of something tied heavily to a specific character, while the other games use more general factoids. PaladinCecil 08:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Romance in FF4 primarily concerns three characters, and about three more if you count Rydia, Edge and Edward. Romance in the game extends as a plot device far beyond Rosa. Drake Clawfang 08:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for these long things, I'll make this short as I can (if I can remove what's above, I will). I've always thought the best part of FF4 was how they incorporated story into the battle system (Cecil's trial, Tellah's spell, etc). I don't recall any of the prior games doing this. My proposition is changing the FF4 entry to state that, and adding a Rosa entry to state what we currently have for the entry on FF4. And to quickly respond to Drake: that's true, but there's always a character that carries the bulk of it, and that's undeniably Rosa, just as it's Garnet in FF9, Rinoa in FF8, and Yuna in FF10. PaladinCecil 08:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
No one carries the bulk of love, love is not dependent on a single person - it's Rinoa and Squall, Yuna and Tidus, Cloud, Aeris and Tifa. FF4's love triangle had three members - why note Rosa as the character, and not Cecil, or Kain? Given your track record PC, this sounds like a fanboy's request. Drake Clawfang 08:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I figured that Rosa as the central topic made that obvious. Why note Rosa and not the others? Because she IS the central figure in the romance plot. Yaoi fangirls to the contrary, Cecil and Kain do not love each other, but they both love Rosa. I'd do a further break-down, but whenever I do that, people hate me more. I feel my previous proposal would suffice. PaladinCecil 08:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I frankly don't see the point. If you're that desperate for Rosa to be mentioned here, think of something else. Drake Clawfang 08:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Fine, forget it. I should've known you guys wouldn't allow this character to have something even so small as a line on a side-box to give her a tiny morsel of recognition and respect for what she added to the series. I'm not going to try to think of anything else because not only was that the big thing she brought to the game, but if I think of anything else, some other reason not to grant it to her will inevitably be given. EOT PaladinCecil 08:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Quit the crocodile tears and take a look, I added her to the template. Now shut up. Drake Clawfang 08:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll be honest and say it feels a little empty considering my true perspective on things, especially after that argument and that BOTH perspectives (of a different entry for FF4 itself AND for a new Rosa entry) are ones I feel would fit perfectly and more appropriately, but it's still something and that's what counts. Thank you (sincerely). PaladinCecil 08:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I'm really trying to leave it where it is. I know I should, there's nothing inherently wrong with this arrangement and it's better than nothing, but I just... can't. Is there somewhere we can go to talk it out? I don't want to clutter this any more than I have to, and I know people hate me more and more whenever I pour all my thoughts out. I have much I could say on the FF4 entry change idea, not just the Rosa one. PaladinCecil 09:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I had it continuing here, but usually doing that annoys people, so I moved it to my Talk Page. Please go there on my thoughts and arguments about the FF4 and Rosa entries for this part of the site. PaladinCecil 09:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

FFX is the first FF to have a direct sequel? Edit

Isn't that supposed to be FFIV? IV is before X. Unless you are only counting which sequel was first, but it says which game was the first in the series to have a sequel, which is FFIV.

FFX-2 came out years before The After Years. --BlueHighwind 18:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Why are people stupid? Drake Clawfang 18:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
They're not. I guess the quote was unclear. Fixing. --BlueHighwind 18:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Harsh words Clawfang. -Azul81677 19:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I know FFX-2 was the first sequel, but it wasn't the first in the series to have a sequel. Just pointing that out. It was worded wrong in my opinion.

No it wasn't FFX the first to have a sequel; it was FFV The Legend of The Crystals(even if it is a anime sequel)

FF XII recordsEdit

FFXII holds a couple records in the 2009 Gamer's edition of the Guiness Book of World records. Shall I put them in? Or would they go better in the trivia part of its article? Also, XII>VII! -Azul81677 19:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Both locations would be good though.  ILHI 19:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

More Did you knowEdit

How about...

  • ...that Horne was the first moogle to wear glasses.
  • ...that Montblanc was the first moogle to appear with hair on his head instead of fur?

Just thinking. Kuzlalala Squee! 08:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Mog as a crane grabs him by the hair, Final Fantasy VI
So the honour goes to the human-loving, fast-talking, SLAM-dancing moogle. Faethinverba volant 05:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh... that's more like fur than hair. But the Horne one is accepted right? Kuzlalala Squee! 08:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

FF 11 Edit

"'Final Fantasy XI was the first RPG to prompt a change in state law". Which change is that, exactly? This intrigues me. Drake Clawfang 19:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Use Google?  ILHI 19:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. Thank you. Drake Clawfang 19:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

"Did you know that Galka are genderless?" Would make a nice one. Yrusama (talk) 07:16, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Time TravelEdit

Final Fantasy VIII was the first game since the original to involve time travel.
Didn't FFI had time travel first? or am I wrong again? JudgeMasterKefka 14:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

"was the first game since the original" equals "was the first game since FFI".  ILHI 15:03, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
No I mean that it says VIII had time travel first but the original already had it first. does garland---to the past--->chaos make you remember something? JudgeMasterKefka 10:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
READ IT AGAIN. "FFVIII was the first game SINCE the original to include time travel". If you don't know what the definition of "SINCE" is then get me my rope and I'll end this nonsense right here.  ILHI 15:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

While I absolutely adore reading through this wiki, I can't help but to see the absurd ammount of annoying, brutish, troll-like people that are ruining some things...

About the pandemonium warden...Edit

Cecil Paladance

Princess Kidnappings Edit

Throughout the entire main series four princesses have been kidnapped (I, II, IX, and XII). Of those four princesses that were kidnapped, two were kidnapped willingly (IX and XII). So what do you think?


"bartz klauser was the first to curse in the series"? i distinctly remember kain calling the dragon "bastard" in the PS1/anthology version of ff4. i know that's an outdated version of the script compared to say the DS version, but it certainly predated any official localization of ff5. here's a source and the exact dialog


Kain: Who are you!?


Kain: Confident bastard, aren't you?"

Bastard is just an insult. Shit is direct cursing. - Henryacores^ 16:17, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

When we say Bartz was the first to curse, I'll assume we refer to the Japanese version, right? Drake Clawfang 16:24, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
I think we should just remove it. Because what a curse is and isn't (no one uses the word "curse" over here) varies from place to place, and even person to person. Plus IV is early in the series and it's not that interesting if it's early in the series.  ILHI 20:14, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I thought it would be Cid from FFII JP NES, since he says "That piece of shit? My airship is much better." when you tell him the Dreadnought keyword. But feel free to disagree or remove this one. Pingurules (talk) 14:12, May 13, 2016 (UTC)Pingurules


Where has it ever been said that XI was planned to be a PS1 release? XI was always slated to be an MMO, and the PS1 was a little more than ill suited to run an MMO, even of EQ1 caliber, I've googled and checked XI's page for trivia before saying anything, but I can't find anything, so if anyone has a source... 06:57, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


It would be a pretty good one to point out that Bahamut has been present in some form or another in every main Final Fantasy game except for FFII. Sky Fortress Bahamut in FFXII is arguable, but that's what the "some form or another" part is for. Nokareon

Cecil ISN'T the first paladin Edit

In the NES version of FFIII, Magic Knights can use white magic and melee attacks with equal effieciency; those are the traits of a paladin. Thus, before anyone replies, I'm editing that in. MadHatter1284 04:09, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Who's the first character referred to as a Paladin? Interpretation is good, but written facts take precedent. Faethinte audio 04:48, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

X-Death killed a main character first? I think this is still debatable. Edit

Didn't The Emperor in Final Fantasy II kill Ricard first? --MadHatter1284 20:49, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Borghen kinda killed Josef first. Faethinte audio 20:52, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Both good points. I forgot FF2 has one of the largest body counts in the series. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Do we count Ricard or Josef and main characters though? Faethinte audio 21:02, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Well, that's tricky. FF2 is kinda like FF4, you always change around party members. I would say they count, yeah, especially in SoR. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:04, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, this issue got brought up again by that last edit... Two points on both sides of the coin, 1) Josef and Ricard really aren't main characters, they're supporting characters... by our own classification: 2) Borghen may have "caused" Josef's death, but Josef still chose to sacrifice himself. In the same way, the conflict with Golbez "caused" Tellah's death, although Tellah chose to sacrifice himself as well. However then the question would have to be asked whether what kind of character Tellah is considered. This whole argument could be settled by taking the word "main" out... Nokareon

Well when I undid that edit I didn't recognize the name 'Borghem' and since it was spelled incorrectly I couldnt find a page for it. Anyway, I belive if you take the word 'Main' out then it's not really trivia as alot of ordinary characters are killed by villians. Brago-77 01:05, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

He'd still be the first... Hmm, I put "playable" in and changed it to the other way around (saying Josef was the first to die rather than Borghen killed him) in an attempt to clear up the confusion about main/supporting characters and whether a self-sacrifice counts as a death. Nokareon

A few mistakes and suggestionsEdit

What about FF4's final party? Cecil, Edge, Rosa, and Rydia.
  • Final Fantasy II is the only main Final Fantasy game which doesn't use any kind of levels to govern stat growths?
Would this now include FF10 and FF13?
Maybe change this to the classic active time battle system, since FF12 and 13 have new versions of it.
I don't claim to know anything about FFXI, but it seems like the Masamune page lists an appearance in said game.

And how about these for new facts?

...Final Fantasy XII was the first game in the main series to have no form of inn?

...chronologically, Final Fantasy XII is the earliest game to take place in Ivalice?

...Final Fantasy VII was the first game in the main series that didn't include any forms of royal hierarchy?

...Save Points weren't introduced until Final Fantasy IV?

...although many games involve traveling to other worlds, Final Fantasy IV is the only game in which the travel is done entirely by ship?

JohnnyC 06:00, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

  • First: And Kain.
  • Second: Well... X doesn't count apparently. I don't know how XIII works but I believe it's similar to Sphere Grid.
  • Third: True
  • Fourth: w:c:ffxiclopedia:Masamune - yup

Also, all suggestions are good, 2, 3 and 4 I definitely agree with adding for their interest factor. 12:36, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

X has Sphere Levels, which on the basis of the name alone would obviously come under "any kind of levels", but it is debatable to what extent the Sphere Levels contribute directly to growth – they're very much a means to an end, growth in potentia, rather than an actual growth system like experience levels are. In this case, I think the issue lies in the ambiguity of the rather imprecise phrase "any kind".
As for XIII, Crystarium Stages do sort of control growth, because they cap character development until the next stage is unlocked. Whether the stages count as "levels" is another question, and it is indeed like the Sphere Grid insofar as it's more growth in potentia than direct growth. The actual "levels" (by name) in XIII, Role Levels, have almost nothing to do with character growth, as it's essentially just another stat unlocked in the Crystarium which just improves the potency of the Roles, e.g. a high Saboteur Role Level increases the odds of inflicting debuffs -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 13:24, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Riiight, forgot about Kain. Somehow. xD JohnnyC 01:31, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

It says "...that only the original Final Fantasy has all of the playable characters in your party at the beginning of the game". Doesn't Final Fantasy X-2 count? FF9 17:22, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have the full party at the start of X-2. Prior to the fight with LeBlanc, you only have Rikku and Paine. --Leon95 17:34, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
original famicom version of ff3 starts with all members ala ff1184.105.135.37 18:01, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
My bad, haven't played X-2 in a while, thanksFF9 11:31, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Excalibur Edit

I just saw "...Excalibur appears in every main Final Fantasy title and numerous spin-offs?". This is not true at all. XIII does not have Excalibur. Shadowlurker 22:17, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!! 22:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Statement that Excalibur appears in every main series title would be truth, if Jihl Nabaat from Final Fantasy XIII would have her sabre called Excalibur which for me seems would suit her. But this is not comfirmed to this day so the statement should be altered a little.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 18:19, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Gilgamesh Edit

How is Gilgamesh the most recurring character in FF? both Cid and the chocobo have clearly made more appearances.

Cid and Chocobo are not recurring characters, the Cids are all different, and Chocobo, honestly that's plain stupid. DoreikuKuroofangu 01:53, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

First guy has a point. its kinda obvious that Gilgamesh mostly looks the same, but that doesn't make him more recurring. Recurring simply means to occur again, different Cids doesn't make Cid less of a recurrance, even if they look different. (Only 3 Gilgamesh's as characters look nearly identical: 5, 8, 12). Also considering how most summons do actually pass off 1-liners across the series, they would technically be eligible as 'characters' too. The Gilgamesh thing stretches it a little. --Spira 07:36, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Gilgamesh is implied, and widely agreed, to be the same character in most if not all of his appearances; for example, in VIII it's very much implied that he's come from V. His VIII alt in D012 lends credence to them being one and the same. Summons, by contrast, are not necessarily the same characters, as their mythologies differ wildly with the game background and summon mechanisms. As for claiming Cid to be a recurrence, that's like saying that all people called James, in the whole world, are the same person. It's quite clearly ridiculous -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:26, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

honestly, i think its a very weak argument to make. He's really only mostly the same (as FF5) in VIII and XII. But theres so much you can infer from like 2 lines of dialogue only in FFVIII and in XII he does fit the bill. Interdimentional traveler and all. But I'm going out on a limb to say that he ISN'T the same in IX or XI and people shouldn't think he is. I find it ridiculous when in his XI article there was some rubbish about him world-hopping and being able to morph. It's as if people believe only what they choose to.

anyways, Cid as an airship person alone already supercedes gilgy on number of occurances. Only diff being they all have fleshed out personalities. With gilgy, its more of lack of information that a given that he is the same. --Spira 17:45, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

You've obviously missed the references to Bartz in every game he's been in except Final Fantasy XI. To clarify, that's... FFI, FF4 TAY, maybe FFVI, unsure on that one; FFVIII, and I think FFXII, not sure on that one either. Jimcloud 17:46, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, then, everyone in the world whose name is James is the same person -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:49, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT, almost forgot this one, but his description in Dissidia 012 confirms it is the same Gilgamesh that travels between worlds, from what I've heard, anyways. I'll be able to confirm that in an hour or three when I unlock him. Jimcloud 17:51, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
meh. even so, doesnt make the Gilgy Did You Know any less iffy. only an official mention at this point would make it less dubious. I look forward to seeing that description.--Spira 17:57, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Well, drat it all. You don't get the description upon unlocking him, it appears. I need to go a bit further, apparently. >_> Jimcloud 16:46, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Here goes all argument!


The weapon collecting, dimension hopping, self-proclaimed "legendary swordsman". Although possessing the body of a fiend, he holds a strong sense of loyalty and compassion.

Even Gilgamesh himself does not know whether he was summoned to this realm as a warrior of Chaos or just ended up in this realm after getting lost within the Rift. Regardless, he explores this world as he pleases, unconcerned with the battle of the gods.

He finally gets his chance to face his rival Bartz in a duel. Though the ideal he held and the reality that awaited differed, this mattered little to Gilgamesh.

At times barging in on a duel, while at other times stealing treasure as a thief, Gilgamesh seems to be in good health in any dimension he travels to.

That enough to convince you? Jimcloud 01:53, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

VII or X Edit

We could include that either FFVII or FFX was the first game to include button presses for limit's . Could some one tell me if it should be FF7 because Tifa's and Cait Sith's require button pressing in their limit breaks, Tifa's is to land on 'Yeah' , 'Hit' or 'Miss' and Cait Sith's because it's Slots. Or is it FF10 because every character except Yuna, Kimahri and Rikku involve button presses in their Overdrives. So what is it 7 or 10? --FF9 16:05, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Neither, actually. FF6 required button combo inputs in a limited period for Sabin's Blitz. ;) Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 16:17, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Edit: Although I guess that's not really his Limit... But for that matter, FF8 required button presses for Squall's Renzokuken and Zell's button inputs for his stuff. So I guess FF7? >>; Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 16:20, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Well, limit breaks were invented in VI, and happened at random, so it's certainly no earlier than VII... but that does then raise the point that VII was the first to have controllable limits at all, which might well render the proposed fact redundant -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 16:29, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

I've never played VI and I forget about VIII using button presses. And thanks for helping me out.FF9 08:26, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sequels Edit

Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy IX are the only main series games (that have been released) that have not had a remake or a sequel. AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 02:21, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

FFVI has no sequel, and no remakes, only ports. NowIt'sTimeToDie 11:15 14/10/11 (UTC)

Going through the whole thing Edit

I'm planning on going through the whole page and make changes such as:

  • clarifying ambiguous points
  • deleting nonsensical points
  • altering/deleting points that sound something like "Did you know that Palom is a Black Mage????" (OK I'm exaggerating but still...)

capefeather 14:32, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

What I don't like is some of the uninteresting facts like FFII having the first battle you're meant to lose. It was the second game in the series. This piece of information just tells me that no battles you are meant to lose appeared in the first game. Which doesn't say much because it's not like every game has one, perhaps not even most. 16:41, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't want to be too drastic with my edits, so I left some of the stuff like that in (actually I hardly "deleted" anything). Some of them were outright false, which was disconcerting... I was also unsure about points that may change as time passes. For example, one of the points said that FF is the sixth best-selling video game franchise, but now it's the eighth, and it could easily go lower (or higher, even...). On one hand, it could be construed as interesting, but on the other hand, maintaining the truth of it may be too much of a hassle. capefeather 17:38, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

X-2 is main series?Edit

I have no idea about the Ultimania comment, but whenever the Ultimania is mentioned shit. gets. real.

How does the Ultimania say this? And does the wiki want to consider X-2 a main series game? 10:45, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

According to the 20th Anniversary Ultimania, Square includes X-2 as main series, but not Revenant Wings. NowIt'sTimeToDie 10:57 1/10/11 (UTC)
Elaborate pls. For example, how do you know it says that? Do you have a link? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:13, October 1, 2011 (UTC) <- Here. NowIt'sTimeToDie 0:53 2/10/11 (UTC)
Hm, all I can tell from that is that the Ultimania has info on X-2. That doesn't mean it's necessarily main series. I think we'd need something a lot more concrete than it appearing in a list of games that the Ultimania covers -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 13:03, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
tl;dr, and I'm a bit late to the conversation, but I think SE considers X-2 as a main series title because it was made for the largest scale platform at their disposal at the time (PS2), whereas Revenant Wings was on the DS. Apart from the name, this is why it's hard to consider FFDimensions as a main series title, even though it's on par with a main series game like FFV and is a standalone title. You might say that main series titles are blockbuster games that use the most of the company's resources. Under that description, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns can be considered main series.Yrusama (talk) 09:01, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think one needs to use one's noggin in times like this. FFX-2 is a sequel to FFX. While it is probably the most direct sequel to a main series Final Fantasy game that's out at the moment, it doesn't mean it should count as a main series game, whatever the Ultimania says. Besides, it will mess up the main series lists we have on the wiki - FFX-2 would stick out like a sore thumb if was moved to the main series list on the wiki's main page. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:36, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

thought it would be pretty straight-forward. FFX-2 is part of the main series universe but isn't a main series title. The only main series titles are those that start with Final Fantasy and end with roman numerals only. In other words, only FF1-14 thus far are main series games. Spin-offs and sequels are definitely not. Therefore X-2 is not, XI and XIV is.. and so on. Dissidia is quite a strong affirmation of this point as well. With regards to this main series thing, can someone please remove that rubbish DYK about the exactly 3 female main characters since VI BS? because it isn't true if you factor in VII, XI and XIV, for which we must.--Spira 14:37, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
VII has three. XI and XIV don't have a playable cast, so they are obviously excluded. If you don't think they are "obviously excluded", then add a note. But if you disregard them (where it could not possibly be true) then it is true (AFAIK). 14:52, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
Made a note. Fact is, the DYK says "since Final Fantasy IV, each main series game has had exactly three main female party members".
Firstly, this isn't true for VII. VII only has 2 because you can entirely miss out on Yuffie - she was not a main party member in FFVII, she was a secret one. In the case of XI and XIV - both are main series games, qualifying for the first part of the statement - they still employ party systems - except that the only main party member is yourself - the party member concept is still fulfilled. The statement fails to hold true for XI and XIV.--Spira 15:15, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
I would say that "main" is presumably intended to be as opposed to "guest". I've now changed it to "fully playable" (since Aeris arguably messes up "permanent"), but I daresay there will probably still be some better way to state it. Either way, while the phrasing is proving awkward, the point being made is clearly correct. As for the MMOs, that's easily dealt with, and I have done so -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 18:20, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
The problem with that is that even if its "fully playable", the statement is not true. If Aeris qualifies as being part of that 3 fully playable characters even though she leaves the game by the end of disc 1, then the same is also true for Edea in VIII because as far as being 'fully playable' was concerned, she definitely was. She may have joined and left (which is the same for Aeris), but Edea was also no different than any other party member, which would mean VIII had 4 fully playable female characters. Therefore, this piece of trivia doesn't hold water to begin with. --Spira 13:44, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
Edea and Aeris are not the same situation. Aeris is, to all intents and purposes, a permanent party member. There is a difference between "leaving the party willingly" and "being killed and thus forcibly removed". Furthermore, Edea is clearly a guest party member, because she's only in the party for a short segment. Aeris is a party member for almost the whole first disc. They aren't remotely comparable.
In fact, come to think of it, "fully playable" actually has considerably more meaning than you might be seeing in it. Edea is controllable in battle, yes, but you can't change her weapons, and she has a limited... errr, limit break. She, like all of the game's other four guest characters, is not subject to the full potential of the permanent party members – that's pretty much entirely what sets guest characters apart. Aeris, by contrast, is a full party member; for starters, she has diverse weapons and limit breaks. In other words, Edea and Aeris are not actually problematic.
At any rate, as I said before, it may be a bloody nuisance to describe it, but the actual point that is proving so difficult to communicate in clear yet precise way is, in itself, entirely accurate and valid -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:27, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
Disagree. That is clearly nitpicking to suit the statement at hand. The plot device that removes the characters in question doesn't matter - and do note that Aeris didn't die when she left the party. She left on her own accord as well. Fact of the matter is both Aeris and Edea are NOT permanent characters in the party from a developers point of view. You only believe that Aeris is because you probably feel she should/would have been - but player judgment is not the deciding element in this. DYK statements are probably supposed to be NPOV. I will not debate on what counts as suitable duration in the party either, because that is clearly subjective. However, Edea is just as fully playable as the other characters. Within the FF8 battle framework, she happens to have everything a normal party member would have short of a weapon because she doesn't use one -and also because the devs probably thought it was pointless because she would be a temporary character, but that still doesn't mean she can't be fully playable. She is also available to the central aspect of the gameplay system - Junctioning, which makes her no different than any other character.
In other words, both Aeris and Edea are equally fully playable - if you want to discount Edea on the account of her impermanence, then you have to do the same for Aeris, because neither of them are.
Let me illustrate a little more. In FF7: pemanent and fully playable girls = Tifa. fully playable but not permanent = Aeris. Yuffie is optionally permanent but fully playable. In FF8, all temporary characters are fully playable because you play using them just as you could with your permanent members.--Spira 05:14, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
It's not nitpicking. It's being precise, which is exactly the issue at hand. All indications are that Aeris intended to rejoin the party later, so she didn't actually "leave" the party of her own accord any more than the Missile Base team do in VIII. As for Edea, she does not have "everything a normal party member would have short of a weapon". For one thing, she does have a weapon. For another, the thing that sets all of the guests apart in VIII is that they have a totally fixed limit break that always does the same thing whenever it's used, unlike the permanent characters' multiple techniques, finishers, et cetera. This is always what sets guests apart: the lack of full capability. Guests in VI have fixed setups. Guests in VIII have a sole weapon and minimal limit breaks. Guests in IX don't have Trance gauges... and party members are either guests or fully playable. Aeris clearly is not a guest, so she is fully playable -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 12:16, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
Leaving of their own accords plays no part in this. I don't see why it should. 12:43, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
Well, it shouldn't, really. The thing is, as long as Spira continues to argue that Aeris's departure is comparable to Edea's, it's not going to go away, as it's the main difference between the two leaving -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 12:57, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
no, my point is that the style of departure / intent of the character isn't relevant. We're talking about technical definitions of party members, not a literature character study. Besides, Aeris doesn't have a clue if she's a main party member, or probably even the concept of it. I'm fine with accepting Aeris as fully playable because she is. The statement used to be wrong because it used to state 'female main character', of which VII would be an exception because Yuffie wasn't. But now that the statement is 'fully playable', it is wrong due to VIII falling into exception because Edea is just as playable as the other 3 females, which makes the total 4.
With reference to FFVIII, what you're highlighting is merely the fact that they're temporary characters. But being temporarily available (duration) throughout the game and being fully playable (function) are not necessarily mutually exclusive. And in FFVIII it isn't, because all guest characters are just as fully playable as permanent ones. Functionally, anything you can do in battle with Squall, you can do with Laguna - Laguna incidentally falls in the same category as Edea because they are technically the same type of party member. Being able to only equip one weapon, or only having a non-interactive limit break are inconsequential towards determining full-playability. Thats about as good as saying that Quistis or Zell are less playable than Squall because they have less weapons they can upgrade to. Or, saying that Zell is less playable than Selphie because his limit breaks can only damage and not heal. It isn't a relevant qualifier of playability.
In other words, the only thing that truly sets guests apart from permanents in FFVIII is the fact that guests do not stay in the party - they are all fully playable. Therefore, VIII has a total of 4 fully playable female characters and this would prove the statement wrong.--Spira 13:46, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
just going to start a new thread line.
tl;dr of what i said above. If duration of stay is a qualifier for being fully playable (and none of us are saying it is), then both Edea and Aeris fail because neither make it to the final party set up. If function is a qualifier, then both of them pass, because they both play like any other character.
Important point to make. "Guest party member = not fully playable" is a misconception as far as function is concerned. It can be, but isn't always true. It is not true for VIII for sure because you have full control over the battle functions of all guest characters - hell, at many points in the game you only control guest characters.
Thus, the only way you can technically pass the "Since FFIV..." statement with it actually being factual would be if you phrased it to be 'fully playable non-guest characters', which is absurd because you'd simply be creating a statement out of specific exceptions, which defeats the purpose of a DYK statement. --Spira 14:05, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
This statement is obviously too subjective and thus isn't good for a "Did You Know?". If this was a tried and true fact of the series this wouldn't be something people could really argue about. I'd say delete it. ScatheMote 14:11, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
"Besides, Aeris doesn't have a clue if she's a main party member, or probably even the concept of it." I didn't say she does. That would just be stupid. What I did mean is that, in universe, she was not aware that she would die, which implies that she intended to rejoin the party. Don't confuse in-universe context, where characters have intentions, with out-of-universe context, where they just do what the script tells them to. It's an important distinction.
Anyway, the thing is, we've all been missing what is, as far as I can tell, a really simple resolution. How about we just say "non-guest" party members? Considering that I made the point of "main" being as opposed to "guest", I'm rather kicking myself for not thinking of this sooner. At any rate, the important thing is that "non-guest" (preferably with a link on guest) raises no problems with Aeris, Yuffie or Edea, so it should be fine -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 14:28, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
yeah. just non-guest works. this would include Aerith and Yuffie and exclude Edea just fine without going thru the whole fully playable debate
edit: then again, non-guest would screw with FFIV because Porom counts within the exactly 3, and she is a guest character. Maybe we should just delete this DYK. --Spira 14:38, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
FFIV is problematic since in newer versions (but not the DS version) you can re-recruit Porom. This conflicts between different FFIV versions, so I say skip it and start counting at FFV. Catuse167 17:01, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
Hm, well, we generally deal with the latest release when there is a contradiction. In that case, if Porom counts as a guest because she is to begin with, then so does "Amalia". Likewise, she shouldn't be discounted due to being an optional re-recruit, because then she falls into the same category as Terra and Relm, and also not that different from Yuffie. I think we can agree that it would be stupid to consider Ashe, Terra, Relm or Yuffie as guests, ne?
Of course, one could argue that since the fact is about the games "from IV onwards", it is implicitly referring to the original release. In that case, the most sensible solution is indeed just to change it to FFV -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:14, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
But you guys consider Cara as a permenant member? She joins like very lately in the game. NowIt'sTimeToDie 13:27 28/10/11 (UTC)
...who? Anyway, if she joins and does not leave, she's a permanent party member -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:13, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
Cara is an mistranslation of Krile. And we don't mean permanent, we mean non-guest. Krile/Cara is a fully functional party member, like Aerith and unlike Edea, so she counts. Shadow Catuse the Great... 23:51, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Bio's 3 tiers. Edit

Final Fantasy VII is not the only title with three tiers of the Bio spell, as Final Fantasy XI also contains exactly three: Bio, Bio II, and Bio III. --BWYuko 03:11, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

So does Tactics. But do XI and Tactics count?C A T U S E03:25, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
XI is main series, online or no, so why wouldn't it? Griever-Renzokuken 07:43, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Today I saw that "...Final Fantasy VII is the only main series Final Fantasy game to contain three tiers of the spell Bio?" has re-entered the pool of Did-You-Know facts. It is still as wrong as it was in January. BWYuko 02:59, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Meaning either we forgot to move the DYK or somebody re-added it. But it's gone now.C A T U S E 03:02, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

DYK Archive? Edit

I was wondering if you could add Did You Know Archive like it's on Wookipedia: ? It would be cool if we could read all the past FF facts :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monia.lempinska (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

It's completely randomized which fact comes up, rather than a new fact every week or whatever. So to read the past facts, you either refresh the home page until you get a new one, or view the source of the DYK template. C A T U S E 17:07, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Final Boss SummonsEdit

As far as I know, Alexander and Bahamut are the only summon monsters that have been fought as final bosses, and planned to add that to the template, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

Is this information correct? DiamondEdge 01:26, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

So I added:Leaf spells, Sephiroth Materia wearing, and Ark infoEdit

Please judge. Mask no Oni 02:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say Ark's is a bit too specific (IE: "if we ignore XI and the Ivalice Alliance, this is true"), but that's just my opnion, of course ^^ DiamondEdge 02:42, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
I agree: they all sound good except for Ark. C A T U S E 02:43, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sweet~ Take all but the Ark fact for the fact board. Thanks guys :3 Mask no Oni 04:25, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Do Geomancer spells not count? Eurell 12:54, May 18, 2012 (UTC)Eurell

Sephiroth wears materia? Source? All I know of are the beads on his costume, and the page on the wiki makes no mention of any materia outside of his attacks. 15:44, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

No input on the Sephiroth/Dissidia/materia thing still? 03:39, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Discrepancy Edit

One of the things listed here says that the first appearance of Cait Sith was FF4, yet it appeared in FF2, however it may have been translated as something else before. Can someone confirm this?

Cait Sith was added in the GBA version of FFII with the Soul of Rebirth thing, placing it after FFIV. Jimcloud 23:48, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Level 5 Death Edit

The blue magic spell Level 5 Death definitely does not cost 22 MP to cast in every game it appears. In Final Fantasy IX it only costs 20 MP, for example. In Final Fantasy Tactics: Advance it costs 24 MP. BWYuko 00:19, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Removed.C A T U S E 01:15, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

That there is a glitch in Final Fantasy VII that causes Tifa to "dance"?

That the voice actor for Rin Tom Kenny does many other roles such as Spongebob Squarepants?

Darill, Setzer Gabbiani's girlfriend and pilot of the Falcon, may have been inspired in real-life pilot Amelia Earhart, a female pilot who set piloting-records in her time and misteriously disappeared in an attempt to make a circumnavigational flight of the globe in 1937.

Every lead character of the Final Fantasy series is an orphan or at some point in the game becomes one. Kamukamo (talk) 12:08, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

  • I- Can't remember.
  • II- Yep.
  • III- Yep.
  • IV- Yep.
  • V- Yep.
  • VI- Yep, if you count Maduin being alive but then turning to Magicite.
  • VII- Yep.
  • VIII- Yep.
  • IX- I suppose so, yeah; Baku isn't actually Zidane's father.
  • X- Tidus doesn't become an orphan right till the very end, if you count Sin itself still being his father.
  • XII- Yep.
  • XIII- Yep.

I guess this is fine; X needs debating, but we'll see what others think. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 12:27, September 14, 2012 (UTC) 20:27, September 25, 2012 (UTC) Final Fantasy VIII was the first game not to have royalty?

I guess so, but I feel like I'm forgetting somebody. C A T U S E 01:55, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

did you know that Rinoa is the character that must be rescued the major number of times in the whole final fantasy series?

Aside from Fusoya (whose age is never given) and the Oerba girls (who were frozen in crystal stasis for 500 years and appear in their 20s), the oldest player character in the series is Quina Quen, aged 89? BWYuko (talk) 09:00, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

How about Vaan is the first leading protagonist in the main series whom the player cannot name for themselves? Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 05:38, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Vaan isn't mentioned on this page at all. Go for it. C A T U S E 05:41, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VI has the largest number of guest characters in entire main series?

Yes. Assuming the Ten Moogles count of course. C A T U S E 01:12, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Move to projectspaceEdit

I just made {{Fact}} so we can have all the facts visible at a time. And you know longer have to go into the edit form to see all facts, this can be used as our full list of interesting facts.

In short, move to Project:Did You Know?. JBed (talk) 15:36, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Bump. JBed (talk) 23:38, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
Yes. - Henryacores^ 23:45, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sephiroth as a party member and boss battle Edit

So, I'd like to suggest that Sephiroth is the first character in the series to be a (temporary) playable character and a final boss in the same game. Kefka, Exdeath, Golbez nor Zeromus, Xande nor Cloud of Darkness, The Emperor nor Garland fit this description.

Dissidia is a fighting game, not quite the same thing. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:36, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
He's talking about the Nibelheim flashback, not Dissidia. Although Sephy isn't exactly playable in that scene, as he's uncontrollable. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:50, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I misread as saying that the point was here and be removed.
Yeah, as SCM said. Also not all that important a distinction to make. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:01, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
Several of the facts on the list aren't really worth much distinction. I wouldn't think such a thing would be a factor. Though temporary party member would fit better. 03:35, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

In the title screen FMV of Final Fantasy IX, Lindblum is misspelt on the map as Lindbulm? 15:45, February 14, 2013 (UTC) Alan

And in the other times the map is seen in the game, and also in the IX Ultimania. I have a suspicion that in Japan the English name for Lindlum is "Lindbulm". 16:43, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XV Edit

May I suggest the trivia that Final Fantasy XV has had the longest development period of any game in the franchise. Seven years and counting. --Crystal Tear (talk) 14:19, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rareness of magic use in FF VI and FF XIII Edit

did you know that final fantasy 6 and final fantasy 13 were the only main series games where using magic was not a common everyday occurrence? (better explanation: the only games where being able to use magic was a plot point?) I am bad at explanations, can someone help me say this in a better way that makes since? Terderrer (talk) 16:07, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

"Did you know that Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy XIII are the only games in the main series where magic is a rarity tied into the plot instead of being an element of everyday life?" How does that sound? Also, you might add Final Fantasy XV, since magic in that world seems to be limited to a few royal families and ties directly into the "conflict over the last Crystal" plotline. --Crystal Tear (talk) 16:41, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

that sounds perfect. thank you now I have 2 more questions.

1. Can I add this to the list now?

2. where did you get that info from? I never heard about that until you told me. Terderrer (talk) 17:13, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

You're a registered user on Final Fantasy Wiki, of course you can post it there, as long as you know where to post it. But if someone decides to remove it, don't get in a tizzy. I was warned about that before I put my first fact there. As to the XV angle, it's in most of the stuff that's been talked of about the game's story. There is only one crystal surviving in the world, held by the kingdom of Lucis, whose magically-imbued royal family protect it from all threat. All the other nations use technology, not magic, although there are hints that certain important figures hold magic too (probably more due to the "gift" of the Goddess Etro than with the crystals or natural aptitude). The Behemoths I've seen seem to be more linked to technology that magic, and as for the giant Leviathan summon, it's likely one of those chosen few using their power. There. Does that help? --Crystal Tear (talk) 18:15, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

that helps alot, I was just worried because i thought that facts on the "did you know" page were only facts about games that were already released or facts that were unrelated to the story line (like how you mentioned that it had the longest production time). However it has been mentioned alot that this game is more realistic with fantasy added in so I could put it in there. now the only thing to figure out is what section of the "did you know" page to put this on. Terderrer (talk) 18:43, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

FFVI and FFXIII trivia is legible. Please wait for FFXV's release so we can confirm your suspicions as the game is still in development and there are more questions than answers surrounding this game.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:48, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Why include a false fact? Edit

...Final Fantasy XII has the largest collection of items to acquire, which includes key items, items, weapons, armors, accessories, and loot?

I think XI has more items to acquire, therefore I declare this fact a FALLACY! Jblancosegura (talk) 17:16, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Don't tell us we've included false facts until you can prove XI has more items. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 20:11, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
FFXI, as of September 12th 2013, has over 11,000 items to acquire. And they will keep adding more... Just try browsing the item pages on the ffxi wiki... (and I'm not even counting key items). I will work on getting the exact number (and more up to date than the wiki). How many items does FF12 have? I seriously doubt it even gets close to that number. Jblancosegura (talk) 19:59, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
As someone who's played both games in question, I tend to agree with Jblancosegura here. While I couldn't tell you exactly how many items appear in either game off the top of my head, the amount of stuff in FFXI is literally quite staggering. In fact, one of the biggest issues facing players of FFXI today is simply managing their inventory space. Many players opt to create additional characters (and pay a monthly fee for them) just so they have somewhere to put their stuff.
Take a look at BG's Category:Dagger, for example. After removing the Weapon Skills from the list, it leaves us with 324 daggers in FFXI (and that's assuming their list is complete). To compare: If I'm counting the weapons in our article correctly, FFXII has ~186 weapons total in the game, 13 of which are daggers. Or look at something like Category:Food with 507 entries, an item class that doesn't even exist in FFXII. I suppose this is all just a way of saying that, even though I don't have exact item counts for either game, it's quite apparent to me that FFXI has more stuff in it. —JustAnotherJosh talk 22:56, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
According to my own personal FFXII item database, there are 1085 items in FFXII. This includes all weapons and ammunition, all armor and accessories, all loot, all consumable items, all key items, all gambits, and all magick spells and technicks (which since you have to buy, I included). I don't have the IZJS game, but from what I've researched on it, there are a couple dozen new items of various types added. Comparing this to other FF's, Dissidia 012 still beats it by a hefty margin with 1367 items (weapons &armor, basic/booster/special/trade accessories, summonstones, in-dungeon skills and items, and etc items like Level Up). Also, checking my lists, FFX also has more than FFXII, with 1189 items. Espritduo (talk) 23:59, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
Is it safe to remove it now? I think it's very clear that the fact is false. Jblancosegura (talk) 06:06, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Every console has had at least 3 final fantasys.

No, I don't think Sega's consoles, the 3DO, and many others had 3 FFs. Monterossa (talk) 22:23, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

FF7 on SNES Edit

So VI was planned for N64, and VII for SNES? And could we source those said "facts"? jeandeve @deviantArt (talk) 15:24, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think FFVI was ever planned for N64, but you can read of FFVII development from the Final Fantasy VII#Development and it should have sources (and I believe we actually have a screenshot of the FFVII SNES version up there).Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:01, October 10, 2013 (UTC)EDIT:Hmm nope the FFVII thing doesn't have a source either and the oldest prototype version still appears to be for PS (though in sprite style reminiscent of older games). It's too bad they haven't been sourced because I think it is actually correct, because it wasn't Square's immediate plan to jump ship from Nintendo to Sony.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:05, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
FFVI was clearly not planned for SNES. Think the SNES could handle the Interactive CG game? I don't think so...
I just found out about the development screen shot, I never saw it before...! Sorry for the disturbance. fruitketchup (talk) 15:01, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
The interactive CG game was just a technical demo, in vein of Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo and Final Fantasy VIII Tech Demo; it just uses familiar characters, otherwise it has nothing to do with making of FFVI.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:51, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
I don't see how it has nothing to do with the development, but whatever. fruitketchup (talk) 16:41, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
Because it was most likely made after FFVI was already finished. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 21:13, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
Point still stands, they plan a CG game then a SNES game? Weird transition... anyways, the FFVII screenshots pretty much cleared my biggest doubt... sorry again. fruitketchup (talk) 03:00, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
They have multiple ideas going on simultaneously. While making FFVI they are already thinking what they will be doing after that, and the initial plan was to immediately start making FFVII after FFVI is over, and the very original idea was that it will be another SNES game. The venture to 3D platforms was a whole separate idea thrown around at the same time. They made the CG demo to test how these 3D environments would work, and were so impressed with the results they decided to make FFVII a 3D game in that vein, instead of making it into another SNES game. They looked at N64 and PS platforms and went with PS so that they could have FMVs, plus manufacturing CDs is cheaper than manufacturing cartridge.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:34, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions from THE ONI OF THE MASK~~ Edit

  • Final Fantasy VII was originally going to have a realistic setting, taking place in real life New York City?
  • Eden (Summon) is actually a female Summon, and one of the few female Ultimate Summons of the series?
  • The Mana Series was born from Final Fantasy Adventure, which in Japan was the first installment of Seiken Densetsu?
  • Phoenix Downs work as offerings to the mythical Phoenix itself to return recently departed souls, with beauty and aesthetics as a crucial factor?
  • The Onion Knight draws its inspiration from tales of common children not liking vegetables, and overcoming this weakness, as a mark of heroes?
  • The World of Ivalice spans beyond the scope of Final Fantasy XII, including such influential spinoff series such as Tactics and Vagrant Story?
  • Dirge of Cerberus is one of the only games in the series to represent the Omega Weapon in a story role outside of Superboss?
  • Chiriji Raden Kazari Tsurugi is the true name of the Chirijiraden weapon?
  • The Japan only Super Famicom game Live-A-Live is an inspiration for Final Fantasy IV: The After Years?
  • The city of Edge in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII shares its name with the setting of another work of Square and Tetsuya Nomura, The Bouncer?

Mask no Oni (talk) 19:02, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

I think the New York City setting for FFVII is already mentioned there. Not sure GFs have genders because they don't reproduce sexually (or what do I know), but it seems to have some weird breast-things. The others seem good though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:18, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Keltainentoukokuu. Um.... should I put the facts in there myself or should I let the staff do it for me? Mask no Oni (talk) 17:45, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead, just do it the same as all the other ones there.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:47, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Villains surviving Edit

Caius Ballad is the only villain to survive in the game he debut'd in. --Kuja9001 (talk) 03:28, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Genesis from Crisis Core also.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 04:08, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
"villain" or "final boss"? Golbez is the main villain of FFIV but not the final boss, and he survived. Monterossa (talk) 19:04, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Cutscene length Edit

How about finding out which game in the series has the longest single CGI cutscene. I think, from what I've seen, that it's Lightning Returns. Its final cutscene, where Bhunivelze gets trounced and Lightning and co head off to their new world is a little over ten minutes long. Of course, I could be wrong. It does seem like the kind of trivia people might be interested in. --Crystal Tear (talk) 16:04, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Rosa, the only white mage who can equip bows Edit

there're many way to break this fact.

  • FFIV, Porom and this unnamed white mage can use bows.
  • FFV, white mage with an ability to equip bows from Ranger job.
  • FFT, same as FFV.
  • XIII-2, Serah with medic role and/or her white mage outfit.

Monterossa (talk) 19:29, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


  • Final Fantasy II is the first main Final Fantasy game which uses a "MP" magic system. However, Final Fantasy Game Boy Advance remake included this stat, instead of the "spell level"-based magic system?

Most Recurring WeaponEdit

  • The Flame Saber, also known as the Flame Tongue, is the most commonly appearing weapon in the main series games, found in every one except Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy XIII.
  • The Ice Sword, also known as the Icebrand, appears in the most Final Fantasy games overall - a total of 31 times.

CylindrusAltum 11:16, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think both are good. It's a bit short on equipment facts if anything.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:09, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XV development Edit

Final Fantasy XV is the second entry in the main series that started development as a spin off title? The first being Final Fantasy IX.

Sounds valid to me. :)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 08:57, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

"Esper" was the first alternate name used for summoned monsters?Edit

No, It's Eidolon. Monterossa (talk) 19:39, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

No, it's Esper. JBed (talk) 19:46, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
I know it's late, but to support JBed's words I'd like to say that while in Final Fantasy IV the word "Eidolon" is used as the name for summons, the word "Eidolon" is not added until like the GBA port of FFIV I think, and the first alternate for summons is presented in the SNES version of Final Fantasy VI where they are called "espers".—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:15, November 29, 2014 (UTC)


That in FFXIII, Each L'Cie has a partner in the medic role? Lightning and Fang learn the same abilities in medic, Vanille and Hope learn the same abilities in medic and Sazh and Snow learn the same medic abilities

Well I added it, the "magic" section seemed a little shorter than the others anyway.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:58, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Spoilers for FF2 Edit

Hey everyone. I want to bring up the fact the wiki states spoilers are enclosed in spoiler tags, but when I came down to the fact section, I saw a fact that spoiled FF2. It said: Josef was the first playable character to die in the series. Although FF2 is an older game and this is an interesting fact, spoilers are spoilers, and that it should either be enclosed in spoiler tags or removed completely. (Verdigris Heart (talk) 03:14, November 23, 2014 (UTC))

Honestly I vote removing all FFII DYK information. It tells us nothing other than the fact that the first game sucked lacked what II introduced. Facts like "x introduced y" tell us y didn't happen before x, but x is a single game. Saying "the original Final Fantasy lacked series staples such as Chocobos and temporary party members" makes way more sense.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 03:42, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Removed the spoiler. Sorry it was spoiled for you! You can always notify on the talk page if you see any others.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:40, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Vagrant Story Edit

Did you know that Vagrant Story is the only non-Final Fantasy title to be an official part of the Ivalice lore?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

If that is true (I never played Vagrant Story and my knowledge about Ivalice lore is very limited), I don't see why we shouldn't include that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:11, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Well I mean, is Crystal Defenders Final Fantasy? I've not played it, but does it ever say FF anywhere inside it? JBed (talk) 01:10, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Well, Vagrant Story does take place on the Valendia continent, which is part of the world in Ivalice, and Final Fantasy XII uses the Old Valendian Calendar. Also, Yasumi Matsuno, at one point director and executive producer of Final Fantasy XII before he stepped out due to health reasons, did say in an 2004 interview with the french magazine Joypad that both Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy Tactics are connected (, effectively retconning the relation between the two as canon. I don't now if Crystal Defenders is a part of Final Fantasy or not, but at leastt for Vagrant Story there are concrete proofs.

Kefka's PopularityEdit

"Did you know Kefka is the most popular villain of the Final Fantasy Series, tying only with Sephiroth?" A bit obvious but I think its a good one... The Joker (Surgeon Of Death) 13:40, December 9, 2014 (UTC)



Did you know Kefka's laugh is the only "voice" present in the audio files of Final Fantasy VI? The Joker (Surgeon Of Death) 13:42, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's a voice. I think it's just SFX or whatever it's called and it wasn't a recording a human voice.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:55, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah and if "simulated" voice counts there is singing in the opera...Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:19, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XV Edit

Did you know that Final Fantasy XV is the only title in the main series to feature an all-male playable cast? Even though it's not been released yet, the director pretty much confirmed this fact in an interview.

You could have an all-male cast in FFI...Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:15, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Though I agree with that, there was still the possibility for a female in the party (White Mage, and we never really know the gender of the Black Mage), something that Final Fantasy XV does not include.


Just a heads up to you guys, the "Revenant Wings has the most summons in the series" fact may need to go. Final Fantasy Legends: Toki no Suisho recently reached around 180+*I swear to god, I wish I was kidding! B/ summons. --Miphares (talk) 08:33, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think RW can compete with that.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:39, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XVEdit

Did you know that Lunafreya Nox Fleuret and Freya Crexcent have names relating to the Moon? "Luna" is Moon in Spanish and Italian, and "Crescent" refers to one of the lunar cycles.

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